specialguy
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PC's are inexorably tied to consoles these days anyway. My brother (PC only gamer mostly) laments all the time he wishes new consoles would come out so PC graphics would take a jump.
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Epic: "I think the console guys are going to blow us all away"
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PC's are inexorably tied to consoles these days anyway. My brother (PC only gamer mostly) laments all the time he wishes new consoles would come out so PC graphics would take a jump.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Forgive me if I'm wrong on this but aren't the next gen systems at this point locked down as far as specs are concerned? (Assuming late 2013 launch)
If Epic really do want/need more power in the next gen console's then they should have spoken up a couple of years ago!
I'd rather have PCs "held back" so it's cheaper for people to get into, making a more healthy market, than focusing on bleeding edge tech. It's not as sustainable.
Because a CPU is all you need to run today's games, right?
specialguy
Banned
I will say one encouraging thing about the topic title:
Rein probably KNOWS at least what Durango looks like, or has a good idea. He may not be able to say it's fact, by using the words "I think" rather than "I know", but it's probably as good as fact.
I follow every word Rein says on the subject and he's been pretty consistent on the hints that next gen is going to be pretty powerful. I mean I watched a recorded USTREAM conference with the guy and he dropped some great hints there LOL, that's my level of following.
Rein probably KNOWS at least what Durango looks like, or has a good idea. He may not be able to say it's fact, by using the words "I think" rather than "I know", but it's probably as good as fact.
I follow every word Rein says on the subject and he's been pretty consistent on the hints that next gen is going to be pretty powerful. I mean I watched a recorded USTREAM conference with the guy and he dropped some great hints there LOL, that's my level of following.
I want to disagree with you so freaking bad. But I can't =/
Zoramon089
Banned
smh
The way people overrate portable hardware compared to consoles is hilarious. It seems to happen especially frequently when it's built into Apple devices.
This. Profitability of making hardware, selling it to consumers at an acceptable price, etc isn't their concern.
stuminus3
Member
hah, I am on like 30 hrs no sleep WOoO. Dougie D is best peter molyneux anyone here follow him on twitter?
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Version 3.0
Member
Plenty of people were willing to pay $600+ for a console...the Wii, on eBay.
SuicideUZI
Member
the A5 processor has a CPU and GPU built into the same chip, not unlike an AMD APU processor or intel sandy bridge/ivy bridge processor
I do not think Mark Reins is as dumb as some of you are making him out to be, he has a valid point and I'm glad that Epic is pushing the console makers to make next gen consoles as powerful as they can
Version 3.0
Member
No, the specs of these things can change very late in development. Some things are more flexible than others, of course. The Gamecube's clock speeds changed very late, if I recall, and of course there's the aforementioned doubling of RAM in the 360.
Wandering Leopard
Member
You could be right, they're likely to be locked at this stage but the quotes indicate this may not be the case. And if you look at the WiiU for example, even though it's releasing this year, improvements have supposedly been made to the latest dev kits.
Go to bed, man
I've stayed up way longer and still posted on GAF (and was probably worse than this).
Yep I got to save the galaxy and post random thoughts on hardware no time for sleep.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Because the tech is more than 7 years old. Because they've scraped the bottom of the barrel with what they can do. Because all we're getting now are sequels. It's time for a new generation of consoles to match the new generation of handhelds. The 3DS has better multiplayer than the Wii and online infrastructure. The Vita can do things that the PS3 cannot do in terms of messaging, download speed, day and day retail/digital, etc. I and many others are sick and tired of the same old shit being released on the PS3/360. The visuals are no longer impressive. The gameplay is stale. No new IP's. It's over.
Chittagong
Gold Member
If 720 release this year or Spring 2013 wasn't ruled out already, this discourse seals the deal. If a console would be released within the next year hardware would be locked down and this effort would be futile (and Rein would know it).
ipad 3 (sorry, new ipad) has the same GPU as a vita. but half the CPU (not allowing for clock speed variances). Also its missing VRAM. Less than a Vita anyway. Vita is less than a PS3. I'd also bet money that the battery will last a shorter amount of time playing a similarly taxing game - you get nowhere near 10hrs playing something like infinity blade.
Apple are so good at selective quoting
ipad has more ram than PS3
ipad has a higher resolution than HDTV
ipad has 10 hours battery life
all accurate stats in isolation, but that doesn't not mean you have a tablet that can play games in higher than HD resolution, better than PS3, for 10 hours
maybe ipad 4 or 5 will catch up to PS3, just as Sony replace it.
I think perhaps people think mobile tech has moved so quickly in recent years that it'll continue to develop at that rate, which it won't. It'll hit power and thermal limits pretty quickly
I'm not saying we shouldn't get new consoles (rereading my posts in this thread it sort of looks like that). I just don't want the new consoles to be super expensive because the people who want to pay money for raw power can just build PCs. I want consoles to compliment my PC, not replace it.
haha what is this? I can't believe there are posters like this on GAF
pro tip: IB2 does not "look" better than console UE3 games because of iPhone/iPad's power
Do you honestly believe that IB2 could not be released on 360 or ps3?
Agree.
They are selling weapons to all sides in this conflict!
molekiller
Banned
Even if the iPad was twice as powerful as a PS3 you can't play shit with a touchscreen and without physical controls. Apples and watermelons would be almost real in fruit ninja though... what a difficult choice it would be.
The problem with a $600 console is that the vast majority of regular people still view them as toys designed to play games and nothing else. I, and a lot of other people on a forum devoted to gaming would obviously be willing to pay a higher price point for better tech, but the general public will not.
The Ipad is not in the same class as consoles because it is a general purpose device that just happens to play games. Hence the reason that Apple can sell it for so high (that and the cult of apple of course) a price and people will still snap it up.
The Ipad and other tablets are just taking over the slot previously held onto by laptops imo, and although sure there will be some snacking on the gaming table as well, as a whole I just don't view them in the same class.
One final note. The yearly updates ( or damn near) of the Ipad's and other mobile devices is a double edged sword. Eventually the mobile tech will catch up with the next gen consoles, but will the game developers care? In the era of monster budget games that take 2-3 years to develop, are game developers inclined to chase moving goalposts?
Just my 2c.
The Ipad is not in the same class as consoles because it is a general purpose device that just happens to play games. Hence the reason that Apple can sell it for so high (that and the cult of apple of course) a price and people will still snap it up.
The Ipad and other tablets are just taking over the slot previously held onto by laptops imo, and although sure there will be some snacking on the gaming table as well, as a whole I just don't view them in the same class.
One final note. The yearly updates ( or damn near) of the Ipad's and other mobile devices is a double edged sword. Eventually the mobile tech will catch up with the next gen consoles, but will the game developers care? In the era of monster budget games that take 2-3 years to develop, are game developers inclined to chase moving goalposts?
Just my 2c.
Apple are so good at selective quoting
ipad has more ram than PS3
ipad has a higher resolution than HDTV
ipad has 10 hours battery life
all accurate stats in isolation, but that doesn't not mean you have a tablet that can play games in higher than HD resolution, better than PS3, for 10 hours
I for one welcome Apple making fun of the consoles. It's not that hard to make a game run at higher resolution than the average PS3 game, since most of them have to suffer to get 720p.
And their higher-than-1080p ipad 3 hopefully will make some display makers create affordable higher-than-1080p displays. It's stupid how hard is to find something better than a 1080p monitor without paying $texas.
Something Wicked
Member
Fight the good fight, Epic. Keep encouraging MS and Sony to open their purses a little more. Also, could you ask them to increase the bandwidth limits on XBL and PSN while you're at it?
It's like this post came directly from my head.
Wii had a normal console cycle, and took it 5 years with a pathetic level of third party support. The other consoles have had a longer generation because it's taken much longer for their ROI to come to fruition. That, and "HD" software is longer in the oven/more expensive.
Risk Breaker
Member
What the shit? What are you even trying to say? That ports and sequels don't exist on new hardware? That's just beyond insane.
That's debatable. If they didn't push graphics so hard they wouldn't eat so many cycles, both literally in processing terms and within human resources, that could then instead benefit AI and physics and all those things that actually make games fun.
I'm not interested in prettier movies I can twiddle sticks and push buttons to. I always want better games.
Kamakazie!
Member
I don't think either of you a right to be quite honest. There are a multitude of reasons for the perceived leaps including die shrinks, shorter battery life expectations, improvements in display power consumption etc.
I don't see it slowing down but I don't think it will be speeding up really either, not at a rate faster or slower than the rest of the tech market anyhow.
He is totally wrong with his comparisons and it ruins his whole argument. He often does this and imo isn't really worth listening to outside of finding out about Epic and their engines.
From what I understand, ARM chips are not even close to match the processing capabilities of the Xenon in the 360.
PjotrStroganov
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SafeinSound
Member
You don't really think that, do you?
Just asking.
You are telling me certain iPhone game looks better than Gears of fucking War 3? Got to be kidding me...
Till we get there we will just have to deal with the "hard" fact of laying in couch and playing games on 42inch screens.