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Electricity collected from the air could become the newest alternative energy source

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Powering homes with electricity collected from the air may be possible after scientists report solving a centuries old riddle about how moisture in the atmosphere becomes electrically charged.

Imagine devices that capture electricity from the air ― much like solar cells capture sunlight ― and using them to light a house or recharge an electric car. Imagine using similar panels on the rooftops of buildings to prevent lightning before it forms. Strange as it may sound, scientists already are in the early stages of developing such devices, according to a report presented today at the 240th National Meeting of the American Chemical Society (ACS).

"Our research could pave the way for turning electricity from the atmosphere into an alternative energy source for the future," said study leader Fernando Galembeck, Ph.D. His research may help explain a 200-year-old scientific riddle about how electricity is produced and discharged in the atmosphere. "Just as solar energy could free some households from paying electric bills, this promising new energy source could have a similar effect," he maintained.

"If we know how electricity builds up and spreads in the atmosphere, we can also prevent death and damage caused by lightning strikes," Galembeck said, noting that lightning causes thousands of deaths and injuries worldwide and millions of dollars in property damage.

The notion of harnessing the power of electricity formed naturally has tantalized scientists for centuries. They noticed that sparks of static electricity formed as steam escaped from boilers. Workers who touched the steam even got painful electrical shocks. Famed inventor Nikola Tesla, for example, was among those who dreamed of capturing and using electricity from the air. It's the electricity formed, for instance, when water vapor collects on microscopic particles of dust and other material in the air. But until now, scientists lacked adequate knowledge about the processes involved in formation and release of electricity from water in the atmosphere, Galembeck said. He is with the University of Campinas in Campinas, SP, Brazil.

Scientists once believed that water droplets in the atmosphere were electrically neutral, and remained so even after coming into contact with the electrical charges on dust particles and droplets of other liquids. But new evidence suggested that water in the atmosphere really does pick up an electrical charge.

Galembeck and colleagues confirmed that idea, using laboratory experiments that simulated water's contact with dust particles in the air. They used tiny particles of silica and aluminum phosphate, both common airborne substances, showing that silica became more negatively charged in the presence of high humidity and aluminum phosphate became more positively charged. High humidity means high levels of water vapor in the air ― the vapor that condenses and becomes visible as "fog" on windows of air-conditioned cars and buildings on steamy summer days.

"This was clear evidence that water in the atmosphere can accumulate electrical charges and transfer them to other materials it comes into contact with," Galembeck explained. "We are calling this 'hygroelectricity,' meaning 'humidity electricity'."

In the future, he added, it may be possible to develop collectors, similar to the solar cells that collect the sunlight to produce electricity, to capture hygroelectricity and route it to homes and businesses. Just as solar cells work best in sunny areas of the world, hygroelectrical panels would work more efficiently in areas with high humidity, such as the northeastern and southeastern United States and the humid tropics.

Galembeck said that a similar approach might help prevent lightning from forming and striking. He envisioned placing hygroelectrical panels on top of buildings in regions that experience frequent thunderstorms. The panels would drain electricity out of the air, and prevent the building of electrical charge that is released in lightning. His research group already is testing metals to identify those with the greatest potential for use in capturing atmospheric electricity and preventing lightning strikes.

"These are fascinating ideas that new studies by ourselves and by other scientific teams suggest are now possible," Galembeck said. "We certainly have a long way to go. But the benefits in the long range of harnessing hygroelectricity could be substantial."

Provided by American Chemical Society

http://www.physorg.com/news201958072.html


I believe it is current belief that a lot of lightning is formed when ice particles are high up within the atmosphere, the problem has always been how exactly it forms and such. To know that a hot vapor, such as steam, can also "create" a lightning discharge is quite a revelation.

Now the only problem is trying to work out how (and why) lightning forms from the ground and heads up into the atmosphere - the complete reversal of what is "normal" lightning. I imagine it has something to do with currents exchanged between the atmosphere and the ground.

Also if I remember correctly, Tesla had a theory that electricity (or some such variant) existed everywhere. An assistant and himself were monitoring a passing lightning storm and noticed that its energy signatures were still available on their instruments even though the storm had passed. I imagine those findings led to his last holy grail of extracting electricity "for free" with those huge towers that he wanted to create - something that was somewhat popularized in The Prestige.
 
it's just there in the air

Pure motherfucking magic Right?

This shit'll blow your fucking mind
 
Another technology which we'll hear about today and then never again. :(

Remember those revolutionary fuel cells which were publicly unveiled and used to power Google and Ebay and whatnot?
 
josephdebono said:
Another technology which we'll hear about today and then never again. :(

Remember those revolutionary fuel cells which were publicly unveiled and used to power Google and Ebay and whatnot?

99% of the time you never hear about these "revolutionary" techs because they were hogwash to begin with or have some serious limitation. In this case it's great that they are beginning to understand how lightening works, but it's a whole different matter to come up with some way to harness the potential. In non fairy tale land I would love to see solar cells keep dropping in price. There is so much energy in each square meter of sunlight that it's not even funny. At 1 kwh per square meter it would only take several square meters of coverage to power most houses. The problem is the lack of efficiency. They can only collect a small spectrum of the light and most of the rest is lost as heat. If they could figure out a way to make use of this heat (combined solar power/water heating) it would go a long ways towards making things cheaper in the long term.
 
"If we know how electricity builds up and spreads in the atmosphere, we can also prevent death and damage caused by lightning strikes," Galembeck said, noting that lightning causes thousands of deaths and injuries worldwide and millions of dollars in property damage.


:lol this clown wants to stop lightning? What is he planning to do, stop convection altogether? That shit involves fucking with rainfall and you dont want to do that.
 
RandomVince said:
:lol this clown wants to stop lightning? What is he planning to do, stop convection altogether? That shit involves fucking with rainfall and you dont want to do that.

What? No. The technology wouldn't fuck with rainfall. He would basically just be discharging the energy into some storage cell before it builds up to the point that it discharges itself as lightning.
 
Nice, but we need to see if this can be scaled to a larger size. Right now, this is just a hair more exciting than being able to power a light bulb with a potato.
 
HylianTom said:
Nice, but we need to see if this can be scaled to a larger size. Right now, this is just a hair more exciting than being able to power a light bulb with a potato.

<Slowly pulls down shades>
My gooooood.
 
In the future, he added, it may be possible to develop collectors, similar to the solar cells that collect the sunlight to produce electricity, to capture hygroelectricity and route it to homes and businesses.
as a person who speciailizes in solid-state electronics this makes me kinda rage because the technology won't be similar at all
 
speculawyer said:
I hope they could get something out of it but I don't see it working. How do these panels 'drain electricity out of the air'?

What happens to the air when we drain electricity out of it?
 
This is actually a very old idea, so old it may even shock you.
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Read up on Nikola Tesla (1856 –1943)
 
But the birds need that electricity to survive.

In this thread only 5 people know that Tesla was not just a character in the Prestige.
 
Edit: Doh, wrong post!
 
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