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Ex-Muslim: “Swedes will lose Sweden in 50 years”

Boss Mog

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https://www.ingridochmaria.se/2018/09/17/ex-muslim-mona-walter-swedes-will-lose-sweden-in-50-years/

Mona Walter is a Somali woman who came to Sweden in the 90’s. In Somalia, she had never been religious, but here she was more or less forced to go to the mosque and wear a hijab. After a couple of years she rebelled, left Islam and became an atheist. Eventually she came to believe in Jesus and converted to Christianity.

– For many years I have tried to get the Swedes to understand what the Muslim goal is – to take over your country. The first thing they will do is demand sharia courts, just like in the UK.

Swedes turn away from her message

But the mainstream media does not want to listen to Mona Walter. They call her controversial and most Swedes turn away from her message, which they perceive as too frightening.


– Swedes are so convinced that Swedish laws will always apply in their country. But ask any Englishman if he 30 years ago would have believed that Britain would have legal sharia courts in 2018. No one would have thought it possible.


– If Sweden recognizes Sharia courts the Muslims will have new demands, like permission to rule their own enclaves without interference from the Swedish society. The end goal is for Sharia to rule all of Sweden. If there, perchance, are any blond and blue-eyed Swedes left at that point it doesn’t matter – they will all be behind niqabs and burkas by that time.


– What Muslim MPs want is to change the laws so that Muslims in Sweden get permission to live under Sharia law. They want to rule their own areas without having to obey the secular laws of Sweden. That is the long-term goal and Islam has lots of patience. As they say: “You have the watches, but we have the time”.
Here you have a brave woman willing to risk her life by speaking up against islam and trying to warn Swedes but they won't even listen to her. Also notice how in Somalia she wasn't forced to be very religious or wear the hijab but in Sweden she was. This completely dispels the notion that muslims coming to the west will become less radical and adopt Western values, it's in fact the complete opposite.
 
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llien

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Thanks. That's good and all, but ignores the following:
Top 10 largest foreign born persons in Sweden:
That's about 1 million of people. Out of them, only about half come from Muslim countries.
Average fertility rate for Syrian women is about 2.5.

As seen in German stats, there is very little difference in fertility rate difference between Eastern/Western Germany (and it is in favor of Eastern Germany), but most of the Turks (about 6+ million) live in Western Germany at around 1.6.
That is much lower than in Turkey (2.14)

So, well, people growing in othe rcountries tend to... change, and become more like locals.
 

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Thanks. That's good and all, but ignores the following:
Top 10 largest foreign born persons in Sweden:
That's about 1 million of people. Out of them, only about half come from Muslim countries.
Average fertility rate for Syrian women is about 2.5.

As seen in German stats, there is very little difference in fertility rate difference between Eastern/Western Germany (and it is in favor of Eastern Germany), but most of the Turks (about 6+ million) live in Western Germany at around 1.6.
That is much lower than in Turkey (2.14)

So, well, people growing in othe rcountries tend to... change, and become more like locals.
excuse me?

In Germany now more than 50% of Children under 15 are migrant children now. In NRW it is even "worse"

In 932 der 2787 Grundschulen im Land stammt mindestens jeder zweite Schüler aus einer Familie mit Migrationshintergrund. Auf 56 Schulen gehen fast ausschließlich Kinder mit einem Migrationshintergrund – der Anteil liegt bei 90 bis 100 Prozent.
https://www.welt.de/regionales/nrw/article173568630/Migration-Zuwandererkinder-an-vielen-NRW-Schulen-in-der-Mehrheit.html

We know have serious problems with children not even can speak a basic level of German anymore in schools which also lowers the level of education.
 
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In Germany now more than 50% of Children under 15 are migrant children now. In NRW it is even "worse"
Source? (and how come I don't notice that neither in schools nor in kinder gardens?)
 
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Maybe if fertile whites spent less years partying and more years making a lifelong commitment to build a family they would be able to prop back up their numbers.

Hashtag just sayin.
In the UK the NHS actually tells English men and women not to have kids.

It's pretty much saying go on and have fun, don't worry muslims will pick up the slack in birthrates.

https://www.welt.de/regionales/nrw/article173568630/Migration-Zuwandererkinder-an-vielen-NRW-Schulen-in-der-Mehrheit.html

We know have serious problems with children not even can speak a basic level of German anymore in schools which also lowers the level of education.
I was reading an article the other day that said how 5th grade math test scores in France had dropped tremendously in the last 30 years, and they were going on about trying to find out why, all the while ignoring the elephant in the room, it's just pathetic at this point.
 

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Source? (and how come I don't notice that neither in schools nor in kinder gardens?)
Can not find the 15 year old one but this is as good.

https://www.freiewelt.net/nachricht/42-prozent-der-unter-6-jaehrigen-kinder-in-westdeutschland-haben-migrationshintergrund-10076058/

42% of children under 6 years a a migration background. On the countryside it is mode like 20% but in cities in NRW it is sometimes even over 50%. in NRW are now schools with 90% migration background. I also posted a while back a study which showed that children that less and less children in NRW can speak basic German., I think it was 16% who can a basic level of German

More also here
http://www.bpb.de/nachschlagen/datenreport-2018/bevoelkerung-und-demografie/277838/kinder-mit-migrationshintergrund
 

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Maybe if fertile whites spent less years partying and more years making a lifelong commitment to build a family they would be able to prop back up their numbers.

Hashtag just sayin.
Yeah, this is the problem. Affluence and the freedoms brought about by increasingly liberal attitudes across Western Europe have done a number on its white population.
I don't see this attitude changing. I think a lot of young white people in these countries just don't care. All they want to do is to have fun and change sexual partners frequently. That survival instinct to build something long-term isn't there.
 
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The people make the country not the other way around. This idea that you can keep white European culture even as the demographics change is pure hubris. It's all a numbers game at the end of day.
REEEEE would have a melt down if you mass migrated millions into Japan. They tried with the 2nd and 3rd gen Japanese-Brazilians in the 90s. It didn't work.

Maybe if fertile whites spent less years partying and more years making a lifelong commitment to build a family they would be able to prop back up their numbers.

Hashtag just sayin.
As the above poster pointed out.. we're told of overpopulation and to stop having kids etc and then wonder how we're going to fill the coffers of the socialist ponzi schemes. Oh right, we'll just import the workers.

Will there still be a swedish bikini team?
Swedish Bikini team? No.
Swedish Burka team? Yes.
 
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Dunki

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Nah, "as claimed by »Welt-Online« und »Breitbart News« ", following link, we figure Deutschland gewinnt so viele Einwohner über Migration wie durch Geburten (number of new born roughly matched number of migrants).
Apples and oranges.
No this does not change much. These children born here still have a migration background. Important part is background and the problem is that these children do not learn a basic level of German anymore.

And your article states the same
In den westdeutschen Bundesländern haben dem Statistischen Bundesamt zufolge bereits 42 Prozent der unter Sechsjährigen einen Migrationshintergrund.
 
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llien

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No this does not change much.
Sorry but there is a huge difference.
There was a large wave of refugees and of course it could be comparable to the number of newborn.

...the problem is that these children do not learn a basic level of German anymore...
When my kids speak to each other, they speak German, not hte language their parents speak.
Just think about it: most of the day school/kindergarden kid is spending with his German speaking peers.
The only way for a kid grown up in Germany not to learn German is to grow up in some getto, I guess.
I can't imagine how that could work in Germany, wouldn't authorities come after you, if you don't let your kid go to school?
 

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Sorry but there is a huge difference.
There was a large wave of refugees and of course it could be comparable to the number of newborn.


When my kids speak to each other, they speak German, not hte language their parents speak.
Just think about it: most of the day school/kindergarden kid is spending with his German speaking peers.
The only way for a kid grown up in Germany not to learn German is to grow up in some getto, I guess.
I can't imagine how that could work in Germany, wouldn't authorities come after you, if you don't let your kid go to school?
Example
https://www.waz.de/staedte/essen/jedes-dritte-kita-kind-in-essen-spricht-kaum-deutsch-id213275233.html every third child in Oberhausen

https://indexexpurgatorius.wordpress.com/2019/02/13/in-duisburg-sprechen-nur-8-der-kinder-deutsch/ Duisburg 8%





https://www.bz-berlin.de/berlin/so-viele-schueler-sprechen-zu-hause-nicht-deutsch

You want more examples?

We even had politicans demading to abolish english in early years and including turkish so that children can speak with each other
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article188505867/Nordrhein-Westfalen-Tuerkisch-statt-Englisch-in-der-Grundschule-Absolut-antiintegrativ.html
 
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Key here is "Erstklassige". Because later on, ya know.
I didn't speak German to either of the kids, also because I didn't want them to repeat my mistakes or pick up my accent (I mostly speak English at work)

I also wonder what exactly does "kein Deutsch" mean.
When my colleague talks to his relatives he doesn't speak German, he speaks dialect and I can rarely understand a word.


You want more examples?
I want an example of people into 5th year managing not to speak German.
There surely will be some, but it will be in single digit % area, or a fraction of it.
 

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Key here is "Erstklassige". Because later on, ya know.
I didn't speak German to either of the kids, also because I didn't want them to repeat my mistakes or pick up my accent (I mostly speak English at work)

I also wonder what exactly does "kein Deutsch" mean.
When my colleague talks to his relatives he doesn't speak German, he speaks dialect and I can rarely understand a word.



I want an example of people into 5th year managing not to speak German.
There surely will be some, but it will be in single digit % area, or a fraction of it.
5th grade or 5th year? 5 year I already gave you an example...
 

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You mean polish people, since they make up the largest share of migrants to the UK.
Yes because we all know that muslims come from a single country right?:pie_eyeroll:

So yes while the country with the most immigrants to the UK is Poland (911,000 according to wiki), there's still more than double the amount of muslims than Poles living in the UK (2,660,116 according to wiki), probably even a lot more than that since we know the EU lies about muslim demographics in its statistics.

Also the birthrate of Polish women is far lower than that of muslim women, so your point is even more moot.
 

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5th grade or 5th year? 5 year I already gave you an example...
5th grade.
5 year old kid might be sitting at home with parents who themselves don't speak German (e.g. kids of my English colleagues)
 

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5th grade.
5 year old kid might be sitting at home with parents who themselves don't speak German (e.g. kids of my English colleagues)
Sorry I can not find it anymore.. I will take a another look tomorrow since I am 100% I have read about it a month or two ago.

In the end it should be MANDATORY to be able to speak a low level of German when you want to migrate into Germany. If you can not pass a certain easy test after 2 years you should be deported. Just like in Countries like Denmark or Canada
 
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When was the last time in human history a culture collectively committed suicide?
It's almost like these people have some sort of "woke" sickness. I read a story about a woman in Sweden who hosted some migrant who proceeded to rape her 12 year old daughter and this woman fought for the migrant not to be deported. I mean seriously WTF?

I also read this story about some somali migrant in the UK who gang raped a 16 year old and who was being deported that had his deportation stopped by passengers on the plane. Truly disgusting, they all deserve to be in prison as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Maybe if fertile whites spent less years partying and more years making a lifelong commitment to build a family they would be able to prop back up their numbers.

Hashtag just sayin.
Whites shouldn't even be forced to have 2x more children.

Plenty of European countries are much more smaller than the entire state of Texas.




It's immigration that fucks with this.

Like look at Germany's population. There's already 82 million people living there. I can't see the benefit of wanting to cram 200 million more people there plus the entire third world continue to migrate there.
 
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Maybe if fertile whites spent less years partying and more years making a lifelong commitment to build a family they would be able to prop back up their numbers.

Hashtag just sayin.
Better yet, don't FORCE the native population into a demographic war, fought through birth rates, in order to justify their continued existence as an unquestioned majority in countries their ancestors built.
Some seem to believe mass immigration was democratically voted upon, it never was, and if a referendum had been held 70 years ago, there's not a chance an American or European citizen with common sense would have traded their ability to make decisions regarding their future in favor of being ruled, through democracy, by a new, eventual majority.
 

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It's almost like these people have some sort of "woke" sickness. I read a story about a woman in Sweden who hosted some migrant who proceeded to rape her 12 year old daughter and this woman fought for the migrant not to be deported. I mean seriously WTF?
A combination of out-group fetishization and a socially engineered hatred of one's in-group.
The sort of rhetoric that has been inculcated by western European populations is so incredibly poisonous that people are trading away the futures of their progeny in favor of foreign peoples.
 

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When was the last time in human history a culture collectively committed suicide?
I dunno, I'm not even white and I'm in the same boat as this woman. It's a matter of self-preservation. I like the status quo as-is right now. I just see it as more of this inter-sectional bullshit that wants to destroy western culture in the hopes of replacing it with what? A fairer culture? It's like in their minds that society can only get better and not worse. It reminds me of the Iranians who wanted anything but the Shah that it couldn't get any worse. We all know what happened there.
 
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I dunno, I'm not even white and I'm in the same boat as this woman. It's a matter of self-preservation. I like the status quo as-is right now. I just see it as more of this inter-sectional bullshit that wants to destroy western culture in the hopes of replacing it with what? A fairer culture? It's like in their minds that society can only get better and not worse. It reminds me of the Iranians who wanted anything but the Shah that it couldn't get any worse. We all know what happened there.
(I'm using 'you' in this post in a general sense, not specifically you)

In my opinion it doesn't matter what your skin color is, if you're a red-blooded American who had the misfortune of losing the geographical lottery I want a competent immigration system to bring you here. I want every entrepreneur, genious, innovator, inventor, creator, hard worker, etc. worldwide to be welcomed home to the bosom of American opportunity. I don't want freeloaders, the apathetic, or those who expect me to conform to their cultural expectations.

Give me an immigration system like the Faschist nightmare to our North, the Canadians who have the audacity to base their immigration system (on paper) on the skills of the immigrants that will benefit Canada.
 

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Nah. A lot of immigrants in Sweden aren't muslims. What could happen is country inside country scenario. Where muslims from Sweden in masse move to certain area and it becomes governed by sharia law. Malmo is already 20% muslim for example. As multicultural tensions grow I can see more muslims moving there to escape harsh treatement and at the same time non-muslims moving out,.
 
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I want an example of people into 5th year managing not to speak German.
There surely will be some, but it will be in single digit % area, or a fraction of it.
I can't speak to this, but I can say based on my research having a significant percentage of children entering kindergarten that do not speak the native language harms education for all. This requires significant time, resources, and training many school districts simply can not handle. I do not know what % becomes unmanageable, but I can say it contributes to the breakdown of education for all.

When was the last time in human history a culture collectively committed suicide?
I know this was rhetorical but I like the question so treated it as a thought experiment.

My answer is Japan, though it was only attempted suicide and they bounced back quickly. Perhaps illustrated best by kamikaze fighters, the same honor culture that led to that symbolizes the entirety of WW2 from Pearl Harbor on. Culturally unwilling or unable to recognize that defeat was in the cards, to the point that the US ultimately nuked multiple cities [which was in large part a display of power to other nations, but regard another thread].

There are parallells to be drawn.
 

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It is an easy solution, if Swedens just bit the bullet and let themselves be called "racist"; mass deportations.
 

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I thought Muslims came to Europe for a better life.

And now they want to turn it into the same shit they fled of in the first place?
 
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So we are now using random individuals and their personal opinions as sources for threads? Really? Thats where Gaf is now? I mean I get that sometimes Afro feels the need to make baseless threads based on no factual information, but I expect that at this point. But this? This is one person's opinion and as far as I can see no reputable outlet has published her opinion. Its just someone giving their opinion and you are treating it as gospel because you like what she is saying.


Might as well use Facebook posts at that point.

This completely dispels the notion that muslims coming to the west will become less radical and adopt Western values, it's in fact the complete opposite.
This doesn't dispel shit. This is one person's opinion. Their opinion is not fact just because you like what they have to say. This would be like me making a thread about a former Trump Supporter saying that Trump and his entire Base is racist and then pretending that its is concrete fact and that it proves that Trump is a white supremacist. I would catch a virtual shit-ton of flack for even trying to do that because thats not how it works.


You need just a bit more information and proof than that for the opinion to be worth anything.
 
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The whole idea that Europe should be concerned about population decline and therefore immigration is a good thing is an economic motivator devoid of any rhyme or reason when it comes to long term sustainability and regional carrying capacity. The 1st world is built on an infrastructure system principally fuelled by fossil fuels, that will not last, and despite pipe dreams of us all driving electric cars, fundamentally at this point in time we do not possess the means to generate remotely enough electricity via renewables to even replace current levels of Fossil fuel use, let alone down the road when the need is more pressing. If anything Europe and the rest of the world should be looking wholesale at promoting active population reduction in the long term, if we don't want to complete fuck the planet over wholesale, and ourselves in the process.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrying_capacity
 
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Yes because we all know that muslims come from a single country right?:pie_eyeroll:

So yes while the country with the most immigrants to the UK is Poland (911,000 according to wiki), there's still more than double the amount of muslims than Poles living in the UK (2,660,116 according to wiki), probably even a lot more than that since we know the EU lies about muslim demographics in its statistics.

Also the birthrate of Polish women is far lower than that of muslim women, so your point is even more moot.

So what's your issue , most of those Muslims are born here. Those NHS leaflets you posted would also apply to them aswell.

Not thinking logically are you now.
 
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So what's your issue , most of those Muslims are born here. Those NHS leaflets you posted would also apply to them aswell.

Not thinking logically are you now.
No, those posters don't apply to them as most muslim women don't go out partying in high heels. The ad is specifically targeting non muslim women. Meanwhile mosques and madrassas (some of which probably receive government funding even though they shouldn't) tell muslim girls and women not to work and to focus only on having kids.

And if you don't want to take our word for it because we know your code says: white people = always bad, brown people = always good, well then maybe you'll take the word of a black man who could possibly become the next pope.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/catholic-cardinal-calls-mass-migration-a-new-form-of-slavery-says-bible-shouldnt-be-used-to-justify-it
He certainly has my vote for pope and I'm an agnostic.
 
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