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Everyday Doomsday thread.. why is it in Politics? - (Global Emergency/Climate Crisis Thread)

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Hello GAF, as a fellow gamer and overall contributor to this industry dominating a large part of my life in particular.
i want to have this sort of thread here on this community, and i would like to have a debate not on whether Global Heating is real. but what sort of ideas we got to combat it. Share our knowledge so we all can become better in the new challenges that will appear in the future.

I also believe that gamers / appreciators of digital art have certain amount of experience in Doomsday scenarios. especially those people into JRPG stories. the most famous one being "Final Fantasy VII" Where the company Shinra Co. sucks out the Life force of the planet with a reactors, there are many stories where the world is on the brick of an catastrophic event so I would assume that people experiencing those tales from developers, understands the amount of emotions are created from witnessing such a scenario.

here is a Video i would consider a startup to this discussion:
This thread is for people who have realized that our ways of living are not sustainable and so we want to discuss methods that could make our lives not disastrous but could deplete some of our Consumption and Greed that is created in the name of Individuality/screw you i got mine attitude. Yes i am confronting Individualisme because it has proven to be a failure in many ways. both in terms of brainwashing millions of people by advertisements that makes people feel like they need to consume and get identified as nothing else than a consumer, for the beneficial profits of very few people in the world.

the paradox is also that you can't enjoy it, you don't enjoy those things you buy, they might increase your dopamine creation for a little while but to keep enjoying you need more stuff its a never ending vicious cycle, our brain is relentlessly curious and gets insanely fast bored of doing the same stuff.

So my solution is simple we need Politics that gives people freedom but limits to that freedom. so we learn to appreciate other things than what the advertisement man says to you. we learn to appreciate communities and ones own body, Humans are social beings we go crazy without other human contacts we can compare or exchange information with.


Well lets see where this goes, the fight for our lives has begun.


Once the feedback loop has begun....
 
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The solution to climate change and cheap energy is nuclear power for the time being, with the understanding that solar or other forms of energy might become more feasible with technological development.

Capitalism is still the overall framework that is the best bet to meet people's needs, continue progress, and maintain people's freedoms. However, there are some possible shifts that would make a big difference

One possibility is Andrew Yang's "Universal Basic Income", which he describes as capitalism where the starting point is $1000/month instead of starting at 0. People would still work to live better, but it would relieve the stress of being destitute.

Another possibility is a shift towards inexpensive housing solutions. Some ideas for this are being discussed at the blight authority. We should be able to build simple houses, perhaps from a kit, that would cost extremely little. This would make living on limited income so much easier. The communities the houses are built into could also be intelligently planned with security, heating and cooling, connectivity, and so on. Doing this on a local level rather than in a context of socialism would allow for more flexibility, better local control, freedom for people to choose what they want, and so on.

Steps like this would deliver what ecosocialismish solutions might promise,
 
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🙄 Has it ever occurred to you that the non stop talking of dystopia, “doomsday” and the “oh my god we are all going to die” hysteria doesn’t exactly help your cause?
Ofcourse it has but I still want to see where This leads.
climate science deniers are not encouraged to participate in this thread, as i acknowledged in the OP.
This isnt because i am not acknowledging their position, its because i am more interested in creative inputs from gamers.
That acknowledge the issues rather than having effort less discussion With people who are denying the science.

As i think we have had our share off topics already in that regard. So i am just interested in the creative solutions we can do how can we live, how can we feed, how can we travel All those questions needs to be answered in new ways. If you are a believer of climate science. This thread is for believers that refuse
To go down Without a fight.

Once the feedback loop has begun...
 
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our ways of living are not sustainable and so we want to discuss methods that could make our lives not disastrous but could deplete some of our Consumption and Greed that is created in the name of Individuality/screw you i got mine attitude
it's quite easy and simple. just don't consume so much. re-use things. buy second hand. recycle. prepare smaller meals. share housing. take public transportation. donate to thrift stores. etc. there are so many ways the individual can contribute.

but people don't want that. they don't want to take personal responsibility. "better to pass some bill of legislation and let THEM take care of it. then i can continue living how i want without having to change a thing, but i can consider myself a good person, cos i voted for that bill." it's self delusion.

honestly if people were serious about conservation, there are steps they could take right now. if they were serious about economic redistribution, they could easily go around giving the poor money. nobody is stopping them.

i'd like to see some mass movements around making a difference from a grass roots level. if people really believe this stuff is important then they can start to take daily actions. if they refuse this and simply leave it at the political level, nothing will change. change begins with you.
 
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You come across as an ideologue, dude. Your hysteria in the previous climate change thread was not convincing, and it isn’t here either.
Hysteria? i got no idea what you are referring to.
if hysteria is responding civilly in a decent conversation then i suppose that is hysteria...
but i honestly have no idea what you are referring too.
 
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Hey at this point i'm in favor of the Apocalypse. Bring it on, i'm gonna go pollute something.
You know throwing small see-through plastic bags and makeup cleansers in the ocean or rivers are great ways to kill a bunch of marine life in a very short amount of time.
 
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Hysteria? i got no idea what you are referring to.
if hysteria is responding civilly in a decent conversation then i suppose that is hysteria...
but i honestly have no idea what you are referring too.
Hysteria such as comparing our current situation to final fantasy 7. That's a bit crazy
 
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Hysteria such as comparing our current situation to final fantasy 7. That's a bit crazy
I didnt compare, what i said was that gamers would experience the same sort of emotions and I assume reactionary thoughts to those type of situations and There are count less other stories that speaks of similar doom threats. Where the player is trying the Best to act against the destined path. FF 7 is just a obvious example thanks to its impact and visual presentation making the whole Thing a bit more obvious.
 
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Because you're calling for emotional and reactionary responses to a perceived doomsday threat for which you are using Final Fantasy 7 as an example.
Its alternative ways of reaching to the same message nothing particulary incomprehinsible about that. Beside i thought it was a interesting perspective into our culture and the relations that such experiences can invoke in us.

But im past the thirties. That should give an idea, on the scale.
 
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The worst *mentally ill* Humans are nihilists. Decades ago preachers toured the stupider parts of the USA teaching exactly the same nonsense, except it was 'god' gonna bring down catastrophy on Humanity cos of Human sinning.

This OP dribbler sez the same thing to all intents and purposes, and for the *same* reasons.

In truth the population of the planet is exploding cos Humanity has never been in better control of every aspect of life. Life expectancy (in the second and third world) is zooming upwards, as is standard of living. True, we have the issue of declining Human fertility (the *only* true mega problem), yet if push came to shove we could solve that using tech to enhance natural Human reproduction.

Wasters always want to tell us why the world is going to hell. Funny how people with *brains* and *skills* never preach the same. But then illiterate, zero-skilled wasters are always going to be on the side of the problem, and never the solution.

Now in saying this, I am, of course, ignoring politics and war- since obviously war is a constant threat to the futiure of Humanity, and Hitler, for instance, used many green issues as an *excuse* for telling the germanic people that they should invade and control the resources of their 'feckless' and 'inferior' neighbours.

Our ways of living are not only *sustainable* but they are the *most* sustainable ways yet devised by Mankind. Man's discovery of Nuclear Power means a pretty much forever supply of electricity. But the reserves of fossil fuels are so much greater than we ever realised during most of the 20th Century, and our tech to use fossil fuels *cleanly* has improved to a near infinite degree in the last 40 years.

While the braindead wasters try to suggest that the lifestyle of modern Humans is a curse, i'd suggest anyone here try reading "people of the Abyss" or "down and out in Paris and London". Learn how ordinary people wer *forced* to live only a handful of generations ago. Wasters that start threads like this one depend on you being utterly clueless about your own people's recent History.

Wah wah, people are wasting their lives on phones. Do any of you here think ordinary people lived in an effing paradise even 80 years ago. Do you know how *sh-t* the lives of the working class were for *hundreds of thousands of years*. Just as life becomes wonderful for the vast majority, satanic wasters try to persuade you that all is lost (so you may as well have a great war).

Our control of water, food, fuel, etc is so astonishing, we have literally become like gods. But the epics of old told warning tales of what happened when the gods became *bored*, started taking their lives for granted. Non-creators (like the OP) will happily call anything *boring*, including civilisation itself. The creator gods (in the legends) did not get bored, but their waster kids did- and it was the waster kids wailing at the 'failures' of their parent gods who ended up bringing down heavan each time.

The old saying- the devil finds use for idle hands. Creators are never 'idle hands'. Mouth-breathers who cry "I'm so bored I've got nothing better to do than cram drugs down my throat" know nothing *but* boredom.

I've never been bored for a second in my life (well maybe when stuck at some train station without a book, but you know what I mean). I rally against war here because of how amazing our world actually is, and how astonishing the advances made by mankind. To let the demons take all this away from us by weaponising the *wasters* (have you looked at the types of people who make up the SJW class?) would be yet another example of the barbarian invasion, but on a race ending level this time.

"Burn it down, burn it down, burn it down" howl the wasters. "Our parents were idiots, they turned the world to sh-t" is the universal attitude of these cretins, whether today, two thousand years ago of twenty thousand years ago- for the concept of wasters is nothing new.

And today, *only* the weaponised SJW movement can be powerful enough to enable the great wars the demons crave.

There is *no* climate change problem that wasn't vastly worse in our near Human past. Of course we may have to move some cities due to coastal erosion, flooding, encroaching deserts- this has *always* been the case for the hundreds of thousands of years Humans have existed. The effing Nile lands in Egypt used to be a *green* paradise, for example- not the desert of today. But man didn't make the new deserts of Egypt.

But when a desert takes region X, region Y becomes green and usable instead. Where the east coast erodes, the west coast produces new swamps from once ocean that we can now reclaim. It's an effing *zero sum* game, idiots. Jesus effing Christ- do any of you here *ever* think of cracking open a book- and I don't mean a recent book of fake news propaganda.
 

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The worst *mentally ill* Humans are nihilists. Decades ago preachers toured the stupider parts of the USA teaching exactly the same nonsense, except it was 'god' gonna bring down catastrophy on Humanity cos of Human sinning.

This OP dribbler sez the same thing to all intents and purposes, and for the *same* reasons.

In truth the population of the planet is exploding cos Humanity has never been in better control of every aspect of life. Life expectancy (in the second and third world) is zooming upwards, as is standard of living. True, we have the issue of declining Human fertility (the *only* true mega problem), yet if push came to shove we could solve that using tech to enhance natural Human reproduction.

Wasters always want to tell us why the world is going to hell. Funny how people with *brains* and *skills* never preach the same. But then illiterate, zero-skilled wasters are always going to be on the side of the problem, and never the solution.

Now in saying this, I am, of course, ignoring politics and war- since obviously war is a constant threat to the futiure of Humanity, and Hitler, for instance, used many green issues as an *excuse* for telling the germanic people that they should invade and control the resources of their 'feckless' and 'inferior' neighbours.

Our ways of living are not only *sustainable* but they are the *most* sustainable ways yet devised by Mankind. Man's discovery of Nuclear Power means a pretty much forever supply of electricity. But the reserves of fossil fuels are so much greater than we ever realised during most of the 20th Century, and our tech to use fossil fuels *cleanly* has improved to a near infinite degree in the last 40 years.

While the braindead wasters try to suggest that the lifestyle of modern Humans is a curse, i'd suggest anyone here try reading "people of the Abyss" or "down and out in Paris and London". Learn how ordinary people wer *forced* to live only a handful of generations ago. Wasters that start threads like this one depend on you being utterly clueless about your own people's recent History.

Wah wah, people are wasting their lives on phones. Do any of you here think ordinary people lived in an effing paradise even 80 years ago. Do you know how *sh-t* the lives of the working class were for *hundreds of thousands of years*. Just as life becomes wonderful for the vast majority, satanic wasters try to persuade you that all is lost (so you may as well have a great war).

Our control of water, food, fuel, etc is so astonishing, we have literally become like gods. But the epics of old told warning tales of what happened when the gods became *bored*, started taking their lives for granted. Non-creators (like the OP) will happily call anything *boring*, including civilisation itself. The creator gods (in the legends) did not get bored, but their waster kids did- and it was the waster kids wailing at the 'failures' of their parent gods who ended up bringing down heavan each time.

The old saying- the devil finds use for idle hands. Creators are never 'idle hands'. Mouth-breathers who cry "I'm so bored I've got nothing better to do than cram drugs down my throat" know nothing *but* boredom.

I've never been bored for a second in my life (well maybe when stuck at some train station without a book, but you know what I mean). I rally against war here because of how amazing our world actually is, and how astonishing the advances made by mankind. To let the demons take all this away from us by weaponising the *wasters* (have you looked at the types of people who make up the SJW class?) would be yet another example of the barbarian invasion, but on a race ending level this time.

"Burn it down, burn it down, burn it down" howl the wasters. "Our parents were idiots, they turned the world to sh-t" is the universal attitude of these cretins, whether today, two thousand years ago of twenty thousand years ago- for the concept of wasters is nothing new.

And today, *only* the weaponised SJW movement can be powerful enough to enable the great wars the demons crave.

There is *no* climate change problem that wasn't vastly worse in our near Human past. Of course we may have to move some cities due to coastal erosion, flooding, encroaching deserts- this has *always* been the case for the hundreds of thousands of years Humans have existed. The effing Nile lands in Egypt used to be a *green* paradise, for example- not the desert of today. But man didn't make the new deserts of Egypt.

But when a desert takes region X, region Y becomes green and usable instead. Where the east coast erodes, the west coast produces new swamps from once ocean that we can now reclaim. It's an effing *zero sum* game, idiots. Jesus effing Christ- do any of you here *ever* think of cracking open a book- and I don't mean a recent book of fake news propaganda.
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The worst *mentally ill* Humans are nihilists. Decades ago preachers toured the stupider parts of the USA teaching exactly the same nonsense, except it was 'god' gonna bring down catastrophy on Humanity cos of Human sinning.

This OP dribbler sez the same thing to all intents and purposes, and for the *same* reasons.

In truth the population of the planet is exploding cos Humanity has never been in better control of every aspect of life. Life expectancy (in the second and third world) is zooming upwards, as is standard of living. True, we have the issue of declining Human fertility (the *only* true mega problem), yet if push came to shove we could solve that using tech to enhance natural Human reproduction.

Wasters always want to tell us why the world is going to hell. Funny how people with *brains* and *skills* never preach the same. But then illiterate, zero-skilled wasters are always going to be on the side of the problem, and never the solution.

Now in saying this, I am, of course, ignoring politics and war- since obviously war is a constant threat to the futiure of Humanity, and Hitler, for instance, used many green issues as an *excuse* for telling the germanic people that they should invade and control the resources of their 'feckless' and 'inferior' neighbours.

Our ways of living are not only *sustainable* but they are the *most* sustainable ways yet devised by Mankind. Man's discovery of Nuclear Power means a pretty much forever supply of electricity. But the reserves of fossil fuels are so much greater than we ever realised during most of the 20th Century, and our tech to use fossil fuels *cleanly* has improved to a near infinite degree in the last 40 years.

While the braindead wasters try to suggest that the lifestyle of modern Humans is a curse, i'd suggest anyone here try reading "people of the Abyss" or "down and out in Paris and London". Learn how ordinary people wer *forced* to live only a handful of generations ago. Wasters that start threads like this one depend on you being utterly clueless about your own people's recent History.

Wah wah, people are wasting their lives on phones. Do any of you here think ordinary people lived in an effing paradise even 80 years ago. Do you know how *sh-t* the lives of the working class were for *hundreds of thousands of years*. Just as life becomes wonderful for the vast majority, satanic wasters try to persuade you that all is lost (so you may as well have a great war).

Our control of water, food, fuel, etc is so astonishing, we have literally become like gods. But the epics of old told warning tales of what happened when the gods became *bored*, started taking their lives for granted. Non-creators (like the OP) will happily call anything *boring*, including civilisation itself. The creator gods (in the legends) did not get bored, but their waster kids did- and it was the waster kids wailing at the 'failures' of their parent gods who ended up bringing down heavan each time.

The old saying- the devil finds use for idle hands. Creators are never 'idle hands'. Mouth-breathers who cry "I'm so bored I've got nothing better to do than cram drugs down my throat" know nothing *but* boredom.

I've never been bored for a second in my life (well maybe when stuck at some train station without a book, but you know what I mean). I rally against war here because of how amazing our world actually is, and how astonishing the advances made by mankind. To let the demons take all this away from us by weaponising the *wasters* (have you looked at the types of people who make up the SJW class?) would be yet another example of the barbarian invasion, but on a race ending level this time.

"Burn it down, burn it down, burn it down" howl the wasters. "Our parents were idiots, they turned the world to sh-t" is the universal attitude of these cretins, whether today, two thousand years ago of twenty thousand years ago- for the concept of wasters is nothing new.

And today, *only* the weaponised SJW movement can be powerful enough to enable the great wars the demons crave.

There is *no* climate change problem that wasn't vastly worse in our near Human past. Of course we may have to move some cities due to coastal erosion, flooding, encroaching deserts- this has *always* been the case for the hundreds of thousands of years Humans have existed. The effing Nile lands in Egypt used to be a *green* paradise, for example- not the desert of today. But man didn't make the new deserts of Egypt.

But when a desert takes region X, region Y becomes green and usable instead. Where the east coast erodes, the west coast produces new swamps from once ocean that we can now reclaim. It's an effing *zero sum* game, idiots. Jesus effing Christ- do any of you here *ever* think of cracking open a book- and I don't mean a recent book of fake news propaganda.
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I think many people missunderstand the whole topic ab out climate change and that's why it is so effective for politicians to exploit it.

Of course our climate is changing and of course global temperatures are rising. This is very real. You don't need studies, politicians or scientists to prove it.

The key question is "Who is responsible for the climate change?". There are many known and also many unknown parameters that have an influence on the climate. The CO2 emission made by humans is about 2-3% of the total CO2 emission. It's probably enough to change climate and we should reduce emissions, but it sure as hell won't get any of us or our future generations getting killed by climate change.

This whole "we're dead soon" discussion is hyperbole, created and intensified by our political systems, which gives power to people that can create either the most wealth or fear.
 
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I think many people missunderstand the whole topic ab out climate change and that's why it is so effective for politicians to exploit it.

Of course our climate is changing and of course global temperatures are rising. This is very real. You don't need studies, politicians or scientists to prove it.

The key question is "Who is responsible for the climate change?". There are many known and also many unknown parameters that have an influence on the climate. The CO2 emission made by humans is about 2-3% of the total CO2 emission. It's probably enough to change climate and we should reduce emissions, but it sure as hell won't get any of us or our future generations getting killed by climate change.

This whole "we're dead soon" discussion is hyperbole, created and intensified by our political systems, which gives power to people that can create either the most wealth or fear.
 

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Ofcourse it has but I still want to see where This leads.
climate science deniers are not encouraged to participate in this thread, as i acknowledged in the OP.
This isnt because i am not acknowledging their position, its because i am more interested in creative inputs from gamers.
That acknowledge the issues rather than having effort less discussion With people who are denying the science.


As i think we have had our share off topics already in that regard. So i am just interested in the creative solutions we can do how can we live, how can we feed, how can we travel All those questions needs to be answered in new ways. If you are a believer of climate science. This thread is for believers that refuse
To go down Without a fight.

Once the feedback loop has begun...
I'll bite on your premise:

There's somewhere between 8-10 billion humans living on Earth, at best guess. Less than 2 billion live a "western/modern" lifestyle. The western/modern lifestyle produces a lot of emissions, and consumes a lot of resources. Everyone else lives at varying degrees of consumption/emission below the western/modern level. I think everyone can be onboard up to this point, yes?

Alright, so now the >2 billion are happy, content where they are at. The remaining 6-8 billion are not. They want what the >2 billion have. It's human nature. So, what is the answer? To me, that leaves maybe 6 paths, none of them good. 1 of them will probably be what happens.

1. Ignore the problem; let the 6-8 billion begin to consume just as much as the >2 billion at the top. Peak consumption/scarcity rears its head. War and chaos ensue. Bad choices are all that is left at that point.

2. Drag down the >2 billion! The western/modern lifestyle is unsustainable! Everyone is forced to live a low emission/low consumption lifestyle. Oops, turns out that western/modern farming feeds most of the world at the moment. 5-7 billion people starve.

3. The >2 billion realize they have all the power, and don't want to share. A line is drawn in the sand, and nobody from the remaining 6-8 billion is allowed to cross. Welcome to Elysium!

4. War! What is it good for? Well, killing people, it turns out. Population related crises finally ratchet up tensions enough that "the button" gets pushed. Whoops. Turns out the defenses weren't nearly as good as we thought. Most of the missiles make it through. Hope you secured a bright future with Vault-Tec!

5. We leave! Humanity scales up the space industry enough to get substantial numbers of people off planet. Manufacturing/power generation eventually is done off planet. With the necessary evils of modern life outsourced to non-life sustaining areas, the Earth becomes a place people live in/oversee.

6. Population control, comrade. We decide that the human instinct to reproduce is Problematic. The Grand Chairman of the Peoples' Republic of Communist Earth has declared that P + V :messenger_winking_tongue::messenger_smiling_hearts::messenger_weary:is anathema. This, coupled with the Modern Communist Farming Grand Revolution, has solved all of our population issues!
 
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Let me just say the new Documentary by DiCaprio Ice on Fire is full of hope on all these renewable technologies.
We got plants gene modification, carbon sequestration, sea water energy. no mentioning of Nuclear power which i really like... The risk is just way to high on Nuclear Power to be even remotely a consideration.

However the movie does not respond to all the worries. like how to sustain the ever enlarging population, how to grow enough food, but its a good positive movie that looks on all the things we can do if we got the will to do it.

Eventually i do believe we could get to point where we leave earth. But that future is not in 40 or 100 years from now and it gets slimmer and slimmer and while we pump Methane and Co2 up in the atmosphere.

I am not a progressive liberalist, but i believe climate violators should be called to justice on refusing the science to the public for 100 of years and killing environmental journalists for trying to tell public how they are profitting their business.
 

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The worst *mentally ill* Humans are nihilists. Decades ago preachers toured the stupider parts of the USA teaching exactly the same nonsense, except it was 'god' gonna bring down catastrophy on Humanity cos of Human sinning.

This OP dribbler sez the same thing to all intents and purposes, and for the *same* reasons.

In truth the population of the planet is exploding cos Humanity has never been in better control of every aspect of life. Life expectancy (in the second and third world) is zooming upwards, as is standard of living. True, we have the issue of declining Human fertility (the *only* true mega problem), yet if push came to shove we could solve that using tech to enhance natural Human reproduction.

Wasters always want to tell us why the world is going to hell. Funny how people with *brains* and *skills* never preach the same. But then illiterate, zero-skilled wasters are always going to be on the side of the problem, and never the solution.

Now in saying this, I am, of course, ignoring politics and war- since obviously war is a constant threat to the futiure of Humanity, and Hitler, for instance, used many green issues as an *excuse* for telling the germanic people that they should invade and control the resources of their 'feckless' and 'inferior' neighbours.

Our ways of living are not only *sustainable* but they are the *most* sustainable ways yet devised by Mankind. Man's discovery of Nuclear Power means a pretty much forever supply of electricity. But the reserves of fossil fuels are so much greater than we ever realised during most of the 20th Century, and our tech to use fossil fuels *cleanly* has improved to a near infinite degree in the last 40 years.

While the braindead wasters try to suggest that the lifestyle of modern Humans is a curse, i'd suggest anyone here try reading "people of the Abyss" or "down and out in Paris and London". Learn how ordinary people wer *forced* to live only a handful of generations ago. Wasters that start threads like this one depend on you being utterly clueless about your own people's recent History.

Wah wah, people are wasting their lives on phones. Do any of you here think ordinary people lived in an effing paradise even 80 years ago. Do you know how *sh-t* the lives of the working class were for *hundreds of thousands of years*. Just as life becomes wonderful for the vast majority, satanic wasters try to persuade you that all is lost (so you may as well have a great war).

Our control of water, food, fuel, etc is so astonishing, we have literally become like gods. But the epics of old told warning tales of what happened when the gods became *bored*, started taking their lives for granted. Non-creators (like the OP) will happily call anything *boring*, including civilisation itself. The creator gods (in the legends) did not get bored, but their waster kids did- and it was the waster kids wailing at the 'failures' of their parent gods who ended up bringing down heavan each time.

The old saying- the devil finds use for idle hands. Creators are never 'idle hands'. Mouth-breathers who cry "I'm so bored I've got nothing better to do than cram drugs down my throat" know nothing *but* boredom.

I've never been bored for a second in my life (well maybe when stuck at some train station without a book, but you know what I mean). I rally against war here because of how amazing our world actually is, and how astonishing the advances made by mankind. To let the demons take all this away from us by weaponising the *wasters* (have you looked at the types of people who make up the SJW class?) would be yet another example of the barbarian invasion, but on a race ending level this time.

"Burn it down, burn it down, burn it down" howl the wasters. "Our parents were idiots, they turned the world to sh-t" is the universal attitude of these cretins, whether today, two thousand years ago of twenty thousand years ago- for the concept of wasters is nothing new.

And today, *only* the weaponised SJW movement can be powerful enough to enable the great wars the demons crave.

There is *no* climate change problem that wasn't vastly worse in our near Human past. Of course we may have to move some cities due to coastal erosion, flooding, encroaching deserts- this has *always* been the case for the hundreds of thousands of years Humans have existed. The effing Nile lands in Egypt used to be a *green* paradise, for example- not the desert of today. But man didn't make the new deserts of Egypt.

But when a desert takes region X, region Y becomes green and usable instead. Where the east coast erodes, the west coast produces new swamps from once ocean that we can now reclaim. It's an effing *zero sum* game, idiots. Jesus effing Christ- do any of you here *ever* think of cracking open a book- and I don't mean a recent book of fake news propaganda.
For the record I have better things to do than find work for other people's idle hands. Total misrepresentation.
 

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We could be going into a Grand Solar Minimum. Check out the work of Valentina Zharkova.
 
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We could be going into a Grand Solar Minimum. Check out the work of Valentina Zharkova.
This is fake, we are already in a solar minimum period, and the globe is heating


Btw we are living in a time where There are barely Any big cats left they are All dangered species. Most recently noted are the Lions.
 
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This is fake, we are already in a solar minimum period, and the globe is heating


Btw we are living in a time where There are barely Any big cats left they are All dangered species. Most recently noted are the Lions.
That has more to do with humans destroying their forest habitats for development and poaching/hunting than anything to do with carbon emissions.

Big cats in India, China and the United States have been endangered due to simply towns and cities existing where there used to be wooded areas. As well as farms encroaching on their territory. Big cat eats livestock, farmer kills big cat.

I think you need to re-evaluate your ideology on this because it seems like you simply want to blame "big bad business" like a Captain Planet episode without realizing that population growth has been a major player in this as well.

Infinite population growth unchecked is simply non sustainable for the ecology of our planet within our technology capabilities at this time. As long as it continues to grow unchecked then any sort of combative attempts will ultimately be futile.
 

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honestly if people were serious about conservation, there are steps they could take right now. if they were serious about economic redistribution, they could easily go around giving the poor money. nobody is stopping them.
Because socialism is not for the socialist. It's for everyone else.
 

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5. We leave! Humanity scales up the space industry enough to get substantial numbers of people off planet. Manufacturing/power generation eventually is done off planet. With the necessary evils of modern life outsourced to non-life sustaining areas, the Earth becomes a place people live in/oversee.
moving resources from one planet to another costs a lot of time and fuel. While that can definitely be a temporary solution, we need a more efficient and permanent one. We have to build something closer, bigger, and better. What I’m suggesting, of course, is...




A Halo ring.

Alternatively we could build a Death Star
 
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Because socialism is not for the socialist. It's for everyone else.
If we could stop comparing factual data and results With thoughtful socialisme VS liberalisme imageable war which btw are extremely irrelevant for our time and date right now. We have a extremely serious problem and using labels like socialisme, liberalisme, kapitalisme are just not right because all those ideologies are to old to deal With our New found knowledge.
 
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That has more to do with humans destroying their forest habitats for development and poaching/hunting than anything to do with carbon emissions.

Big cats in India, China and the United States have been endangered due to simply towns and cities existing where there used to be wooded areas. As well as farms encroaching on their territory. Big cat eats livestock, farmer kills big cat.

I think you need to re-evaluate your ideology on this because it seems like you simply want to blame "big bad business" like a Captain Planet episode without realizing that population growth has been a major player in this as well.

Infinite population growth unchecked is simply non sustainable for the ecology of our planet within our technology capabilities at this time. As long as it continues to grow unchecked then any sort of combative attempts will ultimately be futile.
My ideology is fine honestly.
But you are right that pointing only fingers at one group of People like the big business companies are not looking at the entire story.

Extinction is also due to climate patterns shifting so for example water scarcity increasing producing unliveable areas and This is both wild life and people feeling.
 
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I'll bite on your premise:

There's somewhere between 8-10 billion humans living on Earth, at best guess. Less than 2 billion live a "western/modern" lifestyle. The western/modern lifestyle produces a lot of emissions, and consumes a lot of resources. Everyone else lives at varying degrees of consumption/emission below the western/modern level. I think everyone can be onboard up to this point, yes?

Alright, so now the >2 billion are happy, content where they are at. The remaining 6-8 billion are not. They want what the >2 billion have. It's human nature. So, what is the answer? To me, that leaves maybe 6 paths, none of them good. 1 of them will probably be what happens.

1. Ignore the problem; let the 6-8 billion begin to consume just as much as the >2 billion at the top. Peak consumption/scarcity rears its head. War and chaos ensue. Bad choices are all that is left at that point.

2. Drag down the >2 billion! The western/modern lifestyle is unsustainable! Everyone is forced to live a low emission/low consumption lifestyle. Oops, turns out that western/modern farming feeds most of the world at the moment. 5-7 billion people starve.

3. The >2 billion realize they have all the power, and don't want to share. A line is drawn in the sand, and nobody from the remaining 6-8 billion is allowed to cross. Welcome to Elysium!

4. War! What is it good for? Well, killing people, it turns out. Population related crises finally ratchet up tensions enough that "the button" gets pushed. Whoops. Turns out the defenses weren't nearly as good as we thought. Most of the missiles make it through. Hope you secured a bright future with Vault-Tec!

5. We leave! Humanity scales up the space industry enough to get substantial numbers of people off planet. Manufacturing/power generation eventually is done off planet. With the necessary evils of modern life outsourced to non-life sustaining areas, the Earth becomes a place people live in/oversee.

6. Population control, comrade. We decide that the human instinct to reproduce is Problematic. The Grand Chairman of the Peoples' Republic of Communist Earth has declared that P + V :messenger_winking_tongue::messenger_smiling_hearts::messenger_weary:is anathema. This, coupled with the Modern Communist Farming Grand Revolution, has solved all of our population issues!
What i get from your reply is that you think going back to nature and respecting it, learning about it in school is not a solution and is frowned upon like it is some kind marxisme or socialist way of looking at the issue??
 

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What i get from your reply is that you think going back to nature and respecting it, learning about it in school is not a solution and is frowned upon like it is some kind marxisme or socialist way of looking at the issue??
No, I don't think that at all. I also don't see how going back to nature, respecting it, or learning about it in school solves the climate crisis, as framed in your OP.

My reply was just laying out some options as to what would probably happen from here. Some were more "tongue in cheek" than others.

If you want my real opinion on the "climate" (global warming to me more accurate) crisis, I would say that there is no realistic option currently being discussed anywhere in politics, in any government around the world. Everyone is making a lot of noise about it, but not taking steps that would realistically stop the problem, even by their own data.

The crux of the problem isn't pollution or industrial carbon emissions. It's population. There is no way to reduce consumption/emissions coming from 8-10 billion people to the desired levels in the timeframe presented by climate alarmists. Full stop. That is reality.

Now, my question to you would be, are you willing to advocate for the killing of 6-8 billion people? Or willing to advocate for population control ala China's "one child" policy? Even population control via births would not be fast enough, but it falls within the same moral problem. If your answer to those questions is no, then what exactly is your solution? I'm mostly asking, as your premise of "getting back to nature" would require the abandonment of modern agriculture, which is the basis for our current ability to sustain large populations. If we "get back to nature", we go back to supporting approx. 1-2 billion, max.
 
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No, I don't think that at all. I also don't see how going back to nature, respecting it, or learning about it in school solves the climate crisis, as framed in your OP.

My reply was just laying out some options as to what would probably happen from here. Some were more "tongue in cheek" than others.

If you want my real opinion on the "climate" (global warming to me more accurate) crisis, I would say that there is no realistic option currently being discussed anywhere in politics, in any government around the world. Everyone is making a lot of noise about it, but not taking steps that would realistically stop the problem, even by their own data.

The crux of the problem isn't pollution or industrial carbon emissions. It's population. There is no way to reduce consumption/emissions coming from 8-10 billion people to the desired levels in the timeframe presented by climate alarmists. Full stop. That is reality.

Now, my question to you would be, are you willing to advocate for the killing of 6-8 billion people? Or willing to advocate for population control ala China's "one child" policy? Even population control via births would not be fast enough, but it falls within the same moral problem. If your answer to those questions is no, then what exactly is your solution? I'm mostly asking, as your premise of "getting back to nature" would require the abandonment of modern agriculture, which is the basis for our current ability to sustain large populations. If we "get back to nature", we go back to supporting approx. 1-2 billion, max.
Really good question and thanks for putting me on the spot here.

As i kind of agree with your scenario and the consequences of that.

My version is This, if we start building more vertical and housing more people in higher buildings (turning houses into skyscrapers) that should allow us to be able to have more space for trees and food production if the buildings Architecture are With balance og nature in mind.
Again the same should be possible With using ocean and living above the waves or perhaps underwater.
There are some places like siberia and greenland which will soon be habitable for a while.

But some sort of birth control globally needs to be established until we can guarantee stability according to science data.

I do not hope for a global War but a civilian war will eventually break out in the future due to lack of ressources most importantly drinking water.
And increasing desperation from migrants.

In short This thread and me does not advocate the mass killing of People, but controlling and slowly decreasing global numbers are a must.
 
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Remember Kids living in year 2200
This man was main contribution to why your leaving earth behind. I hope you enjoy the last sight of radioactive waste filled, 1000 degree celcius on land earth due to uncontrollable green house gasses killing the eco climate systems that protected us from the sun. Also believe it or not we actually had other life than cows, chickens and pigs in year 2100.
 
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This is fake, we are already in a solar minimum period, and the globe is heating


Btw we are living in a time where There are barely Any big cats left they are All dangered species. Most recently noted are the Lions.
Wrong. And I will ignore your big cats non-sequitur but it certainly doesn't help your credibility.

What do you think of Valentina Zharkova's hypothesis and what do you make of the fact that it is one of the most accurate models created for measuring sunspot cycles and commensurates with natural cycles of heating and cooling of the earth's atmosphere?

Her work is published in Nature. It's not quackery.

You can watch a presentation here:




Also see here, 90 Italian scientists come out against AGW.

In my opinion the scare around AGW is the globalist equivalent of the Reichstag fire. You will know when it's been effective when they start rounding up 'climate change deniers' as enemies of humanity. At that point you will know, but like a good communist you will stay quiet and sacrifice your own sense of truth for the greater good of the big lie, and at least be glad that the world is not heading for conflagration.

I hope it doesn't get to that point. The interesting thing about Zharkova's hypothesis is that according to her model cooling will be very rapid between now and around 2030, so will be hard to deny.

At the moment record breaking cold temperatures are being blamed on a polar vortex. If Zharkova is right, it will keep getting colder and colder, and more and more people will wake up and smell the bullshit, especially when their governments are trying to annihilate them with 'green' austerity measurs that make them unable to live. This is what triggered the Gilet Jaunes protests. The worst interpretation is that the purpose of the AGW agenda is a mass cull of human beings. I don't know if I believe that but it's certainly a possibility that has crossed my mind.

It will be an interesting 10 years.
 

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Ha - with reference to me saying 'You will know when it's been effective when they start rounding up 'climate change deniers' as enemies of humanity' - just seen this:

 
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Wrong. And I will ignore your big cats non-sequitur but it certainly doesn't help your credibility.

What do you think of Valentina Zharkova's hypothesis and what do you make of the fact that it is one of the most accurate models created for measuring sunspot cycles and commensurates with natural cycles of heating and cooling of the earth's atmosphere?

Her work is published in Nature. It's not quackery.

You can watch a presentation here:




Also see here, 90 Italian scientists come out against AGW.

In my opinion the scare around AGW is the globalist equivalent of the Reichstag fire. You will know when it's been effective when they start rounding up 'climate change deniers' as enemies of humanity. At that point you will know, but like a good communist you will stay quiet and sacrifice your own sense of truth for the greater good of the big lie, and at least be glad that the world is not heading for conflagration.

I hope it doesn't get to that point. The interesting thing about Zharkova's hypothesis is that according to her model cooling will be very rapid between now and around 2030, so will be hard to deny.

At the moment record breaking cold temperatures are being blamed on a polar vortex. If Zharkova is right, it will keep getting colder and colder, and more and more people will wake up and smell the bullshit, especially when their governments are trying to annihilate them with 'green' austerity measurs that make them unable to live. This is what triggered the Gilet Jaunes protests. The worst interpretation is that the purpose of the AGW agenda is a mass cull of human beings. I don't know if I believe that but it's certainly a possibility that has crossed my mind.

It will be an interesting 10 years.

To me it really doesnt. Matter if you believe it or not we both die anyway as its already to late to change so have fun while it last I guess.
 
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To me it really doesnt. Matter if you believe it or not we both die anyway as its already to late to change so have fun while it last I guess.
I watched the video. The guy's argument is to repeatedly say 'crazy cockamamie ideas', lump in all sorts of other stuff like HAARP and tooth fairies, then he gets a book out about mathematical modelling of zombies and says here's all these graphs for zombies, then he shows a load of graphs and mumbles his way through them incoherently.

It's not very convincing, lots of flannelling and dismissiveness without any analytic rigour or explanation of the science behind his position, he relies on a bunch of graphs that he doesn't fully explain. With the research I've done elsewhere I already see this guy is not genuinely presenting the hypothesis he is trying to critique. The mathematical modelling of zombies ref is a tremendous self-own, especially given the controversy and modelling failure of climate models using radiative forcing with questionable multipliers of CO2 effect as their basis.

You didn't comment on any of the things I posted, your attitude seems to be resolutely fatalistic, so I guess you just didn't read or watch. Just don't be one of the people rounding other people up ok, and everything will be fine.
 
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I watched the video. The guy's argument is to repeatedly say 'crazy cockamamie ideas', lump in all sorts of other stuff like HAARP and tooth fairies, then he gets a book out about mathematical modelling of zombies and says here's all these graphs for zombies, then he shows a load of graphs and mumbles his way through them incoherently.

It's not very convincing, lots of flannelling and dismissiveness without any analytic rigour or explanation of the science behind his position, he relies on a bunch of graphs that he doesn't fully explain. With the research I've done elsewhere I already see this guy is not genuinely presenting the hypothesis he is trying to critique. The mathematical modelling of zombies ref is a tremendous self-own, especially given the controversy and modelling failure of climate models using radiative forcing with questionable multipliers of CO2 effect as their basis.

You didn't comment on any of the things I posted, your attitude seems to be resolutely fatalistic, so I guess you just didn't read or watch. Just don't be one of the people rounding other people up ok, and everything will be fine.
Did you watch part 2 that puts the nails in the coffin??

And it doesnt matter that the sunspot predictions are correct, because those changes are miniscule compared to the Co2 we are sending up in the atmosphere. Thats the whole point of debunking it. The whole discussion is about a insignificant amount change caused to the atmosphere compared to the effects greenhouse gassens. Can cause, look also at Venus and compare that to Mercury where the difference in celcius is more than 5000 celcius warmer on Venus. Due to greenhouse gassens runwild effect. So Even if the theory and prediction are correct, it turns out the whole theory about it turning earth into a mini ice age is a big fat lie. It is correct what Paul says believing in Grand Solar Minimum is as difused as believing santa exist or tooth faries.
It got nothing to do with the climate emergency we are seeing.

This website does not show a cooling trend https://showyourstripes.info/
 
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Did you watch part 2 that puts the nails in the coffin??

And it doesnt matter that the sunspot predictions are correct, because those changes are miniscule compared to the Co2 we are sending up in the atmosphere. Thats the whole point of debunking it. The whole discussion is about a insignificant amount changes. So Even if the theory and prediction are correct, it turns out the whole theory about it turning earth into a mini ice age is a big fat lie. It is correct what Paul says believing in Grand Solar Minimum is as difused as believing santa exist or tooth faries.
It got nothing to do with the climate emergency we are seeing.

This website does not show a cooling trend https://showyourstripes.info/
The guy claimed sea ice would completely disappear in 2013 and can't even manage his YouTube videos properly - I spent a few minutes trying to find the next part as it's not named the same and not in the same playlist. I watched the video, and am still not impressed. He's clearly emotionally very invested in his ideas, and again he doesn't actually present the full picture of the argument he's trying to critique. If all you do is watch his videos you are not going to have a balanced view of things.

You haven't engaged with any of my points so it seems you're fully locked into your beliefs despite any counter evidence. Other people reading our exchange may have got something out of it. The earth clearly goes through cyclical changes in climate, and we're going through one now. I agree with that. And we're going to have to manage that. But I don't think it's caused by man and it's not the end of the world. What I do think is we need to stop polluting our environment with plastics and pollutants that are harmful to life and biodiversity. That I can get behind. Radically and massively reducing fossil fuel use is going to cause so much misery and suffering for millions of people. Many people are primed to see this suffering as 'worth it' as it's 'saving the planet'. It's a carapace of moral superiority that has been embraced by the state and allows massive, justified power consolidation.

When they start rounding people up to 'save the planet', just don't be one of the people helping. That's all I'm asking of you.
 

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Hello GAF, as a fellow gamer and overall contributor to this industry dominating a large part of my life in particular.
i want to have this sort of thread here on this community, and i would like to have a debate not on whether Global Heating is real. but what sort of ideas we got to combat it. Share our knowledge so we all can become better in the new challenges that will appear in the future.
Unfortunately the best solution that I can think of is that we need to have less humans around.

I wonder does it do any good to combat global heating if we are destined to increase our global population to 10 billion, 20 billion? Is there some kind of cap on how many of us there can realistically be?

How much damage is done by a family of 2 parents and 1 kid versus a family of 2 parents and 3 kids?

People are talking about climate goals but I feel like these would need to go hand in hand with population goals?

Taking the USA as an example. How many people can their cities handle? At what rate is the population growing? Is the population sinking?
To what extent to high population density areas do harm vs low population density areas?

In 1920 you have a US population of about 105 million. In 2019 you are looking at almost 330 million.
Of course there will be consequences when the population expands like that.

I always here people whining about the climate etc but then I see they have 3 kids and 2 cars and I'm thinking it might be impossible for them to actually live in a way that doesn't inherently contribute to the problems they are complain about.

Like taking a walk upstream to do your daily shit in the river in the morning and then walking downstream to complain to the mayor that there's shit in the river. Well, yeah.

What government is going to try and regulate reproduction though? What would even be a reasonable rate?

The best thing we could do is to stop reproducing so much. Dial the population WAY the fuck back and then try to take it from there.

The population of London apparently grows by 120,000 people every year.
Regardless of what we do with recycling, energy and what not that's a need for 120,000 people's worth of food, energy, space, employment, money etc etc.

It's not sustainable. Eventually it will all come to a head and I don't see any other solution than slowing and gradually reversing the population growth before someone somewhere has a more drastic solution.

There are too many of us.
 
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The guy claimed sea ice would completely disappear in 2013 and can't even manage his YouTube videos properly - I spent a few minutes trying to find the next part as it's not named the same and not in the same playlist. I watched the video, and am still not impressed. He's clearly emotionally very invested in his ideas, and again he doesn't actually present the full picture of the argument he's trying to critique. If all you do is watch his videos you are not going to have a balanced view of things.

You haven't engaged with any of my points so it seems you're fully locked into your beliefs despite any counter evidence. Other people reading our exchange may have got something out of it. The earth clearly goes through cyclical changes in climate, and we're going through one now. I agree with that. And we're going to have to manage that. But I don't think it's caused by man and it's not the end of the world. What I do think is we need to stop polluting our environment with plastics and pollutants that are harmful to life and biodiversity. That I can get behind. Radically and massively reducing fossil fuel use is going to cause so much misery and suffering for millions of people. Many people are primed to see this suffering as 'worth it' as it's 'saving the planet'. It's a carapace of moral superiority that has been embraced by the state and allows massive, justified power consolidation.

When they start rounding people up to 'save the planet', just don't be one of the people helping. That's all I'm asking of you.
I Will do what is necessary to survive. As All will do hopefully we never get to that point. We Will know in 3-4 YEARS as the sea ice could be completely gone according to newest data..
Here is video that explains very clearly the most logical 5 climate denier myths.

however i would like to say thanks for responding to this topic.. however as i already said Climate Emergency is here to stay and i do not want to use any energy to dismiss ... CLimate Science..

Paul Beckwith is not a PR man, he is not used to be on Camera, but he knows the science and is always trying new theories and doing climate science. He is quite well into it and i am going to give you the link to the second video where he then debunks the theory. we were discussing.


As the titel says the solar change on climate is so tiny that it has no significant saying against the changes to our climate caused by Greenhouse Gasses.

Now i am not expecting you to believe me, but i am happy you see pollution and biodiversity is a problem.

I advocate that we take better care of our nature and that will hurt our own self interest. but if you can care for other people you can also care for nature. because Caring for nature is caring for other people as well.
 
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The big things are less pollution and less deforestation. Factory smoke and transportation smoke, drilling, all contribute to pollution in the atmosphere and environment. Deforestation for beef and oil products also contributes to this. There are sustainable alternative energy sources like wind power, geothermal power, solar power, and hydroelectric power which can be implemented as a supplement so there isn’t so much reliance on oil and gas drilling. Investing more money in environmental friendly plans will also help.
 

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🙄 Has it ever occurred to you that the non stop talking of dystopia, “doomsday” and the “oh my god we are all going to die” hysteria doesn’t exactly help your cause?
Especially since they've been saying it for the last forty fucking years? First it was another ice age and now we're gonna burn up. I think liberals just took some goth music a little too seriously. Lighten up, fellas.
 
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