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Everyday Doomsday thread.. why is it in Politics? - (Global Emergency/Climate Crisis Thread)

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The worst *mentally ill* Humans are nihilists. Decades ago...
Posts like these are honestly cause for concern. The logistics of fighting climate change will prove to be very challenging by themselves, but fighting mindsets like these is another battle entirely.

I watch a lot of Youtube videos about politics. In just about every issue, I tend to have very conservative views. I despise identity politics along with the SJW movement and the PC culture that's been creeping into our lives during the past 5-10 years. The only issue on which I'm leaning to the left is climate change. I just think generally we should be a lot more proactive in trying to protect our environment. And lately I was surprised to see that whenever I comment on YT videos about climate change, I'm being called a "virtue-signaling SJW stuck on his phone all day trying to get as many likes as possible!" This to me is troubling. I can deal with the insults, I don't care, but I'm worried that the culture war has invaded the climate change debate and that some people are against doing anything for the environment just because it is the standard position to have for conservatives. This will not help us in the long run.

Yes, "doomers" are annoying, but they're not a reason to ignore our responsibilities and I just wish deniers would stop latching on for dear life onto every exaggerated or false statement made, and just start paying attention to what's true, which might not sound quite as sentional but is still very much a cause for concern.

I think the next decade will be crucial. The human race has the ability to change, but it has to be now. Waiting would only mean that the task would be that much more difficult in 5, 10 or 15 years from now.
 
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Posts like these are honestly cause for concern. The logistics of fighting climate change will prove to be very challenging by themselves, but fighting mindsets like these is another battle entirely.

I watch a lot of Youtube videos about politics. In just about every issue, I tend to have very conservative views. I despise identity politics along with the SJW movement and the PC culture that's been creeping into our lives during the past 5-10 years. The only issue on which I'm leaning to the left is climate change. I just think generally we should be a lot more proactive in trying to protect our environment. And lately I was surprised to see that whenever I comment on YT videos about climate change, I'm being called a "virtue-signaling SJW stuck on his phone all day trying to get as many likes as possible!" This to me is troubling. I can deal with the insults, I don't care, but I'm worried that the culture war has invaded the climate change debate and that some people are against doing anything for the environment just because it is the standard position to have for conservatives. This will not help us in the long run.

Yes, "doomers" are annoying, but they're not a reason to ignore our responsibilities and I just wish deniers would stop latching on for dear life onto every exaggerated or false statement made, and just start paying attention to what's true, which might not sound quite as sentional but is still very much a cause for concern.

I think the next decade will be crucial. The human race has the ability to change, but it has to be now. Waiting would only mean that the task would be that much more difficult in 5, 10 or 15 years from now.
the SJW culture has done a lot of damage to Climate change realists, "notice how i don't say Believers... there is absolutely nothing to believe about climate change, it is already here has been here for a few years.. but the next 10 years will be absolutely devastating, and we should do everything to minimize and realize the danger we are in.. we are all in this.. if you have some fantasy boy dream about leaving earth and looking into mars then let me show you a bit of reality of what a mars habitable thing would look like.

People that know me before i went into Doomsday / Climate Emergency territory would remember me as a person that values old traditional values.. and is quite conservative.. about things like Gender equality and progressive movements from the far left. So calling me Communist and socialist is just wrong on many levels....

here are some Core things i admit to.
- Humans are individually different.
- We have two Core genders.
- Star Wars Last jedi sucks... and destroyed the entire franchise for me.
- I believe artist should have freedom to make the stories they want to make , without being concerned about Skin color or Origin.
It is very cool when its done realistically but that is never the case and it turns me off from the focus of the actual message the author wants to communicate.

i follow Ben Shapiro , Tim pool, Jordan Peterson. and i admire many of their views.

So to all those people that has branded me as a Socialist and Communist
Can we just establish that i am as much a conservative as i always been.
Climate Crisis has been a changer,
i have had a twist and acknowledged that if we have limited amount of space, we can't continue embracing unlimited Growth its wrong on many levels and its a big discussion that we need to have about it.
But i don't want to throw out all human freedom. the reality is just that some people have a lot of freedom on cost of some people not allowed any. we can argue to the end of time if they are lazy or just idiots.. or something like that, but this thread isn't about that.

This thread is about Solutions to our biggest existential crisis ever it might be to late.. already but shouldn't we try to do our fair bidding.
Acknowledging the threat is a humble thing to do and i do not request you by acknowledging the threat to change your lives and give all your money to environmental charity instead of cancer.
but just don't spread lies that is all i am asking really.
Admit to the threat and don't spread lies.

final words:
Development has gone to fast, we do not have yet a replacement earth or Mars we can get to..
it will take many years. i believe we get to Mars and we get to the moon. but we won't be doing that if we ignore our currently happening Climate Crisis.
if we continue to ignore we run out of food, and habitable places on earth before we can get the continue to get to Mars.

so we need to really take this issue serious, take care of our only habitable place i don't care about our planet blowing up
if we got a replacement but we don't so we need to act with that in mind until we do

Thank you and everyone else.
 
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Look at how David Attenborough is put on trial on the UK government.. this is just crazy
He is not responsible for the climate catastrophic we are facing..Those people questioning him ARE!

This is a pretty good interview.. of course i am full on realizing now that nothing will be done. - we have at most 4 years before a Blue ocean Event happens. which should increase the sea levels 150 meters high.
Rich people will try and live out there miserable small lives in bunkers with there families. We will never get to the Moon nor Mars.
What we will manage to do is destroy all life on earth and being the main cause for turning earth into Venus.
the final miserable time line is destined to be happening at 2030. we are still allowing Crypto currencies and we are still allowing forests burned for Palm oil.

So everyone reading this just enjoy life. and do what you want to do. it is to late. we are done.
 
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Have some confusion: https://electroverse.net/we-had-expected-more-melting-thick-arctic-ice-forces-norwegian-icebreaker-back/

“We had expected more Melting” — Thick Arctic Ice forces Norwegian Research Vessel and Icebreaker to turn back at Svalbard

The Norwegian research vessel and icebreaker Kronprins Haakon (Crown Prince Haakon) was forced to turn back north of Svalbard after meeting considerably thicker ice than expected.
Thick one-year ice combined with large batches of multi-year ice have merged to form powerful helmets, and several of these are impenetrable to us, said Captain Johnny Peder Hansen.
The ice is still 3m (10ft) thick, in mid-July! Even the researchers’ long special-purpose chainsaws proved hopeless, while the 20,000 horsepower Kronprins Haakon, at a cost of USD $175 million, failed miserably at attempts to push through.

“In the middle of July, we saw a few signs of thawing and [assumed] that spring had come, said Captain Hansen, who for several decades has worked on various vessels in the Arctic. “We had expected more melting.”

Klassekampen, a respected left-leaning Norwegian newspaper writes: “Polar bears were seen on Bjørnøya this past winter –located in the middle of the Barents Sea– which shows that the ice edge was very far south.”
“Winter conditions have changed,” concludes the paper.
 

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Look at how David Attenborough is put on trial on the UK government.. this is just crazy
He is not responsible for the climate catastrophic we are facing..Those people questioning him ARE!

This is a pretty good interview.. of course i am full on realizing now that nothing will be done. - we have at most 4 years before a Blue ocean Event happens. which should increase the sea levels 150 meters high.
Rich people will try and live out there miserable small lives in bunkers with there families. We will never get to the Moon nor Mars.
What we will manage to do is destroy all life on earth and being the main cause for turning earth into Venus.
the final miserable time line is destined to be happening at 2030. we are still allowing Crypto currencies and we are still allowing forests burned for Palm oil.

So everyone reading this just enjoy life. and do what you want to do. it is to late. we are done.
I'd be all on board with you if your argument was "Well looking at the best current data, the ocean looks to have risen 2 inches in my lifetime (guessing you are in your 30's?), so by the end of the century with some acceleration, oceans could rise perhaps 12" - 18" in total, causing some coastal areas to experience more frequent flooding/a move away from the most vulnerable coastlines."

But you lose me at "We have 4 years until the oceans rise 150 meters and kill us all."
 
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I'd be all on board with you if your argument was "Well looking at the best current data, the ocean looks to have risen 2 inches in my lifetime (guessing you are in your 30's?), so by the end of the century with some acceleration, oceans could rise perhaps 12" - 18" in total, causing some coastal areas to experience more frequent flooding/a move away from the most vulnerable coastlines."

But you lose me at "We have 4 years until the oceans rise 150 meters and kill us all."
Agreed its the most pessimistic view but I am also very ill mentally so take what i say With a grain of salt.

Thanks for pulling me a bit down to the ground
 
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I'm sorry to hear about your illness. I hope things go well for you in that regard. I truly wish you the best.

From personal experience with family, I know that kind of illness is no laughing matter. I'd be happy to listen if you ever want someone to talk to.
 

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Life has never been easier and people have never had as much freedom as they do now. So the media has to work overtime to convince us the complete opposite is true. In the past news stories would be about lynchings and race riots, now one guy ranting in a fast food join for 5 minutes is considered evidence that things are worse than ever. It’s not. It’s actually the best it’s ever been
 
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Life has never been easier and people have never had as much freedom as they do now. So the media has to work overtime to convince us the complete opposite is true. In the past news stories would be about lynchings and race riots, now one guy ranting in a fast food join for 5 minutes is considered evidence that things are worse than ever. It’s not. It’s actually the best it’s ever been
you could say if we have to go out we might as well do it in a bang right!
Life is easy never been easier.. and we were stable in population growth when we killed each other over land and resources.
Now we don't fight because our weapon development has become to extreme in effectiveness of killing humans. That is in a way wonderful except we still do fight.. we fight because we caused instability in our climate making the world unsafe people are desperate for water and food in dislocated places due to climate instability and especially the united states has been a key factor in trying there best to help those countries .. survive by little means... however with instability comes corruption and so people in those countries got corrupted so in the end we are where we are now .. still have wars and now we also have a coming extinction where 99% of all life gets destroyed... Air/Ocean/Land mammals.

What will happen is in short amount of time all that life of good and easy.. will become painful.. and it will happen so fast like over 1 year or 2 years. it will go like nothing is wrong. to fight for your own resources. before you can manage to say Here is to my next birthday party.

and you shouldn't get angry at me i am actually just quoting scientific statements... We know the Antarctica got a lose ice on the size of Florida.. waiting to hit the ocean.. we are currently predicting a Blue Ocean Event of ice free arctic in 4 years. Yes its complex structure so give or take a few years.. but i eat my hat that you will feel some extreme consequences of the scientific statements done in 2019 to what we will experience in 2024.

Sorry for being the doom preacher.
 
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I'm sorry to hear about your illness. I hope things go well for you in that regard. I truly wish you the best.

From personal experience with family, I know that kind of illness is no laughing matter. I'd be happy to listen if you ever want someone to talk to.
Thanks for showing concern and also offering help i am currently being treated kindly by some people..
admittedly i most likely am not fit to have this complex issue which (climate/Extinction Crisis) has been integrated to being a part of my daily thought process.

obviously i care a lot for this topic, maybe because i want some sort of greater justice or perhaps because i just desperately need existential identity.
what ever it is that drives, makes me like so many i blame to be a very selfish centered person.
and so i am admittedly not much better than the people i shout at...
still i can't stop doing what i think is morally rightful to do in a situation not when i have the knowledge and has connected the dots.
it would be wrong to do anything else at this point.
 

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If you need to do what is morally right then why are you posting on the internet? Media consumption is a huge driver of energy usage.

Honestly if you aren’t researching recyclable tech or doing something practical all your worrying is a waste of time. Are you personally doing anything of substance to address this issue? If not then why complain about it? You expect others to do it for you?
 
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If you need to do what is morally right then why are you posting on the internet? Media consumption is a huge driver of energy usage.

Honestly if you aren’t researching recyclable tech or doing something practical all your worrying is a waste of time. Are you personally doing anything of substance to address this issue? If not then why complain about it? You expect others to do it for you?
We all start some place.
I want to do the Things you say but I have denied that thought process for a long time.

Secondly My approach is This..
You learn about the issue, then you respond to the issue and finally you act. Personally i am still in the learning part.
 
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I'm a supporter of larger industry changes. I don't think the character assassination of people; specifically farmers, by environmentalists [I also consider myself one] is good. Political partnership in the US has to come from a resurgence of environmental conservationists that USED to be a facet of the Republican party, and frankly is fringe within their group right now in favor of douchetrucks and OG&C supporters.


First step is grid changes. I run on 100% wind to power my home. Easy peasy, not expensive. I think detractors over-emphasize how difficult this is. Coal is on the way out [look at Wyoming's coal industry and the terrible impact the decline in coal combined with Trump's poor management of trade issues for farmers/ranchers is affecting the state], and we need to support those, and all communities with a Green New Deal [I have supported this idea for at least 15 years at this point, and AOC bringing one up was exciting, just horribly misguided]
Second step is planting tons of trees, this is also easy peasy, and some companies, like Patagucci, have actually taken steps to do this. Despite unemployment numbers, we still have massive underemployment of young men, and this would be a cool way to get some people employed.
Third step is the gradual elimination of oil powered vehicles. This is a really hard step, and is one that just can't be forced. President Obama tried with "cash for clunkers" and frankly I don't think that program was a good idea with the MPG benefits actually seen by it. I chose to keep my gas guzzling explorer until something more meaningful will happen. [I'm a mountain driver, so I'm wary of going Tesla]. This needs good research into battery development, and frankly it should be in strong conjunction with government researchers and private partnerships.
Fourth: This is more environmentalism than global warming, but we need sustainable farming practices. I grew up on a farm, I know the damage we did to the environment, because farmers have to. We also owned land that we put into conservation programs - lots of land, for both wildlife and plantlife. We need better farming practices that encourages more multi-crop growth within fields to reduce the need for fertilizers, pesticides, and I'd like to see us do something about tiling and topsoil loss as well, plus a reduction in irrigation practices. We're at a pretty cool time to do this with the growth of interesting food selections. I also think this is important for the health of our waterways. I think we need filter buffers along our riverbeds so we can prevent as much run-off from hitting the water and contaminating it. From an urban perspective, we need to do a better job of not ending up with pharmaceuticals in the water.
Fifth: Plastic reduction: Many of us are working on this right now.
 
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Nothing wrong with trying to reduce your waste, your carbon footprint. But you effectively tune everyone out buy yelling that the sky is falling and everyone is doomed. It's simply not the case.
Not saying that we won't all die in the next 30 years but it certainly won't be due to climate change.
Nothing wrong With optimisme but why do you think the mass extinction event that have started is not as real as the science says it is. Climate unpredictability could cause large shift of panic, desperation in humans so they will Rob and create dystopia. Mean while. We have some huge changes coming fast according to newest sea ice melting data from arctis and antarctica. Which will change the jetstream and it will make the globe much hætter due to zero ice to cool the Earth down. There are many things in this but we are currently not in a bright looking futuristic perspektiv. So why is it you think we might die in 30 years but not dur to global warming. A kind reminder that greenhouse gasses on Venus are making that planet 6000+ degree hot in daytime.
 
Nothing wrong With optimisme but why do you think the mass extinction event that have started is not as real as the science says it is.
Where did I type anything about mass extinction? The earth is changing, always has ,always will extinction is an unfortunate side effect of that process. It would be more logical to blame overhunting than climate change for extinction though.

Climate unpredictability could cause
That's part of your problem though, all sorts of things COULD happen, but will they? Why worry about all the negatives when you have zero control over them

make the globe much hætter
You do realize that "much hotter" is a relative term, we're not talking about your blood boiling we're talking degrees, fractions of degrees. Again,you are not going to change this and is part of the cycle of the planet heating and cooling as it always has. There is a good chance that humans have influenced this cycle to larger extremes but unless you're proposing to cull the herd nothing is going to change this anytime soon.
So why is it you think we might die in 30 years but not dur to global warming. A kind reminder that greenhouse gasses on Venus are making that planet 6000+ degree hot in daytime.
Humans are predisposed to killing each other much faster than letting our environment do it for us. We are much more likely to kill each other than dying due to climate change.
Venus has zero relevance to our environment on Earth, you're all over the map man, take some Valium and sit down and think about what you're most concerned with,your post is next to impossible to read
 
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hi there i found a new youtube channel that looks at old archived videos of old Knowledge that knew of the fact that is happening at this time...

we need to sue the government.

 
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hi there i found a new youtube channel that looks at old archived videos of old Knowledge that knew of the fact that is happening at this time...

we need to sue the government.

Very interesting mashup of clips, thank you for posting it. I always like seeing old videos like that. It's cut up in a way that makes it difficult for the viewer to know what each presenter was making as far as actual predictions, unfortunately. I'm not sure if the people putting the video together did so intentionally to keep people from critically assessing the merit of the video or not.

The one measurable that was mentioned in the video was the West Antarctic Ice Sheet. An interesting article from last year shows that the sheet is believed to have been much smaller in the past, at a time when the climate is believed to have been much colder:

 
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Very interesting mashup of clips, thank you for posting it. I always like seeing old videos like that. It's cut up in a way that makes it difficult for the viewer to know what each presenter was making as far as actual predictions, unfortunately. I'm not sure if the people putting the video together did so intentionally to keep people from critically assessing the merit of the video or not.

The one measurable that was mentioned in the video was the West Antarctic Ice Sheet. An interesting article from last year shows that the sheet is believed to have been much smaller in the past, at a time when the climate is believed to have been much colder:

That article you linked to are really interesting there are some other videos on that channel that contains the video i linked to, which aren't doing the same amount of cuts.
but thanks for following along as i try to find interesting knowledge we can talk about :)
 

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That article you linked to are really interesting there are some other videos on that channel that contains the video i linked to, which aren't doing the same amount of cuts.
but thanks for following along as i try to find interesting knowledge we can talk about :)
I'll have to check out some of the other videos on that channel, then. Thanks for continuing to post things; I enjoy the discussion :messenger_grinning_smiling:
 
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Hi people i want to tell a few things that have happened, these are quite old news.. well last of june..

but apparently there was a article where 34 trillion dollars investing fund has said they are prepared to use that amount on Climate change action.

Im speculating if some of that has been used for this incredible achievement from Ethiopien.

Let me recommend: Our Planet narrated by David Attenborough and Provided by Netflix... the episode Our Open Sea.
is a reminder about Photosynthesis and the unique relationship we have between its different marine life and that it is vital to keep intact the connection between Fish pooh and Phytoplankton.
It is incredible how much more we start understanding the sea.. so it is really essential we start protecting them more.. and restore some of the marine life we got left. like Dolphins and Whales.
but also sharks are vitally important mechanics that has been driven to near extinction levels.


When we travel around on the sea it would be good idea to take these vital elements in mind... because we are doing far more harm to the sea than we actually want to admit.
here is a little video about Phytoplankton.

if others know other interesting videos or how we can use this knowledge to get a more sustainable future.. i am all ears.
 
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Hi people i want to tell a few things that have happened, these are quite old news.. well last of june..

but apparently there was a article where 34 trillion dollars investing fund has said they are prepared to use that amount on Climate change action.

Im speculating if some of that has been used for this incredible achievement from Ethiopien.

Let me recommend: Our Planet narrated by David Attenborough and Provided by Netflix... the episode Our Open Sea.
is a reminder about Photosynthesis and the unique relationship we have between its different marine life and that it is vital to keep intact the connection between Fish pooh and Phytoplankton.
It is incredible how much more we start understanding the sea.. so it is really essential we start protecting them more.. and restore some of the marine life we got left. like Dolphins and Whales.
but also sharks are vitally important mechanics that has been driven to near extinction levels.


When we travel around on the sea it would be good idea to take these vital elements in mind... because we are doing far more harm to the sea than we actually want to admit.
here is a little video about Phytoplankton.

if others know other interesting videos or how we can use this knowledge to get a more sustainable future.. i am all ears.
A couple of links about another facet of CO2:


The impact of greening is usually shown in a negative light, or paired with a "yeah that's great buuuut…", but the science itself is interesting, regardless of the presentation.
 
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Wild fires are also really getting out of hand in the Arctic these days.
This has been going on for some time this month.. but they are still not under control and it is a lot of hectares. and tons of CO2 burning up. so all of this is just Accelerating the warming even more.

here is a video on it that was released today.

I'm sorry but there will be no New Ice Age to think that anything of that sort is going to happen is exactly like believing the earth is flat.
 
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We got alaska being ice free in end of july.


My thoughts i have stopped blaming, i will stop being aggressive about something unavoidable.

I Will however still follow our own demise until the Day i die. So if thats something to follow then bookmark My thread :p
 

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We got alaska being ice free in end of july.


My thoughts i have stopped blaming, i will stop being aggressive about something unavoidable.

I Will however still follow our own demise until the Day i die. So if thats something to follow then bookmark My thread :p
I don't agree with the demise premise, but I'm still reading, brother. :messenger_beaming:
 

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An article with some interesting context in regards to heatwaves:

A good excerpt:
New York City has not had a daily high temperature above 100 degrees since 2012, and it has had only five such days since 2002. However, in a previous 18-year span from 1984 through 2001, New York City had nine days at 100 degrees or higher. When the power went out in New York City earlier this month, the temperature didn’t even get to 100 degrees – it was 95, which is not extreme. For comparison, there were 12 days at 95 degrees or higher in 1999 alone.
Kansas City, Missouri, for example, experienced an average of 18.7 days a year at 100 degrees or higher during the 1930s, compared to just 5.5 a year over the last 10 years. And over the last 30 years, Kansas City has averaged only 4.8 days a year at 100 degrees or higher, which is only one-quarter of the frequency of days at 100 degrees or higher in the 1930s.
Here is a fact rarely, if ever, mentioned: 26 of the 50 states set their all-time high temperature records during the 1930s that still stand (some have since been tied). And an additional 11 state all-time high temperature records were set before 1930 and only two states have all-time record high temperatures that were set in the 21st century (South Dakota and South Carolina).

So 37 of the 50 states have an all-time high temperature record not exceeded for more than 75 years. Given these numbers and the decreased frequency of days of 100 degrees or higher, it cannot be said that either the frequency or magnitude of heat waves is more common today.

The article isn't presented from an angle of denying temperature rise, rather as a rebuttal to the plethora of stories trying to link a heatwave to global warming.
 
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An article with some interesting context in regards to heatwaves:

A good excerpt:
New York City has not had a daily high temperature above 100 degrees since 2012, and it has had only five such days since 2002. However, in a previous 18-year span from 1984 through 2001, New York City had nine days at 100 degrees or higher. When the power went out in New York City earlier this month, the temperature didn’t even get to 100 degrees – it was 95, which is not extreme. For comparison, there were 12 days at 95 degrees or higher in 1999 alone.
Kansas City, Missouri, for example, experienced an average of 18.7 days a year at 100 degrees or higher during the 1930s, compared to just 5.5 a year over the last 10 years. And over the last 30 years, Kansas City has averaged only 4.8 days a year at 100 degrees or higher, which is only one-quarter of the frequency of days at 100 degrees or higher in the 1930s.
Here is a fact rarely, if ever, mentioned: 26 of the 50 states set their all-time high temperature records during the 1930s that still stand (some have since been tied). And an additional 11 state all-time high temperature records were set before 1930 and only two states have all-time record high temperatures that were set in the 21st century (South Dakota and South Carolina).

So 37 of the 50 states have an all-time high temperature record not exceeded for more than 75 years. Given these numbers and the decreased frequency of days of 100 degrees or higher, it cannot be said that either the frequency or magnitude of heat waves is more common today.

The article isn't presented from an angle of denying temperature rise, rather as a rebuttal to the plethora of stories trying to link a heatwave to global warming.
i want to point out there are some kind of odd things going on at the same time as Climate Heating is occurring.
for the instance we got Grand Solar Minimum.. this is true.. but the negative contribution to the climate crisis.. is minimal at best...
however i hadn't been able to figure out if the Climate Change is due to Pole Shift happening i recently read a article

that says a Pole shift is happening in a scale of 7000 years.. however they seem to think this pole shift is occurring faster than previous ones..
a pole shift could mean tectonic plate shift and increased volcanic activities and more earth quakes.. Honestly i have to say that.
the theory of man made climate change is a bit more easy to swallow... than Pole shift happening inside the earth core.. however i am not disputing that could be one other detail in the puzzle
that we are just now learning in 2019. it is hard to know. and harder to prove i would say.
 
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Good day Doomsday people
this is me with a another trustworthy video source
Please subscribe if you care to spread the message and stop the absurd Pseudoscience channels which has pupped up recently
the truth needs to be told.


as always Paul Beckwith and Guy Mcpherson is also great sources that does a lot of good cover up on what is about to happen in our civilizations.

And lets have 1 moment of silence for the Amazonas rainforest.
losing 75.000 square miles. this year. in devastating fire that was human caused/started.
 

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Here's a video in regards to increased CO2, discussing the greening of the earth, changes which will occur to soil moisture and general precipitation. Very interesting in regards to wildfire implications. It's from the perspective of someone who believes that increased CO2 will increase global temperatures, yet believes the benefits will outweigh the costs.

 

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I'd be all on board with you if your argument was "Well looking at the best current data, the ocean looks to have risen 2 inches in my lifetime (guessing you are in your 30's?), so by the end of the century with some acceleration, oceans could rise perhaps 12" - 18" in total, causing some coastal areas to experience more frequent flooding/a move away from the most vulnerable coastlines."

But you lose me at "We have 4 years until the oceans rise 150 meters and kill us all."
This first one if how scientists talk. Yeah if your taking your info from laymen the rhetoric is going to be less nuanced. Fucking duh
 
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glad to see some activity around here..
btw i don't agree with most geologists. they are not looking at the climate the same way as climate scientists are.. in fact most geologists are purely interested in oil and minerals and how you find them or create them. so taking what a Geologist says is like going to a car dealer asking for the best pc hardware.

you get a odd answer but you do get a answer.
 
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this feels like a flat earther thread
Whatever you do, don't summon him here!!

This first one if how scientists talk. Yeah if your taking your info from laymen the rhetoric is going to be less nuanced. Fucking duh
Well one is also likely true, the other is completely false.

glad to see some activity around here..
btw i don't agree with most geologists. they are not looking at the climate the same way as climate scientists are.. in fact most geologists are purely interested in oil and minerals and how you find them or create them. so taking what a Geologist says is like going to a car dealer asking for the best pc hardware.

you get a odd answer but you do get a answer.
Geology is one of the more important fields related to climate science. Or do you think that field as a whole is too "long-term" in their thinking? I could buy that, I guess.
 
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Whatever you do, don't summon him here!!



Well one is also likely true, the other is completely false.



Geology is one of the more important fields related to climate science. Or do you think that field as a whole is too "long-term" in their thinking? I could buy that, I guess.
Something like that. Geologist has no explanation for the thousand of fish dying. They got No explanation for ice melting happening instead they directly lies about reality.
The increased strengt of hurricanes. Is incredible bad news not just for us but for wild lives. Dorian seems to have caused one or more exclusive bird arts to be extinct for instance. We know the increased strengt of hurricanes is due to warmer water in our oceans. Water heated by the sun due to less reflection feedback and more trapping of heat feedback.

Therefor i have a incredible hard time listening to someone telling me that climate change can be Better for plant life. This is only True on a small term. We are past small term. We are in medium term and if i am right we will never experience long term. But at least we have a fight of our lives coming out as species in this medium term of abrupt climate change.
 
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More than 500 scientists and professionals in climate and related fields have sent a “European Climate Declaration” to the Secretary-General of the United Nations asking for a long-overdue, high-level, open debate on climate change.

Just as 16-year-old Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg addressed the U.N. Climate Action Summit in New York accusing world leaders of robbing her of her future, scientists were begging the United Nations to keep hysteria from obscuring facts.

“Climate science should be less political, while climate policies should be more scientific,” the declaration states. “Scientists should openly address the uncertainties and exaggerations in their predictions of global warming, while politicians should dispassionately count the real benefits as well as the imagined costs of adaptation to global warming, and the real costs as well as the imagined benefits of mitigation.”

The scientists underscored the importance of not rushing into enormously expensive climate action before fully ascertaining the facts.

“There is no statistical evidence that global warming is intensifying hurricanes, floods, droughts and suchlike natural disasters, or making them more frequent,” they declared. “However, CO2-mitigation measures are as damaging as they are costly. For instance, wind turbines kill birds and bats, and palm-oil plantations destroy the biodiversity of the rainforests.”

The signatories of the declaration also insist that public policy must respect scientific and economic realities and not just reflect the most fashionable frenzy of the day.

“There is no climate emergency. Therefore, there is no cause for panic and alarm,” they note. “We strongly oppose the harmful and unrealistic net-zero CO2 policy proposed for 2050.”
full letter here
 
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Ipcc has just released There newest report combining from different fields of science to present the most conclusive evidence.



If we lose the ice, we die due to ice providing a incredible fundamental basis ground for life to thrive both due to cooling effect (protecting us from the sun, and also reflecting sun flares back into space) but also due to climate circulation regulations. (water current stability, jetstream stability)

Have a Nice Day and spend wisely.
 
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Cool thread and all but if you’re just gonna ignore counter-arguments like the letter linked by G gunslikewhoa above and continue on your same trajectory, you come across like a crazy person yelling at the moon.
 
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Cool thread and all but if you’re just gonna ignore counter-arguments like the letter linked by G gunslikewhoa above and continue on your same trajectory, you come across like a crazy person yelling at the moon.
Im not ignoring :) i already told that i dont believe in geologists. Because i already told that they are more interested in exploiting earth that is their job. Finding oil and rare metals.
 
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Oh come the fuck on lol
Excuse me for having a filter that neglects economists running climate change video channels on YouTube spreading pseudo science or not listening to website promoting pseudo science where they directly lie to reader like they did about the Michael mann court ruling.
However once There is no doubt about a specific Thing some scientist has written then i listen to it.
Trust worthy sources are important in this internet world where everything Even lies can be presented as facts.
 
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That's really not going to help you jump through the hoops that have been neatly laid out for you.
Stop wasting time, we're all dead by tomorrow.
I hope we dont die by many years.
But This thread isnt for people to convert to believing in climate change. This thread is mostly for people that thinks yes the world is doomed what can we do about it. Solutions rather than using energy on converting climate science sceptics.

Look i already told people to look up these folks. Potholer54, Paul beckwith for constant updated on abrupt climate change. Checking constantly updated on Peer reviewed scientific papers. Provided by NASA and other institutions. I also told people to listen to Guy Mcpherson a person that has scientific degree in biology habitats he should as one of the first person know that our life is doomed due to our way of consumption. And he knows about what makes species go extinct. Loss of habitable place development he is one of the very first scientific persons connecting the dots. Between our way of life and the end result of that way of life.
He has sacrificed a lot in his life friends, family. No one wants to deal With him. Yet he is still right where is the conspiracy Theories surrounding him. ???
 
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The world isn't doomed.
Humanity is doomed.

Here's the zero sum solution: get rid of humanity and you'll have a healthier planet.

You can start with ginger people and that kid that bullied me in school.
 
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The world isn't doomed.
Humanity is doomed.

Here's the zero sum solution: get rid of humanity and you'll have a healthier planet.

You can start with ginger people and that kid that bullied me in school.
We need to determine what world means. Because earth is a rock in space.

Yes the Earth might Carry on as a rock in space unless a asteroid Comes along then earth turns to million of rocks.

But This (Abrupt climate change) is a to stupid way to die (go extinct) just saying, This is borderline suicidal willful ignorance to destroy only home we have.
 
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