'Empire' Star Jussie Smollett Attacked in Possible Hate Crime (Update: Smollett indicted on 16 felony counts for alleged hoax)

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So maybe Jussie didn't send himself the letter according to the FBI but it gave him the persecution complex gumption he needed to still stage a hoax.
They may not have found a connection to him sending it to himself (I assume by your post), however, I still do not believe he was not in on it. The dude was a nobody, lol.
 
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Hate crime hoaxes, like Jussie Smollett's alleged attack, are more common than you think

The hate attack on Empire star Jussie Smollett is now alleged to be a hoax. That shouldn’t surprise anyone.

Smollett’s story was bizarre, bordering on the absurd. He claimed to have been attacked — at 2:00am in Chicago — by two men, in some early reports, wearing red MAGA hats, who called him “that Empire n_____,” yelled “this is MAGA country,” and poured bleach on him while putting a noose around his neck.

The questions here are obvious. How many Trump supporters even exist in the downtown of a city that went 83% for Hillary Clinton — and how many of them watch "Empire?" How many guys looking for a fight carry rope and bottles of bleach around with them? Almost every normal citizen had questions like these about this incident, and we were justified in having them.

That this case turned out to be a hoax shouldn't come as too big of a shock. A great many hate crime stories turn out to be hoaxes. Simply looking at what happened to the most widely reported hate crime stories over the past 4-5 years illustrates this: not only the Smollett case but also the Yasmin Seweid, Air Force Academy, Eastern Michigan, Wisconsin-Parkside, Kean College, Covington Catholic, and “Hopewell Baptist burning” racial scandals all turned out to be fakes. And, these cases are not isolated outliers.

Doing research for a book, Hate Crime Hoax, I was able to easily put together a data set of 409 confirmed hate hoaxes. An overlapping but substantially different list of 348 hoaxes exists at fakehatecrimes.org, and researcher Laird Wilcox put together another list of at least 300 in his still-contemporary book Crying Wolf. To put these numbers in context, a little over 7,000 hate crimes were reported by the FBI in 2017 and perhaps 8-10% of these are widely reported enough to catch the eye of a national researcher.
Why do hoaxers hoax? In some cases, the motivations are tawdry and financial. Jussie Smollett allegedly wanted to make himself a sympathetic figure to boost his salary.

However, the motivations of many hoaxers are honorable if misguided. In college campus hate hoax cases (Kean College, U-Chicago), the individuals responsible almost invariably say that they staged incidents to call attention to real incidents of racist violence on campus. Certainly, the media giants that leap to publicize hate crime stories later revealed to be fakes, and the organizations that line up to defend their “victims” — the Southern Poverty Law Center, Black Lives Matter, CAIR — think that they are providing a public service by fighting bigotry.
However, hate crime hoaxers are “calling attention to a problem” that is a very small part of total crimes. There is very little brutally violent racism in the modern USA. There are less than 7,000 real hate crimes reported in a typical year. Inter-racial crime is quite rare; 84% of white murder victims and 93% of Black murder victims are killed by criminals of their own race, and the person most likely to kill you is your ex-wife or husband. When violent inter-racial crimes do occur, whites are at least as likely to be the targets as are minorities. Simply put, Klansmen armed with nooses are not lurking on Chicago street corners.


In this context, what hate hoaxers actually do is worsen generally good race relations, and distract attention from real problems. As Chicago’s disgusted top cop, Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson, pointed out yesterday, skilled police officers spent four weeks tracking down Smollett’s imaginary attackers — in a city that has seen 28 murders as of Feb. 9th, according to The Chicago Tribune. We all, media and citizens alike, would be better served to focus on real issues like gun violence and the opiate epidemic than on fairy tales like Jussie’s.
 
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Anything above around 2% +/-1% is too much. Literally every type of crime has a false reporting rate of around 2% with two outliers. Rape and Hate crimes. Draw whatever conclusions you want from that.

Hate crimes have been pretty flat over the last few decades and yes they do exist and are a problem, just like every other crime. The on the rise statistics are mostly statistical noise based on singular incidents targeting more people rather than individuals. The rise in 2017 were all mostly attributed to a single case of antisemitism that targeted a large number of people. Also there are more reports of things like graffiti and chalk drawing of shitty things and symbols being listed as a hate crime rather than just vandalism or simply washed away /painted over rather than reported to police.
 
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You ever woke up and was like "thank god that was only a nightmare!"

I bet this dude had that feeling and was like "oh shit!"

Subway sucks. How did they go from $5 footlong to $13 dollar per visit? And what is that nasty water they put the knife in. Tell them to wipe that thing off!
 
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You ever woke up and was like "thank god that was only a nightmare!"

I bet this dude had that feeling and was like "oh shit!"

Subway sucks. How did they go from $5 footlong to $13 dollar per visit? And what is that nasty water they put the knife in. Tell them to wipe that thing off!
I think once they stopped putting yoga mat chemical in their bread they in turn had to raise prices.

Buddy worked at Subway long time ago and told me “there’s a reason those subs are 5 bucks.”

Kind of a “you don’t wanna know how the sausage gets made” scenario
 
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So maybe Jussie didn't send himself the letter according to the FBI but it gave him the persecution complex gumption he needed to still stage a hoax.
Let's not get ahead of or ourselves. The first three articles I just read on this did not say the FBI said he didn't do it. They all said the FBI said he may not have sent it and they are still investigating. In other words, they said exactly what they are supposed to say in a nation of due process.


Do not confuse that with saying he didn't. Unless you have a source with a direct quote saying he didnt?
 
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I think once they stopped putting yoga mat chemical in their bread they in turn had to raise prices.

Buddy worked at Subway long time ago and told me “there’s a reason those subs are 5 bucks.”

Kind of a “you don’t wanna know how the sausage gets made” scenario
haha yeah I heard about that bread fiasco..

Figures, how adamant they are about rushing that sub in their little microwave and globbing mayo all over it.

Thankfully they have been closing stores around here, people are catching up.
 
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It depends on what you mean by common and what they considered fake, like a lot of statistics. About 10% (of the pool of 7000) being fake seems pretty reasonable.
If this was no issue I would expect the split of people committing them to be equally split on the political divide, but it seems the majority are all from the left.
I would like to see any high profile examples of these hoaxes from the right?
 
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If this was no issue I would expect the split of people committing them to be equally split on the political divide, but it seems the majority are all from the left.
I would like to see any high profile examples of these hoaxes from the right?
I don't know if I can think of false accusations aimed directly "at the left" coming straight "from the right" for political purposes, such as alleging MAGA hat wearing sub-zero rednecks attacked someone, but I feel like there have been quite a few cases of white people alleging false crimes against black people in recent years. Again, that isn't necessarily a "right wing" thing though, I mean obviously it happens to everyone. I bring it up because it felt like the black people were chosen due to being perceived as easy targets, for lack of a better term
 
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Someone posted an article pages back with stats saying they aren’t common at all.

lol, this is the problem.

So which facts are actually facts?
That was your buddy NI, not just “someone”, and I’m fairly certain you know this.

I addressed the slimy activist maths here but didn’t get a response:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/the-rise-of-fake-hate-crimes.1472514/page-2#post-253811130

He was banned the next day, but I will be following up on this when he returns.
 
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I addressed the slimy activist maths here but didn’t get a response:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/the-rise-of-fake-hate-crimes.1472514/page-2#post-253811130

He was banned the next day, but I will be following up on this when he returns.
I mean look at this https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/02/25/jackson-hate-crime-arson-joly/2978003002/

There are some serious issues that get glossed over because one side or the other has their hate blinding them.
 
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While being questioned by investigators, the brothers claimed that Smollett paid them $3,500 to help orchestrate and stage the crime after he became upset that a letter threatening him, sent Jan. 22 to the Fox studio where the television series "Empire" is filmed, did not get enough attention, law enforcement sources told ABC News.
It almost sounds worse that this was motivated by “not getting enough attention” for a real letter than just fabricating the letter to begin with
 
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I think once they stopped putting yoga mat chemical in their bread they in turn had to raise prices.

Buddy worked at Subway long time ago and told me “there’s a reason those subs are 5 bucks.”

Kind of a “you don’t wanna know how the sausage gets made” scenario
Vegetables cost almost nothing. The processed meat is cheap. And the bread is literally about an 8 inch pencil shape of dough that expands to 12 fluffy inches when fully baked. The ingredients cost to make an average footlong sandwich with a shake of salt and pepper and a squirt of mustard is probably about 50 cents tops.
 
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Vegetables cost almost nothing. The processed meat is cheap. And the bread is literally about an 8 inch pencil shape of dough that expands to 12 fluffy inches when fully baked. The ingredients cost to make an average footlong sandwich with a shake of salt and pepper and a squirt of mustard is probably about 50 cents tops.
You got me, man, you got me
 
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You got me, man, you got me
As a basic rule of thumb, when it comes to restaurants, just about everything is about 75% markup (from retail price), or around triple the cost of goods. As a coincidence, shoes and clothing is similar too.

Other extremely marked up products we all buy include meat and produce at grocery stores. They make more money selling you a 1 lb bag of apples (about 50% markup), then selling you a case of pop or jug of milk (breakeven) It's crazy the kinds of things that have low or high markups or which things these breakeven on.
 
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As a basic rule of thumb, when it comes to restaurants, just about everything is about 75% markup (from retail price), or around triple the cost of goods. As a coincidence, shoes and clothing is similar too.

Other extremely marked up products we all buy include meat and produce at grocery stores. They make more money selling you a 1 lb bag of apples (about 50% markup), then selling you a case of pop or jug of milk (breakeven) It's crazy the kinds of things that have low or high markups or which things these breakeven on.
Yep, and most grocery stores operate at only a 1-2% gross profit margin overall as well.
 
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Yep, and most grocery stores operate at only a 1-2% gross profit margin overall as well.
Yup. Extremely high back end costs.... stores, tons of employees, fleet trucks, regional distribution centres etc..... the monthly utility bills for a typical grocery store must be through the roof. Also, lots of costs thrown out (spoiled food). Only some food companies give credit for expiring food. Most don't. That's why you see 50% off expiring food racks. Anything to get back money.... even pennies on the dollar.
 
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Just finished reading this entire thread. Holy shit, what a journey. I don't know what was my favorite part: watching Jussie's white knights have their ranks decimated, OP getting banished to the shadow realm, or the memes. I was entertained.
I sacrificed my already rare gaming time to keep up with this thread. No regrets LOL