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Ex-Labour MPs tell "decent patriots" to vote Tory to stop Jeremy Corbyn from becoming PM

Boss Mog

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Two former Labour MPs today urged 'decent patriots' to vote Tory to stop Jeremy Corbyn winning power.

The extraordinary attack was kicked off by former minister Ian Austin, who quit the party earlier this year in protest at the vile wave of anti-Semitism among activists since Mr Corbyn became leader.
He warned that the veteran left-winger is not 'fit to lead our country' and said people must back the Conservatives. John Woodcock, another ex-MP, then waded in echo the sentiments, saying it was crucial Mr Corbyn does not 'get his hands on the levers of national security and defence'.

The politicians spoke out after the dramatic resignation of Labour's deputy leader Tom Watson threw its election campaign into turmoil.
When you have people that have been Labour their whole lives quitting the party and telling you to vote Tory because of Corbyn, that should tell you everything you need to know about the guy.
 
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Have you seen how they are playing this election? Lab, Libs and Greens are trying to virtually rig voting by not contesting in some areas to win against the Tories.

As much as I hate the Tories, I also believe in fair voting and doing this loses more respect from myself. Given that the Tories and UKIP are the only right leaning parties, these left parties should have more confidence in themselves rather than opting out knowing they can't win but to piss in the other sides cereal.

And yeah, a lot of loyal Labour Voters are not voting for Labour. The New Voters are wishy washy at best.
 
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Not just ex-Labour MPs:



The vast majority of British Jews consider Jeremy Corbyn to be an antisemite. In the most recent poll, last month, the figure was 87 per cent.

Putting oneself in the shoes of another person, or another group, can be difficult. But we believe it is important — and urgent — that you do that. Perhaps the fact that nearly half (47 per cent) of the Jewish community said in that same poll that they would “seriously consider” emigrating if Mr Corbyn wins on December 12 will give you an indication of what it feels like to be a British Jew at a time when the official opposition is led by a man widely held to be an antisemite.
 
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Corbyn and Momentum are a bunch of collassal fucktards. The country is a basket case (mostly due to his inepitude as opposition leader) but it will properly be destroyed if somehow he ends up in Number 10.
 

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As a lifelong Labour voter, at this election I have no choice but to hold my nose and vote Tory (because any other vote gets a Corbyn government).

Additionally, if Corbyn gets in, so do the SNP (it would have to be a coalition with Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, Plaid Cymru) which means we lose Scotland, and with environmentalist nutters in government Extortion Rebellion will shoot their load. On the positive side, such a government wouldn’t last long, and losing Scotland would make the electoral maths more sensible and Britain governable again.
 

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Traditional Labour voter here and it’ll be Boris for me, at least you know what you get when voting Tory all of them are cunts but they’re still head and heels above the communists that want to see the end of the U.K.

I do like my current Labour MP but a vote for them is a vote for commie Corbyn and I live my Country to much to vote for that.
 

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The sad thing is that I still believe there are some genuinely fantastic and dedicated people in the PLP and in the Labour party membership - but they and their name has been tarnished by the far left elements of their party.

I cannot remember a peacetime period where we needed effective opposition in the Commons more than now.
 
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Traditional Labour voter here and it’ll be Boris for me, at least you know what you get when voting Tory all of them are cunts but they’re still head and heels above the communists that want to see the end of the U.K.

I do like my current Labour MP but a vote for them is a vote for commie Corbyn and I live my Country to much to vote for that.
Definitely. Tories have killed more British citizens than ISIS through austerity.
 

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I don’t trust Bojo or Farage anymore. I get the feeling neither of them want Brexit and it’s all a bigger charade which will end with us remaining.
 

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Have you seen how they are playing this election? Lab, Libs and Greens are trying to virtually rig voting by not contesting in some areas to win against the Tories.

As much as I hate the Tories, I also believe in fair voting and doing this loses more respect from myself. Given that the Tories and UKIP are the only right leaning parties, these left parties should have more confidence in themselves rather than opting out knowing they can't win but to piss in the other sides cereal.

And yeah, a lot of loyal Labour Voters are not voting for Labour. The New Voters are wishy washy at best.
Is it really that unfair in a majority voting system that if you want to cooperate, to not put candidates that have no chance of winning in districts, where a candidate from a politically close party has a devent chance of winning? I think this is a valid tactic. And in fact, all the crying about third parties in the US is exactly because of that: Putting a candidate in a district where there is absolutely no chance of winning means weakening your own political camp. Same thing applies with Conservatives and Brexit party of course: If they can find an arrangement in some districts, that is also totally fair.
 
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As a lifelong Labour voter, at this election I have no choice but to hold my nose and vote Tory (because any other vote gets a Corbyn government).

Additionally, if Corbyn gets in, so do the SNP (it would have to be a coalition with Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, Plaid Cymru) which means we lose Scotland, and with environmentalist nutters in government Extortion Rebellion will shoot their load. On the positive side, such a government wouldn’t last long, and losing Scotland would make the electoral maths more sensible and Britain governable again.
I'm envious. I wish the US had such an easy way to balkanize.
 
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Does any one know how proxy voting works regarding the district your vote counts in?

I’d like a buddy of mine to vote for me, but he lives in a secure labour seat. Don’t want to throw my vote down the toilet.
 

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Definitely. Tories have killed more British citizens than ISIS through austerity.
Monetary policy based on reality may have short-term drawbacks, but Corbyn praised Chavez as the best alternative to Tory austerity. Now Venezuela has hyperinflation and people eating out of dumpsters. Sometimes I wonder if the right wing accelerationists have a point...
 
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That actually sounds like a legit tactics.

Although I thought Labour had no chance.
It is probably legit but not morally so if you really are a Green/Lib Voter.


Is it really that unfair in a majority voting system that if you want to cooperate, to not put candidates that have no chance of winning in districts, where a candidate from a politically close party has a devent chance of winning? I think this is a valid tactic. And in fact, all the crying about third parties in the US is exactly because of that: Putting a candidate in a district where there is absolutely no chance of winning means weakening your own political camp. Same thing applies with Conservatives and Brexit party of course: If they can find an arrangement in some districts, that is also totally fair.
Given that Democracy means that you can vote for even those who cannot win, manipulating this is how you can obtain extremist parties to enter the fray.

I am a Green Voter, and knowing that they won't contest in other places is pretty frustrating given that they are supposed to represent people in the country regardless where you are from.

Brexit Party will contest in Tory locations, so there is no tactics between those parties.
 

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I am a Green Voter, and knowing that they won't contest in other places is pretty frustrating given that they are supposed to represent people in the country regardless where you are from.
In a majority voting system, representation of local non-majority opinions just does not happen either way.

Brexit Party will contest in Tory locations, so there is no tactics between those parties.
Yes, they did not find an agreement, so they will contest. But if they were to find an agreement and did use such tactics, that would also be absolutely fair in such a voting system.
 
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In a majority voting system, representation of local non-majority opinions just does not happen either way.

Yes, they did not find an agreement, so they will contest. But if they were to find an agreement and did use such tactics, that would also be absolutely fair in such a voting system.
FPTP is an awful way of representing the people in my honest opinion. People call the votes "Wasted" but if you believe in it then it it not wasted.

I don't think the Brexit party will move aside for the Tories even if they knew that Constituency was for Brexit.

I don't think backing out to let someone else win is democratic. That is my PO.
 

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The Brexit party may not want to stand aside for the Tories, but it won't stop them doing some kind of deal to promote their voters to vote Conservative in some constituencies. It sounds like there's some kind of dealing in the background behind the Cons and BXP lot, and Farage and co are in danger of not seeing any kind of Brexit at all if Boris doesn't get a majority - so it really depends on them to to make a call in areas where it matters.

Of course, with the advent of the Remain Alliance, this just makes such a deal more palatible now. And it also means Labour have the potential to get even more fucked due to their insistence to sit on the fence about the single biggest political issue in several generations.
 

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Traditional Labour voter here and it’ll be Boris for me, at least you know what you get when voting Tory all of them are cunts but they’re still head and heels above the communists that want to see the end of the U.K.

I do like my current Labour MP but a vote for them is a vote for commie Corbyn and I live my Country to much to vote for that.
Spoken like a true patriot.
 
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I don't think backing out to let someone else win is democratic.
Say you have 3 parties, A, B1 and B2.
B1 and B2 are different, but quite close and both are far from party A.

A has 40%
B1 and B2 have 30% each.

Do you think it is more democratic/"moral", if party A wins, even though majority of voters oppose it?
 
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Say you have 3 parties, A, B1 and B2.
B1 and B2 are different, but quite close and both are far from party A.

A has 40%
B1 and B2 have 30% each.

Do you think it is more democratic/"moral", if party A wins, even though majority of voters oppose it?
Yes, because it's a choice between the Voters to choose if Party B1 or B2 have a better chance of winning. It is not really a moral choice in this case because if you believe in Party B1 more than B2 even if they have a smaller majority, then you will Vote for them. Most people will choose the likeliest Party to win regardless. (in this case, that would be Labour)

That is how the Tories work anyway, because they are the only serious Right Winged Party, they sadly have the majority of Candidates vs Labour, Libs and Greens.

I personally don't want the Tories to win, but there is more variety in Left Wing Politics, which is why it is more segregated than the Right Wing, and has less chances of winning overall.
 
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Another election, another cycle of the main focus being about Brexit, Why?

It's happening, so do it. The other parties shouldn't be voted in democratically to overturn a democratic vote, not only does that open the can of worms of "If my Brexit vote didn't count, why does my election vote?", it also hides useless parties' unrealistic policies of the future, behind "we will cancel Brexit"

I want the parties so stand and be voted on their own merit, not on some boys club of remain vs leave.

Some of us couldn't give a fuck about Brexit either way, but I sure as shit care about the NHS, my pay and public services.
 

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Say you have 3 parties, A, B1 and B2.
B1 and B2 are different, but quite close and both are far from party A.

A has 40%
B1 and B2 have 30% each.

Do you think it is more democratic/"moral", if party A wins, even though majority of voters oppose it?
Never think too hard about democracy, or the cracks will begin to show and keep you up at night.
 
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Never think too hard about democracy, or the cracks will begin to show and keep you up at night.
Indeed. It’s imperfect, like all human creations, but we don’t have a better alternative. FPTP is bad at representing the exact vote share but it generally gets a stable government formed by the biggest party. Recent years haven’t worked in part because Scotland has gone to a 3rd party that isn’t running in the rest of the uk, which makes Britain ungovernable, but if Scotland gets independence or starts actually noticing the SNP’s incompetence in its handling of the devolved Scottish Parliament then that will get fixed.
 

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Once again neoliberals prove that they're rightwing lying snakes LARPing as "left" that only show their true nature when they face real leftists. And just like the DNC they'd rather have rightwingers in power than an actual leftist.

Despite all their moral grandstanding, support of "diversity and equality" they're nothing but rightwingers hiding behind identity politics like cowards to divide and distract. I'm a socialist and have more respect for rightwingers than these scumbags.
 
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I can't help but think that the cunt is a Russian plant, sometimes. His pledge to remove our nuclear deterrent will leave us open to Russian occupation and there's nothing anyone could do to stop them, a la Ukraine.
 
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I can't help but think that the cunt is a Russian plant, sometimes. His pledge to remove our nuclear deterrent will leave us open to Russian occupation and there's nothing anyone could do to stop them, a la Ukraine.
I still find it insane that Ukraine gave up their nuclear arsenal when they gained independence.
They were foolish enough to trust that the UN and western nations would protect them. We shouldn’t do the same. A nuclear deterrent is the only thing that guarantees independence for the future.
 
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I still find it insane that Ukraine gave up their nuclear arsenal when they gained independence.
They were foolish enough to trust that the UN and western nations would protect them. We shouldn’t do the same. A nuclear deterrent is the only thing that guarantees independence for the future.
And no one stepped in under hint of a nuclear retaliation by Putin. And just loo at our strategic positioning in Europe...
 
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