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I'm still here. @ me next time.didnt that one white guy that posted here often cosplay as a black guy the whole time?
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EuroCosplay bans League of Legends Cosplayer for alleged "blackface"
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sol740
Member
I'm half-asian, and I have a Spiderman costume I'm wearing this Halloween. I am cosplaying as Peter Parker in his Spiderman outfit, not some other universe where Spiderman was a half-asian, half-white guy. It gets worse, my son is dressing up as Miles Morales. Awaiting outrage and ban.
MrTroubleMaker
Member
full body costume, there is nothing wrong here.so many people banned at ree
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dogmod
Neo Member
I just looked at the Era thread, wow those people are straight psychos. How do these people even survive in the world?
That's not even remotely blackface, portrayal of a character of a different race is not disrespectful. Blackface is the intentional caricaturing of black people with the guise to make fun of them, this isn't even close to that.
The girl likes the character and made a very sophisticated costume to portray this character. That forum should be nuked.
That's not even remotely blackface, portrayal of a character of a different race is not disrespectful. Blackface is the intentional caricaturing of black people with the guise to make fun of them, this isn't even close to that.
The girl likes the character and made a very sophisticated costume to portray this character. That forum should be nuked.
dogmod
Neo Member
I used to think it was funny, now I'm realizing how dangerous these types of people actually are. And even worse the video game industry surrounds themselves with these people and uses them for feedback.
Kamina
Golden Boy
Reding the comments of the users that were banned over there you can see that they are just stating their opinions. The place is like a totalitarian state where you are supposed to agree with the regime or you will be locked up.
This is absolutely dangerous and shows that fascism is very much alive in these people.
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MalcomseX
Banned
It is a curated echo chamber. If you don't spew the same whiney knee-jerk bullshit that the rest of the hive does, you catch a permanent ban with the tag "History of <insert lie> behavior". This place truly is lucky that these basement dwellers left.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
Yeah these people are finding and using any little excuse to try and push their own agenda these days. There's no middle ground for them, it always has to be the extreme, which is just as dangerous as the things they are supposed to be against.
Nobody was defending blackface, that I saw in that thread anyway, yet they are banning people for that reason, it's crazy.
mcjmetroid
Member
But this isn't even blackface. It's a skin tone to match a fictional character and it's done respectfully in my eyes.
Are there any black pople on this forum that have a problem with this? Serious question.
Edit: I checked out the thread on Resetera. What a joke they're banning every second user... Why even post there anymore when there is no discussion to be had.
Who says these moderators have any moral high grounds over their users?
It really didn't take them long to become power crazy did it?
Are there any black pople on this forum that have a problem with this? Serious question.
Edit: I checked out the thread on Resetera. What a joke they're banning every second user... Why even post there anymore when there is no discussion to be had.
Who says these moderators have any moral high grounds over their users?
It really didn't take them long to become power crazy did it?
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Corrik
Member
Blackface that is offensive is blackface that is used with intention to offend. I mean, that should be common sense.
If someone is spray painting their body all black to go to a game in their school colors, like duh not offensive. If someone is dressing up in a costume of another color, this is not offensive. If anything, it is reverence.
I understand in the past that they used to do Blackface to imitate blacks and make fun of them. However, that had offensive intent and that is why it was offensive.
If someone is spray painting their body all black to go to a game in their school colors, like duh not offensive. If someone is dressing up in a costume of another color, this is not offensive. If anything, it is reverence.
I understand in the past that they used to do Blackface to imitate blacks and make fun of them. However, that had offensive intent and that is why it was offensive.
Kdad
Member
EuroCosplay ban League of Legends Cosplayer for alleged “blackface” - Dexerto
This portrayal resulted in the cosplayers disqualification from EuroCosplay 2019.www.dexerto.com
Fans recreating characters from their favorite TV shows, games, and movies in the form of cosplaying has become increasingly popular, with events such as EuroCosplay hosting even tournaments for the best ones.
However, One of the EuroCosplay 2019 finalists was removed from the competition after allegations that the cosplayer was wearing ‘blackface’ while portraying 'Pyke' from League of Legends.
Although the cosplayer was not specified in their statement, it later came to light that it was the competition’s French representative, Alice Livanart's impression of Pyke that was the cause of disqualification.
The cosplayer was apparently wearing a full-body skin suit to accurately represent the champion, however, it was deemed unacceptable by EuroCosplay, who apologized for any offense caused and disqualified Alice from the tournament.
Alice had previously won the French Cosplay cup and qualified for the EuroCosplay finals on September 22 with the detailed Pyke costume, which was estimated to cost the cosplayer over €3,000 to complete, according to RTL.
This fucking generation is nuts.
Rien
Jelly Belly
Its getting worse I’m afraid.
Fuz
Banned
Yah, no, fuck gingers.
PocoJoe
Banned
So if african tribe paints their faces white, they are whitefacing and should be nuked?
Just stupid to get offended by any of these things, even if someone paints his face and yells "lol i am niggaaaa", why would it offend anybody? Just laugh it off.
In these things the problem is people that get offended by "nothing" rather than if someone is mocking some group or not.
Getting offended just states that you are intellectually unable to handle your reactions and emotions, not to get offended for stupid shit.
So, if one gets offended by any-color-face, he/she is just stupid and should not be listened to
Just stupid to get offended by any of these things, even if someone paints his face and yells "lol i am niggaaaa", why would it offend anybody? Just laugh it off.
In these things the problem is people that get offended by "nothing" rather than if someone is mocking some group or not.
Getting offended just states that you are intellectually unable to handle your reactions and emotions, not to get offended for stupid shit.
So, if one gets offended by any-color-face, he/she is just stupid and should not be listened to
I wonder.
How competitive are these cosplay "tournaments"?
It seems like the kind of thing maybe a determined competitor might do to get rid of someone who looks set to win.
"Ooof I don't think we can compete with that buuuuut... isn't that a white woman under that suit?"
I could definitely see the problem if this was like a cosplay of a character that is obviously human and especially if the character was played by a human actor etc. So, for example, a white dude cosplaying Mace Windu from Star Wars with the full facepaint etc would definitely be dodgy as fuck.
However, this is a woman deciding she wants to portray this muscular, fantasy, character that isn't even instantly recognizable as human (could be a demon or orc or monster or anything like that really).
So she gets a full body suit and mask made up and that's all fine BUT the skin tone of the suit doesn't match her actual skin tone and THAT is not acceptable.
She seems like an easy target because she's just one person and a lot of people will be afraid to publicly "defend blackface" so the bullies are able to get in there and make her life miserable and punish her.
I don't really see what she has done wrong here and for sure I don't think there was any malice or mockery intended AT ALL.
Like, how would it even occur to you to change the color of the characters skin when getting the suit made?
"I want to cosplay as Pyke from League of Legends"
"OK, so since I am a woman we are gonna have to make some kind of suit for me to wear".
At what point in the process are you going to think "oh shit the body suit will need to have a darker skin tone and I can't do that because it's blackface".
You aren't dressing like a real person. You are dressing as some kind of undead monster from the ocean depths. So it seems like concerns about the characters skin tone would be far from your mind because you aren't really dressing as a human person anyway.
User Banned (1 week): dismissing blackface
How competitive are these cosplay "tournaments"?
It seems like the kind of thing maybe a determined competitor might do to get rid of someone who looks set to win.
"Ooof I don't think we can compete with that buuuuut... isn't that a white woman under that suit?"
I could definitely see the problem if this was like a cosplay of a character that is obviously human and especially if the character was played by a human actor etc. So, for example, a white dude cosplaying Mace Windu from Star Wars with the full facepaint etc would definitely be dodgy as fuck.
However, this is a woman deciding she wants to portray this muscular, fantasy, character that isn't even instantly recognizable as human (could be a demon or orc or monster or anything like that really).
So she gets a full body suit and mask made up and that's all fine BUT the skin tone of the suit doesn't match her actual skin tone and THAT is not acceptable.
She seems like an easy target because she's just one person and a lot of people will be afraid to publicly "defend blackface" so the bullies are able to get in there and make her life miserable and punish her.
I don't really see what she has done wrong here and for sure I don't think there was any malice or mockery intended AT ALL.
Like, how would it even occur to you to change the color of the characters skin when getting the suit made?
"I want to cosplay as Pyke from League of Legends"
"OK, so since I am a woman we are gonna have to make some kind of suit for me to wear".
At what point in the process are you going to think "oh shit the body suit will need to have a darker skin tone and I can't do that because it's blackface".
You aren't dressing like a real person. You are dressing as some kind of undead monster from the ocean depths. So it seems like concerns about the characters skin tone would be far from your mind because you aren't really dressing as a human person anyway.
User Banned (1 week): dismissing blackface
PhilipDoesMatter
Member
I can't understand for this life of me how would someone be offended by this freaking amazing cosplay.
I'm a black man, and I'm speechless by how ridiculous this generation of youngsters can be.
I saw this very same thread on era and I'm laughing out loud with everyone being banned for dismissing the "problem". RIDICULOUS.
I'm a black man, and I'm speechless by how ridiculous this generation of youngsters can be.
I saw this very same thread on era and I'm laughing out loud with everyone being banned for dismissing the "problem". RIDICULOUS.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
No doubt the perpetually offended would be the first to jump with glee at the sight of a black James Bond.
You just cant win with these hypocritical morons. The quicker sane people start to ignore the fringe lunatics the better.
You just cant win with these hypocritical morons. The quicker sane people start to ignore the fringe lunatics the better.
I think everyone has a mental illness nowadays. Search on any issue you have on Google and it suggests mental illness to you. A lot of crazy anti-meat and anti-whatever people became obsessed because they did a search on the internet and took it all in without second guessing any of it.
More than anything I think people are simply stupid but that doesn't make them less dangerous in these times where we all push each other to cancel stuff.
Neofire
Member
While I agree, to me, the outfit isn't blatant black face. Seeing that she didnt actually paint her skin brown or black and it's a suit. However please don't try to speak for all black people, Ive seen some black women do a Tifa cosplay and get hated on(no altering of the skin color either). The ban is harsh no doubt though.
Here in a America(where it originated from) it has a history, imo the individual should have known better.
Neofire
Member
While I agree, to me, the outfit isn't blatant black face. Seeing that she didnt actually paint her skin brown or black and it's a suit. However please don't try to speak for all black people, Ive seen some black women do a Tifa cosplay and get hated on(no altering of the skin color either). The ban is harsh no doubt though.
Here in a America(where it originated from) it has a history, imo the individual should have known better.
And yet I still think we need to lay down all this fixation on how actions "represent" stuff. We're so laser focused on whether something a person does has representative connotations and there's no room for people just doing something on a whim. You have to foresee all the insinuations and outsinuations and bysinuations of a mere thought or face the hyperbolic but lethal people mob stirred by the internet.
Sometimes people do stupid things that happen to be offensive to somebody. I really think it's blown out of proportion; the perception of what actual damage it does to anyone (Nothing, just people masquerading self-attention with their "hurt feelings" imo)
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Yeah we can't have a real blackface discussion in a thread where no blackface even happened. It's tough to do. But just because you didn't intend to mock, doesn't mean it's okay for a person to do something. But when being fair, that person would be told that what they did is wrong and they'd apologize and stop doing it.
The issue is when the person is told what they did is wrong and they want to fight for their "right" to continue to do said thing.
The bolded isn't fair or true. It's only blown out of proportion if you don't care about the people that raise the issue. Nobody wants to live in a world or country that thinks making fun of your race is "cool". Or having your race oversexualized is "awesome". People can be rightly offended if they believe people only view them as an outfit and not as "real people". See.......
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MalcomseX
Banned
The moderators banning people are the same ones who left this place a couple years ago by posting hardcore porn and demanding to be banned. The reason they just ban people and dont allow conversations about it is because they know they don't have the high ground. Or the intelligence required to defend their own decisions. Funny thing is, they're reading this thread and fuming.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Was Michael Jackson guilty of whiteface?
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KorbinDallas
Member
bishopcruz
Member
I suppose the question then is, how many people have to be offended for something to be wrong or offensive? I remember SNL doing a parody of Cubans in Marco Rubio back in 2016 and the number of shits given in the Cuban community was less than zero. Was doing "brown" face then ok because no one cared?
As for the bolded part, my main issue is the inherent assumption is that something is inherently wrong, context matters, and the context in the images you posted is a mascot that has LITERAL red skin, red is part of the colors of the team, and yeah, it is clearly a caricature. The face painting is not intended to offend, and IS intended to support a sports team, and the history involved changes the context. I guess it goes back to what I just said, how many have to be offended for something to be considered wrong? Dunno the stats on the Indians, but for the Redskins, for example, 90% of Native Americans don't have a problem with the name in polls, so does dressing like a "Redskin" in a stadium in that context cause a problem? For some, possibly, but I think you can disagree that it is offensive and still be ok.
This reminds me of an incident my wife was involved in. She is biracial, but fairly light-skinned. She used to cosplay as Misty Knight and would wear her summer base/concealer that was a shade darker than her skin normal skin tone.
One day a picture of her in the costume pops up on some cosplayer's blog, someone she'd never met. Its a nasty piece about how dare she do black face with several readers dog piling, calling her racist, evil, etc. A few friends started replying back about her actual heritage and asking if a person of color can actually do black face. It shut everyone up that was attacking her but there was never an apology.
Anyway point I'm making us that most of those people are interested in a civil discussion. They just want to be outraged and be morally superior. Era can keep them.
One day a picture of her in the costume pops up on some cosplayer's blog, someone she'd never met. Its a nasty piece about how dare she do black face with several readers dog piling, calling her racist, evil, etc. A few friends started replying back about her actual heritage and asking if a person of color can actually do black face. It shut everyone up that was attacking her but there was never an apology.
Anyway point I'm making us that most of those people are interested in a civil discussion. They just want to be outraged and be morally superior. Era can keep them.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
the mouth & nose being covered up feels like a big deal. in traditional blackface, the mouth and nose are grotesquely portrayed, making the black person into an inhuman cartoonish caricature. here the mouth is hidden entirely.
yes he got tons of shit for what was a medical condition he had. his skin naturally turned white but so many rumors were started that he was doing this to his body. this is how obsessed people are with race, they should accuse a black man of whiting himself up for a joke.
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nkarafo
Member
So you can't even cosplay as a character that has a different skin tone now, even though the point of cosplaying is becoming a different character that has nothing to do with yourself.
This shit is so tiresome. And i don't even care about cosplayers. I think it's best to just not even bother anymore.
This shit is so tiresome. And i don't even care about cosplayers. I think it's best to just not even bother anymore.
Floyd
Member
If black people are offended by this french chic loving, appreciating, and embracing a made-up black videogame character, and spending 3000 euros and months of hard work on a costume, to express that love, then the human race is heading in the wrong direction and the racists have already won.
Neofire
Member
In my opinion(from what I know so far) she was wrong for darkening her skin tone to match another individual, same goes for lightening. Just because your so called half and half doesn't mean you get to jump back and forth and noone say anything. I don't know the woman so I'll leave that statement their but as a black male of two black parents I do not get to put on my skin tone with a makeup brush and remove it when convenient or non convenient. She should have been comfortable with the way her skin tone looks from the beginning.
KorbinDallas
Member
Raven117
Member
Dear everloving goodness, that Era thread is weaponized stupid.
Its one thing to dress in blackface to mock (the minstrel thing.) It is absolutely quite another to dress as a character that is meant to be a celebration of how awesome that character is. All this is power...telling other people what they can and can't do. Nothing more.
Its one thing to dress in blackface to mock (the minstrel thing.) It is absolutely quite another to dress as a character that is meant to be a celebration of how awesome that character is. All this is power...telling other people what they can and can't do. Nothing more.
Lionel Richie
Member
Man if every relation we have in life was this polite and well-measured we wouldn't have these issues anymore. I would never paint myself for any reason because I'm not dedicated enough lol but let's assume it's a party and I dress up like Questlove with the afro because I'm a huge Roots fan, then a black friend comes to me and tells me it was a bad idea and it makes him uncomfortable. I'd have absolutely no reason NOT to listen to him, it would be asinine to tell to fuck off and not change my outfit.
The problem is that these discussions are never so level minded or even productive. A lot of times when the internet is shouting about blackface (which is a very harsh word to use because it has a very real history of atrocities associated with it, so that's a bad way to start a conversation already), it's usually a bunch of white people doing so. So you have two groups of mostly white people at war about something that should be simpler to solve. People are just too angry nowadays. Nobody tells you're wrong for something, people tell you are an asshole that should probably die. Nobody apologizes, people double down on what they were doing for pride.
TheSadRanger
Banned
Just saw the bans on Resetera..
My god.
I had to check that thread out myself and good lord that thread is a graveyard for some pretty innocuous comments.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
Would it be amoral to put those culprit of blackface in tar and have them live like that for the rest of their lives?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
There was no blackface.
Kirye
Member
Yuuup.. Got banned for saying I didn't think it was blackface, but I get why she got kicked out. They're way too trigger happy over there, not everyone has to agree on everything..
McCheese
Member
For what it's worth, the general consensus everywhere outside of that shithole is that you are completely right. How long did you all get banned for? I would press F for you, but to be fair if you already had a GAF account they've done you favour.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
It's probably the only form of power and control they have in their miserable existence, so they can't help but abuse it.
