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F*ck Konami: MGSV Physical PC Discs have 9MB Steam Installer and nothing else
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Lord British
Member
Thanks for the clarification - didn't mean to misinform.
Duggie_Brown
Member
Man, what happened to the days of paying a premium price for a premium product. I mean it wasn't just about buying and playing the game itself, you also paid for the box to keep it safe in and look nice on your shelf and you'd also look forward to the detailed coloured manual that would always add additional details about the characters and the world.
People bought these products to keep, to cherish and to be able to play at any time they want on any compatible system. These days it's like companies don't want you to own their products, it's like they want you to rent them for a time being until they can find some way to charge you again for the same thing.
I've played games for a long long time and I've accepted the digital world for downloading certain products, but I also still want to buy many games in their physical form. I want them to belong to me, I paid for them, they should be mine. If I decide to buy some games through digital only, then I'm accepting the terms attached, but still, it is my choice to make.
If this is true about MGS V not actually being on the disk then personally I find this offensive to the premium physical product that I am buying. So, in regards to the PC "physical" version of MGS 5, Konami can kiss my ass.
People bought these products to keep, to cherish and to be able to play at any time they want on any compatible system. These days it's like companies don't want you to own their products, it's like they want you to rent them for a time being until they can find some way to charge you again for the same thing.
I've played games for a long long time and I've accepted the digital world for downloading certain products, but I also still want to buy many games in their physical form. I want them to belong to me, I paid for them, they should be mine. If I decide to buy some games through digital only, then I'm accepting the terms attached, but still, it is my choice to make.
If this is true about MGS V not actually being on the disk then personally I find this offensive to the premium physical product that I am buying. So, in regards to the PC "physical" version of MGS 5, Konami can kiss my ass.
Milly Osworth
Member
I guess this is a problem for the people that still buy games on discs because they have shitty internet? Join us in 2015 my friends!
AFAIK, the Russian physical PC version of The Phantom Pain includes all of the game files on its discs.
Not true, Half-Life 2 discs had the whole game on them.
The_Super_Inframan
"the journey to a thousand games ends with bad rats. ~Lao Tzu" ~Gabe Newell
Depending on where you live you just don't have the option for fast Internet, I live in Germany and only have a shitty 10mbit connection without any way to upgrade...
which is kind of sad for a country like this, but at least it's faster than the 3mbit i had till last year :/
And because it got mentioned a few times, Skyrim had all the data on the disk.
One game I can think of that is kinda like this is the German / European retail release of Final Fantasy 13 and 13-2. The box contains only one disc, but at least there are ~9GB of data on that disc and the rest has to be downloaded... Konami should have done the same thing here to cut the download almost in half, why waste all that space
Starwolf_UK
Member
I feel this gets a lot of attention for being Konami who have taken the banner of hatred from erm...Ubisoft?
I'd say another big issue is why no special edition for PC. Just because PC owners like digital games does not mean they dislike physical goods. In fact if you're going down the steam key in a box route that kind of thing can soften the blow.
But the rest of your point of what happened to physical releases containing cool stuff. Sad thing is most people didn't read the 100 page manuals and this business has become very cutthroat (especially with how high budgets can be vs. low returns). It is one of those cases that you only appreciate these things once you have lost them.
I'd say another big issue is why no special edition for PC. Just because PC owners like digital games does not mean they dislike physical goods. In fact if you're going down the steam key in a box route that kind of thing can soften the blow.
I'll stop you there. In my country the physical version is cheaper than buying from Steam store itself. That implies the physical release is not a premium product at all. It has boiled down to the point of being a cheaper way to get a steam key.
But the rest of your point of what happened to physical releases containing cool stuff. Sad thing is most people didn't read the 100 page manuals and this business has become very cutthroat (especially with how high budgets can be vs. low returns). It is one of those cases that you only appreciate these things once you have lost them.
Pyramid head
Banned
Why press any discs per copy if you aren't putting anything on the discs? Fucking dumb reasoning.
I bought The Witcher 3 retail for PC simply because I couldn't be bothered with the download times. Even if I took a 2 hour break between swapping discs I still would have been playing the game faster than the shitty speeds I get out of my supposed 20mb Virgin Media broadband.
Sleeping dogs at the very least had the data on the disc. I remember because it was what finally caused my aged dvd drive to die
For the small number of collectors that still want to own a physical box + disc i guess. My friend collects them on his shelf.
The_Super_Inframan
"the journey to a thousand games ends with bad rats. ~Lao Tzu" ~Gabe Newell
Not here in Europe, even small games like Super Meat Boy, Terraria and dozens of others get retail releases here.
Walk in a typical electronic store here and the PC retail space is huge compared to the consoles
"This game requires a 100MBit network connection and atleast 100GB download cap to install".
Wtf. This kind of action should be illegal!
I think we should stop this all digital nonsense.
The profits is way higher for the companys and we sit with an unplayable game 5-10 years later.
Wtf. This kind of action should be illegal!
I think we should stop this all digital nonsense.
The profits is way higher for the companys and we sit with an unplayable game 5-10 years later.
What in the flying fk... Europe has some of the best bandwidth too.
Didn't Arkham Knight make you download some crazy large amount of crap since the physical release
had only like 8 gigs or something on the disc? Am I remembering that wrong? (Actually, I guess that'd make sense if it only had one disc, but why only one?)
Yeah, I remember this being the case. Just being a littlebutt-frustrated that I had to activate it online.
I can't say physical release without grinning like a dumdum
Yeah, I remember this being the case. Just being a little
The_Super_Inframan
"the journey to a thousand games ends with bad rats. ~Lao Tzu" ~Gabe Newell
I really have no clue why PC retail is still so big here
Even I, with my shitty internet compared to the rest of Germany, am 99% digital.
Could be that lots of younger people without the means to pay online still use retail... and maybe the older people cause there are used to it... never really thought about it
ISee
Member
I really have no clue why PC retail is still so big here
Even I, with my shitty internet compared to the rest of Germany, am 99% digital.
Could be that lots of younger people without the means to pay online still use retail... and maybe the older people cause there are used to it... never really thought about it
Retail PC prices are , most of the time, cheaper then online digital prices. So people tend to buy the retail box that, often enough, comes with a steam/uplay/origin/GOG key anyway.
The_Super_Inframan
"the journey to a thousand games ends with bad rats. ~Lao Tzu" ~Gabe Newell
Funky EU taxes for digital distro?
Fucking lol
The_Super_Inframan
"the journey to a thousand games ends with bad rats. ~Lao Tzu" ~Gabe Newell
Nope, just the same situation like on consoles with new releases. The puplishers can set the prizes themself on steam and so on, but nobody can forbid amazon to sell the game cheaper.
This is mostly for really new releases, after a while digital tends to be cheaper most of the time.
Joseph Merrick
Member
lmao. caught onto this immediatly when I opened the box, hold on there's only one single disc. think it's hilarious, not a huge deal to me, but really funny. installing mad max off 4 discs right now :O~
that's a bug that happens in steam sometimes, where it downloads even though you're trying to install from disc. could be you just started the install wrong too. in any case, all of those games have the game data on disc. pretty sure this is the first game to do this.
that's a bug that happens in steam sometimes, where it downloads even though you're trying to install from disc. could be you just started the install wrong too. in any case, all of those games have the game data on disc. pretty sure this is the first game to do this.
lifa-cobex
Member
That is actually mental.
Is it advertised as a physical copy? Surly that's breaking some no no's
Is it advertised as a physical copy? Surly that's breaking some no no's
ISee
Member
More like The Metro Company which owns both Media Markt and Saturn (huge Multimedia/electronics etc. stores in germany. Even Gamestop is small compared to them and only survives because of Trade-ins) and Amazon.de fighting each other. They are nearly always trying to out bit each other.
So this is not only a PC retailer thing. It is the same with console games. For example Amazon.de droped the price for Arkham Knight on PS4 down to around 40 during release week to beat Media MArkts ~ 52 price. Now compare this to the digital PSN Store price during release.
Media Markt and Saturn are owned by the same parent company? That's mental.
Alcotholic
Banned
So when you buy a game to own it, you don't really own it...
That's why i stopped buying PC games and moved to PS4 completely + resell value.
Not if it's distributed via Steam. One of the reasons why I buy physical console games.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Man l was going to get the PC release until l heard it was Steam, glad l didn't bother.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Yes, most do. I don't understand why this is being singled out?
protomouse
Member
Huh? The Saturn I go to has about as much shelf space for PC games as for console games. I buy a lot of my PC games boxed. MGSV is literally the first instance I've come across that has this stupidity going on.
I really have no clue why PC retail is still so big here
Even I, with my shitty internet compared to the rest of Germany, am 99% digital.
Could be that lots of younger people without the means to pay online still use retail... and maybe the older people cause there are used to it... never really thought about it
Mostly because physical is normally a hell of a lot cheaper than digital
Cost of TPP on Steam: £45.99
Cost of 'physical' copy I bought in Tesco: £29.99
Jezbollah
Member
People should just return this product and demand a refund on principle.
I'd love to see some screenshots of the packaging to see what is mentioned legally on there - if people are expecting the media to contain the game they are clearly not getting what they were expecting. It could be construed as fraud by some..
EDIT: Should this thread be renamed: Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Game?
I'd love to see some screenshots of the packaging to see what is mentioned legally on there - if people are expecting the media to contain the game they are clearly not getting what they were expecting. It could be construed as fraud by some..
EDIT: Should this thread be renamed: Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Game?
ISee
Member
This is now the case for PC games for a very, very long time now. This is probably why Microsoft decided to go a similar way when they announced their Xbox one.
Windom Earle
Banned
Again, I am asking why there is so much outrage in this thread, when Steam discs have never been functional in the first place? Maybe investigate why that is instead of blaming Konami?
SneakyStephan
Banned
That is incredibly shitty for the (many) people who have monthly data caps... it's like a 40GB download :\
Fucking konami, bunch of clowns.
Fucking konami, bunch of clowns.