-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
Musk is the engineer we deserve.
QuantumZebra
Member
Dude is trolling on a level us plebes could never dream.
He's pretty much real life Iron Man at this point. Wouldn't be surprised if he starts showing up to events with a jetpack.
Camaway2
Member
Amen to that.Blue Origin
Founded: September 8, 2000
Funding: $1 billion per year from Jeff Bezos
Employees: 3500
Achievements: impressively phallic rocket design, ambitious PowerPoint presentations
SpaceX
Founded: May 6, 2002
Achievements:
The difference between the two companies is mind blowing when one considers that Blue Origins was founded two years earlier and has access to basically unlimited cashflow. It makes Musk's brilliance even more impressive.
Last edited:
Camaway2
Member
Yup, although I am still unsure him hosting SNL is going to work out for him.
Irobot82
Member
Musk's brilliance is surrounding himself with people who say "Yeah we can do that." and they actually mean it. Dreamers not fluffers.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Did you ever just look at the Amazon Prime supposed smile arrow? Yeaaah, about that stenciled underside crooked Bezos bone.Blue Origin
Founded: September 8, 2000
Funding: $1 billion per year from Jeff Bezos
Employees: 3500
Achievements: impressively phallic rocket design, ambitious PowerPoint presentations
SpaceX
Founded: May 6, 2002
Achievements:
ManaByte
Gold Member
The Twitter and purple forum meltdowns will be glorious.
CloudNull
Banned
I’m going to go out of my way to watch it live which I haven’t done in a very long time. Brilliant marketing.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
So if I'm understanding that tweet correctly blue origin is suing the US government because they didn't get the contract?
1 - Is that even possible? Because it sounds really stupid.
2 - Throwing a spurious lawsuit at the people who's good side you need to be on in order to get these contracts seems like a bad move.
Edit: I'm dumb it's a protest not a lawsuit lol
1 - Is that even possible? Because it sounds really stupid.
2 - Throwing a spurious lawsuit at the people who's good side you need to be on in order to get these contracts seems like a bad move.
Edit: I'm dumb it's a protest not a lawsuit lol
Last edited:
ManaByte
Gold Member
I don't think it's a lawsuit. More like Blue Origin stomping their feet and crying "it's not fair!"
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Oh I see that now. I think I'm so used to everyone suing everyone else these days that I just assumed protest was just another word for some kind of lawsuit lol
partime
Member
Sold 10% off Bitcoin's highs, but don't forget they still accept it as a Tesla payment method. Why is balancing the books a bad thing again for the weakest quarter?
Other ICE OEM's with their chip shortages and factory shutdowns won't have the luxury of balancing anything.
QuantumZebra
Member
Bezos is definitely not projecting BDE
Funny how fat cats like Bezos love capitalism until they don't
Last edited:
Ozzy Onya A2Z
Member
Footage of Bezos in Blue Origin HQ
Buggy Loop
Member
They're not even in the same league..
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Never knew Bezos did a space thing. Just took a skim of its Wiki. What a waste of money. On the plus side, at least Bezos is funding lots of it himself with Amazon stock sale.
Sejan
Member
This is the trouble with Blue Origin. They appear to have decent spacecraft designs and engines, but they appear unwilling to launch anything other than the New Shepherd.Blue Origin
Founded: September 8, 2000
Funding: $1 billion per year from Jeff Bezos
Employees: 3500
Achievements: impressively phallic rocket design, ambitious PowerPoint presentations
SpaceX
Founded: May 6, 2002
Achievements:
SJRB
Gold Member
On a fundamental level I think it's wonderful that wealthy individuals like Richard Branson, Bezos and of course Elon are looking into space exploration because untethered by governmental restrictions they can push innovation forward in a way NASA for example could never do.
However, Bezos' problem seems to be that he thinks that "money = success". You can't just build a rocket and then be offended that NASA rather does business with a well-established, well proven company instead of you.
TDiddyLive
Member
It’s literally what he does whenever he doesn’t get picked.
Amazon cites 'unmistakable bias' in Microsoft's military cloud contract win
Amazon says that the drawn-out selection process had "clear deficiencies."
www.cnbc.com
Torrent of Pork
Banned
I love Amazon as a service, but for the love of God Bezos is such a whiney bitch.It’s literally what he does whenever he doesn’t get picked.
Amazon cites 'unmistakable bias' in Microsoft's military cloud contract win
Amazon says that the drawn-out selection process had "clear deficiencies."
llien
Member
That gives a wrong impression. Here is the first 100km flight and landing of booster/crew bit:
| Flight No. | Date | Vehicle | Apogee | Outcome | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 5 March 2005 | Charon | 315 ft (96 m)[70] | Success | |
| 2 | 13 November 2006 | Goddard | 279 ft (85 m)[119] | Success | First rocket-powered test flight[120] |
| 3 | 22 March 2007 | Goddard ♺[121] | Success | ||
| 4 | 19 April 2007 | Goddard ♺[122] | Success | ||
| 5 | 6 May 2011 | PM2 (Propulsion Module)[123] | Success | [124] | |
| 6 | 24 August 2011 | PM2 (Propulsion Module) ♺ | Failure | [124] | |
| 7 | 19 October 2012 | New Shepard capsule | Success | Pad escape test flight,[81] | |
| 8 | 29 April 2015 | New Shepard 1 | 307,000 ft (93.5 km) | Partial success | Flight to altitude 93.5 km, capsule recovered, booster crashed on landing[125] |
| 9 | 23 November 2015 | New Shepard 2 | 329,839 ft (100.535 km)[84] | Success | Sub-orbital spaceflight and landing[126] |
| 10 | 22 January 2016 | New Shepard 2 ♺ | 333,582 ft (101.676 km)[citation needed] | Success | Sub-orbital spaceflight and landing of a reused booster[127] |
| 11 | 2 April 2016 | New Shepard 2 ♺ | 339,178 ft (103.381 km)[128] | Success | Sub-orbital spaceflight and landing of a reused booster[54] |
| 12 | 19 June 2016 | New Shepard 2 ♺ | 331,501 ft (101.042 km)[129] | Success | Sub-orbital spaceflight and landing of a reused booster: The fourth launch and landing of the same rocket. Blue Origin published a live webcast of the takeoff and landing.[129] |
| 13 | 5 October 2016 | New Shepard 2 ♺ | Booster: 307,458 ft (93.713 km) Capsule: 23,269 ft (7.092 km)[130] | Success | Sub-orbital spaceflight and landing of a reused booster. Successful test of the in-flight abort system. The fifth and final launch and landing of the same rocket (NS2).[111] |
| 14 | 12 December 2017 | New Shepard 3 | Booster: 322,032 ft (98.155 km) Capsule: 322,405 ft (98.269 km)[131] | Success | Flight to just under 100 km and landing. The first launch of NS3 and a new Crew Capsule 2.0.[132] |
| 15 | 29 April 2018 | New Shepard 3 ♺ | 351,000 ft (107 km)[133] | Success | Sub-orbital spaceflight and landing of a reused booster.[134] |
| 16 | 18 July 2018 | New Shepard 3 ♺ | 389,846 ft (118.825 km)[135] | Success | Sub-orbital spaceflight and landing of a reused booster, with the Crew Capsule 2.0-1 RSS H.G.Wells, carrying a mannequin. Successful test of the in-flight abort system at high altitude. Flight duration was 11 minutes.[135] |
| 17 | 23 January 2019 | New Shepard 3 ♺ | Approx. 351,000 ft (106.9 km)[citation needed] | Success | Sub-orbital flight, delayed from 18 December 2018. Eight NASA research and technology payloads were flown.[136][137] |
| 18 | 2 May 2019 | New Shepard 3 ♺ | Approx. 346,000 ft (105 km)[138] | Success | Sub-orbital flight. Max Ascent Velocity: 2,217 mph (3,568 km/h),[138] duration: 10 minutes, 10 seconds. Payload: 38 microgravity research payloads (nine sponsored by NASA). |
| 19 | 11 December 2019 | New Shepard 3 ♺ | Approx. 343,000 ft (104.5 km)[139] | Success | Sub-orbital flight, Payload: Multiple commercial, research (8 sponsored by NASA) and educational payloads, including postcards from Club for the Future.[140][141][139] |
| 20 | 13 October 2020 | New Shepard 3 ♺ | Approx. 346,000 ft (105.4 km) | Success | 7th flight of the same capsule/booster. Onboard 12 payloads include Space Lab Technologies, Southwest Research Institute, postcards and seeds for Club for the Future, and multiple payloads for NASA including SPLICE to test future lunar landing technologies in support of the Artemis program[142] |
| 21 | 14 January 2021 | New Shepard 4 | 350,858 ft (106 km) | Success | Uncrewed qualification flight for NS4 rocket and "RSS First Step" capsule and maiden flight for NS4.[143] |
| 22 | 14 April 2021 | New Shepard 4 | 348,753 ft (106 km) | Success | 2nd flight of NS4 with Astronaut Rehearsal. Gary Lai, Susan Knapp, Clay Mowry, and Audrey Powers, all Blue Origin personel, are “stand-in astronauts”. Lai and Powers briefly get in.[144] |
Musk is clearly far ahead, but it's not like Mr Amazon doesn't even have a flying rocket.
By July 2014 Bezos invested only 500 million into the project, it's not like they are wiping arses with money.
Last edited:
Successful suborbital flights are meaningless when the contract is for a lunar mission. It requires ~3% of the energy to go to 100km vs orbit, 1.5% of the energy vs escape velocity. It’s an entirely different game. That’s why SpaceX’s first milestone was making it to LEO. The wrong impression was not given.
Ballthyrm
Member
Blue Origin
Founded: September 8, 2000
Funding: $1 billion per year from Jeff Bezos
Employees: 3500
Achievements: impressively phallic rocket design, ambitious PowerPoint presentations
SpaceX
Founded: May 6, 2002
Achievements:
Crew 2 had a couple of first that are missing from this list.
- First reuse of a crewed capsule spacecraft (Dragon Endeavour)
- First reuse of an Orbital first stage carrying a crewed spacecraft
Last edited:
McCheese
Member
Funny story for you peeps, as told to me by a friend on a visit to SpaceX - not sure if he was pulling my leg but I'll share it as it's relevant to this thread, I'll be gutted if you guys can disprove it.
He told me Elon was paranoid these guys were using some type of laser pointer to heat up and blow up his rockets back in the early days when they were having trouble launching them and keeping them in one piece, as their (Blue Origin) research building had a direct line-of-sight with the original launch site they were using. so Elon demanded they hire someone with a telescope to spy at their building to see if anybody was on the roof, and then moved the launch site altogether just to be sure.
He told me Elon was paranoid these guys were using some type of laser pointer to heat up and blow up his rockets back in the early days when they were having trouble launching them and keeping them in one piece, as their (Blue Origin) research building had a direct line-of-sight with the original launch site they were using. so Elon demanded they hire someone with a telescope to spy at their building to see if anybody was on the roof, and then moved the launch site altogether just to be sure.
ThatStupidLion
Member
in billionaires I trust Musk a hell of a lot more than Bezos
bezos just looks and feels slimey
bezos just looks and feels slimey
Last edited:
Sejan
Member
For as rich as he is, Musk really does come off as down to Earth especially compared to other Billionaires.
pel1300
Member
I trust Musk a hell of a lot more than Bill Gates.
Elon has a god complex much like Gates but he sticks to his bread and butter in engineering. Gates is a computer tech guy acting as the medical authority of the world.
Sejan
Member
This, but so much more. Bill has become, in his own eyes, a master of everything. Politics, education, medical, everything. I'm all for the work he is doing in the medical field in disadvantaged areas such as making malaria medications more available. In the US, however, his meddling comes with strings attached--strings connected to massive amounts baggage.
Without getting into the politics of Gates, he has become much less of a philanthropist and much more of a self-styled social engineer that is often more akin to a rich guy that is bullying disadvantaged communities into conforming to his visions of society.
Jezbollah
Member
Bezos and Blue Origin have plenty of issues they are likely to use this to distract people from.
1) the BE4 engine, which is supposed to power the ULA Vulcan, to allow the to get away from Atlas V and it's Russian RD180 engines, is currently AWOL
2) their own New Glenn rocket has yet to make tangable progress
1) the BE4 engine, which is supposed to power the ULA Vulcan, to allow the to get away from Atlas V and it's Russian RD180 engines, is currently AWOL
2) their own New Glenn rocket has yet to make tangable progress
Ballthyrm
Member
Gates and Musk are both great at building a team of competent people and giving them what they need , all the while understanding enough to correct the direction every so often.
I don't think Gates is a medical authority but his skills apllied to effective altruism can be commanded.
We lack people with the skills to lead large team well and that's mostly what Gates bring to his foundation.
The question you should really ask yourself as to the doubt over what they are doing in the US, I can't really argue against.
To me NGO should do their hardest to be apolitical , especially if they are related to health.
Having NGO for politics is fine like EFF or Amnesty International, but blurry the lines always risk muddying the water over their true purpose. (That's why GreenPeace makes no sense)
If you are trying to help people, you don't want to be attacked for silly political arguments or shitty conspiracies theories.
Last edited:
Ownage
Member
Some biz are meant to run as a failure - with chronic annual losses - in order to be a tax deduction for the investor(s). Highly likely that this is the motive for Bezos and BO.Blue Origin
Founded: September 8, 2000
Funding: $1 billion per year from Jeff Bezos
Employees: 3500
Achievements: impressively phallic rocket design, ambitious PowerPoint presentations
SpaceX
Founded: May 6, 2002
Achievements:
Sejan
Member
I think they are genuinely trying to succeed, but they are running a last gen business. By the time they get New Shepherd running real missions, it’ll be essentially obsolete compared to SpaceX’s Falcon 9s and Heavies. With Starship already well into testing, New Glenn will be virtually obsolete before they can even really begin to test it.
Blue Origin’s business philosophy is stuck in the past and just isn’t up to competing against SpaceX’s much more aggressive philosophy right now.
For Blue Origin to succeed, they need to push for simultaneous testing of New Shepherd and New Glenn. They need to get the ball rolling now so as to ensure that both vehicles are ready as soon as possible.
poodaddy
Member
This statement says a lot about our society, particularly because it's actually quite understandable, and that's really sad.
Camaway2
Member
If it wasn't for SpaceX Blue Origin would look almost revolutionary, in the same way Airbus was when it entered the fray on a field that was left stale by the lack of competition. The problem for them is that SpaceX is the ultimate lean 21st century company., with razon focus and modern agile methodology.
Similar threads
- Locked