travisbickle
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Why didn't they announce the 12gb RAM 1 month ago at E3, or have they decided and changed it in the last month?
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Examiner Rumor: Xbox One GPU upclock yay - 12 GB Ram probably nay (source is NOT B3D)
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Pure fantasy land!
Why didn't they announce the 12gb RAM 1 month ago at E3, or have they decided and changed it in the last month?
King Beyond the wall
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The source is Examiner, so take this rumour with a massive dose of salt.
Miles Quaritch
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Um, wow. Aren't they using a decade old engine?
RedAssedApe
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This would actually be good for PS4 too. Baseline performance for multi-platform goes up. Everyone profits!
amstradcpc
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What does CBOAT say about this?.
RamzaIsCool
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If this is the case then wouldn't they up the CPU also? Like it's 800mhz/ 1.6ghz (GPU/ CPU clockspeeds) now, so for optimal balance it should be 1ghz/ 2ghz after the bump. Oh well it probably is a load of bollocks anyway.
sublimit
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That would be a huge step for me to start considering buying one.
Warablo
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Do you only buy laptops without a camera?
Microsoft is trying to set a standard for a console..
intheinbetween
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Miles Quaritch
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Look at how they handled the DRM fiasco. If there any changes (big if), they are probably very recent.
Steelyuhas
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Yeah doesn't BF3 ultra PC settings use 4GB of RAM?
(I know, that's not some flawless cut and dry comparison, but still worth bringing up I think)
Laptop webcams don't add $100 or more to the cost of the computer.
ComputerMKII
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I would if there were any. Also, laptops don't need to be talked to in order to turn them on.
Clock regions aren't necessarily tied together. Current AMD APUs have separate ones as well.
I remember when someone from Examiner was stealing my stories & posting them without giving me credit so yeah they are pretty much internet scavengers.
sublimit
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I can turn my laptop camera on and off whenever i want.
Those gaffers are wrong.
IHaveCandy
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What is this "upclocking" nonsense? Say overclocking, damnit!
Oublieux
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Modified decade old engine. Just because the foundation is old doesn't mean anything. Look at Call of Duty's use of the base Quake 3 engine--I know people mock Activision for it but there comes a certain point where an engine is so heavily modified it's nothing like the original. Hell, in the depths of Photoshop lies a MacApp framework which originally let Photoshop communicate with Mac OS back in the day.
Are these changes realistically possible at this point? if yes that's definitely good news for everyone, they need to do something about the amount of ram available to games...the 3gb OS footprint is ridiculous.
The Xbone continues to look like a mess lacking focus and vision, after two greatly designed and powerful consoles it's weird to see MS struggling with Xbone's hardware.
The Xbone continues to look like a mess lacking focus and vision, after two greatly designed and powerful consoles it's weird to see MS struggling with Xbone's hardware.
shinra-bansho
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Late downclocks due to yield or reliability issues are more plausible than late upclocks despite potential yield or reliability issues purely for some sort of dick measuring exercise. Late downclocks have occurred before, I'm not sure what examples of late upclocks there are.
That doesnt include VRAM though. Those 5gb are for the game plus gpu.
amstradcpc
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Supposing is true.Who says Sony hasn´t made the same?. In fact they were the first that talked publicly about GPU specs just after Hirai saying "Why go first, when your competitors can look at your specifications and come up with something better?".
This just tells me they talked so openly about their GPU speed because they had room to improve it, or to cheat MS as they knew they would go for a clock higher than 800MHz.
This just tells me they talked so openly about their GPU speed because they had room to improve it, or to cheat MS as they knew they would go for a clock higher than 800MHz.
Probably sleeping since its like 4am east coast
so I guess you do not own a Vita.. I´m so afraid every time I use my Vita, I actually try to look my best, because it could happen that they are watching me. And I would not like to dissappoint Kaz.
Alx
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but "overclocking" means using a processor at a frequency that is above the "safety limit" (I don't know the exact word), that is below its theoretical maximum.
Upclocking would be upgrading a processor so that its theoretical maximum increases, and as a consequence its "safety limit" too.
Can't see them changing any specs stated on Xbox.com which is pretty much only 8 core CPU, 8GB RAM & 500GB HD.
Clock speeds were never announced iirc, only deduced from other information so they could change. It would mean delays though unless it happened months ago, they'd have to test everything again. They can't just assume their cooling solution will cope.
Clock speeds were never announced iirc, only deduced from other information so they could change. It would mean delays though unless it happened months ago, they'd have to test everything again. They can't just assume their cooling solution will cope.
Tobiasboon
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Not quite, the PS4 would now have a 33.3% advantage on the GPU side in terms of FLOPS compared to the Xbone with the Xbone upclock, down from a 50% advantage. The Xbone would now be at a 25% disadvantage if the upclock FLOPS figures are to be believed compared to the previous 33% disadvantage.
A clock bump is possible I guess, it would be pretty simple assuming adequate cooling and the cooling solution is pretty beefy along with a decent sized shell. Nowhere near enough to make up the gap though and of course it might all be bollocks.
zomgbbqftw
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Actually it is impossible. I said the same for those bullshit rumours about the PS4 CPU going from 1.6GHz to 1.8GHz. In the world of semi-conductors performance from planning to mass production only ever goes in a single direction, downwards. If they planned for 800MHz the number of usable parts at 800MHz is basically fixed, to increase that figure they would need to respin. The other way to increase the number of usable parts is to lower the clocks or fuse off more CUs. Increasing performance will reduce the number of usable dice and for a box that is already in short supply that seems incredibly unlikely and an insane business decision since the difference is going to be minimal.
I'm holding out hope (probably foolishly) that Microsoft will decide to sell a SKU without Kinect for $400 to try to be more price-competitive with the PS4. If they did that they'd eliminate the main advantage the PS4 has at this point, although Kinect seems so-heavily integrated into the X1 that it might just not be possible to remove it without having to make significant changes to the way the console operates.
beat
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Devkits should have more memory than retail units. Development code isn't optimized for space, it has debugging symbols, you may well want to have debugging data in your assets too, or you just haven't optimized your assets yet... it sucked in previous generations to develop on devkits that had no more memory than the retail units. (Of course at some point you have to ensure it runs well on retail-spec'ed units, but that happens nearer the end of development.)
An engine can only do so much. Ghosts and Titanfall have that old engine look written on them, even with all that fancy effects and heavy modicfication their origin is noticeable.
Anyway I cant belive that this rumor is true... Arent they in mass production right now? We have what around 4 months to launch? The need to manufacture millions of consoles as of now.
childplease
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Why stop at 12 gigs.
DDr3 is super cheap put 16 gigs of ddr 3 in that thing.
Raise the bar as much as you can so you dont hold back pc gaming.
DDr3 is super cheap put 16 gigs of ddr 3 in that thing.
Raise the bar as much as you can so you dont hold back pc gaming.
Like?
amstradcpc
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Do you know AMD Temash A-5200 has 4 jaguar cores at 2Ghz and is going inside netbooks?.
As I'm sure has been pointed out already, this is a lot like Sega suddenly deciding to shoe-horn some janky 3D hardware into their upcoming Saturn console a few months before release because they heard that the competition, a certain Sony PlayStation, was 3D polygon graphics focused. We all know how that turned out.
The next thing we know, MS will hold a conference in October and announce that "The Xbox One is in shops...right now!", like Sega did with Saturn in the UK back in '96.
The Saturn comparisons continue, it seems.
The next thing we know, MS will hold a conference in October and announce that "The Xbox One is in shops...right now!", like Sega did with Saturn in the UK back in '96.
The Saturn comparisons continue, it seems.
IHaveCandy
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Yeah but we're just talking about BF3 here.
Overclocking implies that a part is being pushed past its specs and/or TDP. Upclocking just means that its clock is being raised but still within spec.
Warablo
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So you believe the Kinect is there continuously recording you? It is off, and you can turn off voice commands also. The only thing you can't do is unplug it if you want to use your console, which isn't a big deal unless your Kinect breaks..
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