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[cireza]

Would return this. This is inacceptable.

 

[skullmuffins]

Yes, most do. I don't understand why this is being singled out?

No? Most physical PC games, even if you need to activate the game via steam or whatever, still include most/all the installation data on the actual disc, so people buying physical copies don't need to download the entire thing. As mentioned earlier, sometimes steam wigs out and wants you to download it anyway, but physical versions being nothing than a tiny steam installer is not common.

 

[Windom Earle]

No? Most physical PC games, even if you need to activate the game via steam or whatever, still include most/all the installation data on the actual disc, so people buying physical copies don't need to download the entire thing. As mentioned earlier, steam pretty much always wigs out and wants you to download it anyway, but physical versions being nothing than a tiny steam installer is not common.

Fixed.

Actually the usual scenario is an extremely slow installer, and then you can download everything again.

 

[lifa-cobex]

Would return this. This is inacceptable.

Me too.

If its advertising it as a physical copy then imo, that's false advertising.
Selling a disc with practically nothing more than a shortcut is absolute crap.

It should have listed exactly what is on the disc.

 

[Joseph Merrick]

Again, I am asking why there is so much outrage in this thread, when Steam discs have never been functional in the first place? Maybe investigate why that is instead of blaming Konami?

complete nonsense. steam physical copies have always included game data to install from disc before this. the steam installer bugs out sometimes and downloads instead, but the data has always been there and when it worked it worked.

 

[RulkezX]

I'd imagine the people still buying retail pc games are doing so for a reason ie usage caps etc. This is a really bad practice, but then so was the no pre load bullshit when do sorry spoilers have been available since last week.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Because most don't.

Skyrim had all the data on the disc.

From my limited experience with physical retail PC games, they've merely been Steam unlocks.

I bought the Legendary Edition of Skyrim, and it all unlocked on Steam via a code. Now you have me questioning whether vanilla Skyrim was on the disc. I do know that I don't need the disc to play the game any longer, as it all just fires up on Steam.

From my understanding physical PC games with the data on the disc, still require the disc to play?

I know that's the case with Singularity. My copies of Mafia 2 and Dishonored were simple Steam codes, the games weren't on the disc.

 

[Windom Earle]

complete nonsense. steam physical copies have always included game data to install from disc before this. the steam installer bugs out sometimes and downloads instead, but the data has always been there and when it worked it worked.

The steam installer is complete crap and almost never works.

 

[Ikuu]

From my understanding physical PC games with the data on the disc, still require the disc to play?

No.

 

[SmokedMeat]

From my understanding physical PC games with the data on the disc, still require the disc to play?/QUOTE]

No.

Well, that's great then. I hated the thought of having to keep certain games around thinking I needed a disc in the drive.

 

[SneakyStephan]

So when you buy a game to own it, you don't really own it...

You never own them with steam even if the data is on the disk...
This is pretty much the only advantage consoles have left, that you actually own the games (assuming you buy them physically)
NEVER give up your ownership rights dear console gamers.

The only reason people accept it is because thanks to piracy you DO in fact own it (just not legally).
Steam shuts down or publisher decides to end license because fuck you consumers? Well fuck you too it takes 10 seconds to crack my game.
But in the end it's just a bandaid that gives users some peace of mind, it doesn't make up for the wrong that is digital game licenses.

We urgently need first sale rights for digital goods (in before the corporate apologists are here to tell us why we shouldn't ask for first sale right with digital goods because then the poow widdle publishers would lose money from a convenient digital second hand market)

 

[PhantomZone]

Didn't Skyrim do this too

Didn't a lot of Steam games do this too

NBA 2K15 pc's physical release had a slimline game case with the download code inside.

 

[Axass]

We've reached the point we're buying empty discs for $60, so that we can download a game from the internet locked with DRM, a game that features a multiplayer mode which is littered with mandatory microtransactions.

 

[ISee]

complete nonsense. steam physical copies have always included game data to install from disc before this. the steam installer bugs out sometimes and downloads instead, but the data has always been there and when it worked it worked.

Hey I am not going to defend Konami here, if they sell a DVD and you need to download the game anyway they should at least put a message on the retail box.

BUT in my experience the Steam installer had troubles to install from disc like in 9 out of 10 cases. So the last couple of years I did not even bother to try and instead just used the code to download the game.
It was even faster for me to download Witcher 3 (using GOG Client) then to install it from disc because something was f* up there too.

 

[derExperte]

That is incredibly shitty for the (many) people who have monthly data caps... it's like a 40GB download :\

Fucking konami, bunch of clowns.

20GB

And I'm partial to the theory that the PC version just wasn't done in time to press disc and distribute the boxes.

 

[Windom Earle]

Hey I am not going to defend Konami here, if they sell a DVD and you need to download the game anyway they should at least put a message on the retail box.

BUT in my experience the Steam installer had troubles to install from disc like in 9 out of 10 cases. So the last couple of years I did not even bother to try and instead just used the code to download the game.
It was even faster for me to download Witcher 3 (using GOG Client) then to install it from disc because something was f* up there too.

This. Konami not including data is actually more honest and saves the time people hassle with a useless disc installer.

And I also don't mean to defend them, but it is true in this one case. :lol

 

[Occam]

You never own them with steam even if the data is on the disk...
This is pretty much the only advantage consoles have left, that you actually own the games (assuming you buy them physically)
NEVER give up your ownership rights dear console gamers.

The only reason people accept it is because thanks to piracy you DO in fact own it (just not legally).
Steam shuts down or publisher decides to end license because fuck you consumers? Well fuck you too it takes 10 seconds to crack my game.

We urgently need first sale rights for digital goods (in before the corporate apologists are here to tell us why we shouldn't ask for first sale right with digital goods because then the poow widdle publishers would lose money from a convenient digital second hand market)

I concur.

 

[NEO0MJ]

I'd imagine the people still buying retail pc games are doing so for a reason ie usage caps etc. This is a really bad practice, but then so was the no pre load bullshit when do sorry spoilers have been available since last week.

I've only bought two retail PCs since I started using Steam, Bioshock Infinite and Titanfall. Having the DVDs to speed up the install was so useful to me. If I didn't have it I would have had to wait at least a day to play them otherwise.

 

[Sulik2]

This is fairly common Beyond the Earth and Dawn of War II both did this off the top of my head. It's the digital future on Pc.

 

[LordRaiden]

What a crock o' shite.....

I remember the exact same thing happened when I bought Battlefield Hardline. (Yeah I bought it, come get some!!)

I was greeted with a little white sticker with 25 characters which roughly translated to FUCK YOU in plain text.

I understand that nowadays publishers aren't too happy with putting games on discs, since not every PC gamer has a Bluray drive AND the games keep getting bigger and bigger, but to force people to download the whole damn thing, no, just no.

You could squeeze MGS5 on 3 9Gb discs, no problem at all, with maybe some breadcrumbs needing to be downloaded and would the production costs be that much higher then 1 disc with a Steam Installer? Don't think so.

As stated over and over, and I can't stress it enough, not everyone has Behemoth internet connections.

I consider myself lucky I have unlimited internet and I download at 14 Megs a second, but this is not for everyone.

I never saw anyone fuck themselves until now....

The REAL problem is, they actually get away with it.....

I understand digital distribution is the future, but the future isn't now, especially for those with crappy internet.
Physical copies should still exist for everyone to enjoy.

Please excuse any typos, since English is not my native language.

 

[sturgboski]

This thread and the thread about real money purchases for bases passed the first (with Konami implying you don't need to use real money at all) has drastically lowered my care that they stay in the game business. Its almost as if the game industry would be better if they didn't, especially since the real talent has already left.

 

[Breads]

Again, I am asking why there is so much outrage in this thread, when Steam discs have never been functional in the first place? Maybe investigate why that is instead of blaming Konami?

I actually had no idea about this. I just assumed physical versions always came with their own version of the game. I guess I somehow missed this with the (admittedly few these days) physical PC games I've bought.

 

[Renekton]

Because most don't.

Skyrim had all the data on the disc.

Skyrim alone doesn't count as "most" tho

 

[CadetMahoney]

We've reached the point we're buying empty discs for $60.

The circle is complete.

Is there any other industry where the consumers are treated like complete shit and disdain despite complaints?

 

[valkyre]

You never own them with steam even if the data is on the disk...
This is pretty much the only advantage consoles have left, that you actually own the games (assuming you buy them physically)
NEVER give up your ownership rights dear console gamers.

The only reason people accept it is because thanks to piracy you DO in fact own it (just not legally).
Steam shuts down or publisher decides to end license because fuck you consumers? Well fuck you too it takes 10 seconds to crack my game.
But in the end it's just a bandaid that gives users some peace of mind, it doesn't make up for the wrong that is digital game licenses.

We urgently need first sale rights for digital goods (in before the corporate apologists are here to tell us why we shouldn't ask for first sale right with digital goods because then the poow widdle publishers would lose money from a convenient digital second hand market)

This is a great post, well said.

 

[derExperte]

Is there any other industry where the consumers are treated like complete shit and disdain despite complaints?

Comcast has it's own article on Wikipedia about how awful they are. Or every big oil company ever, they shit on basically everything, not only customers. Now when it comes to pure entertainment content providers.... as mentioned below Hollywood is bad but yeah, we're catching up fast though I don't think this is that bad. More bizarre.

 

[glaurung]

Is there any other industry where the consumers are treated like complete shit and disdain despite complaints?

I'd equate this to Hollywood. But people rarely complain about how shitty and derivative the movie industry has become.

 

[Arafo]

From my limited experience with physical retail PC games, they've merely been Steam unlocks.

I bought the Legendary Edition of Skyrim, and it all unlocked on Steam via a code. Now you have me questioning whether vanilla Skyrim was on the disc. I do know that I don't need the disc to play the game any longer, as it all just fires up on Steam.

From my understanding physical PC games with the data on the disc, still require the disc to play?

I know that's the case with Singularity. My copies of Mafia 2 and Dishonored were simple Steam codes, the games weren't on the disc.

Dishonored has all the data on the disc

 

[Roland1979]

The biggest problem i have with this is that you're not warned that you're buying a digital key and Steam software. It is reasonable for the customer to assume and expect to have the full game on disc (unless clearly stated otherwise) and only has to verify the key online once.

 

[LordRaiden]

The biggest problem i have with this is that you're not warned that you're buying a digital key and Steam software. It is reasonable for the customer to assume and expect to have the full game on disc (unless clearly stated otherwise) and only has to verify the key online once.

This.

Just like a pack of cigarettes come with health warnings, this should come with a big sticker that says "Case and coaster only DOWNLOAD YOUR SHIT".

 

[The_Super_Inframan]

I remember using the skyrim disk, only for it to send me to steam so I could download a decent chunk of the game there.

Yes, most do. I don't understand why this is being singled out?

Here is a screenshot I just made from my Skyrim retail disc

The disc had all the data on there, except for the high res texture pack if I remember correctly

Mostly because physical is normally a hell of a lot cheaper than digital

Cost of TPP on Steam: £45.99
Cost of 'physical' copy I bought in Tesco: £29.99

Yeah, I really forgot about this. I rarely buy games day one so I didn't thought about that

Again, I am asking why there is so much outrage in this thread, when Steam discs have never been functional in the first place? Maybe investigate why that is instead of blaming Konami?

Every retail Steam game I bought could be installed from the disc without a problem, so I would say there are functional?


This may have happened before but it's surely not the norm

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Should have put that installer on a cassette tape instead to tie in with the 80s motif this game's going for.

 

[Totobeni]

Skyrim alone doesn't count as "most" tho

well I can tell you that ALL of my PC discs (the steam ones) games install fine from the disc on steam.. old and new, Saints Row 3, Sleeping Dogs, Dishonored,Mordor,Velvet Assassin, Risen 2, Skyrim, Rage, Mafia 2, Deus Ex: Human Revolution and other, all of them work and install completely from the discs.

and iirc even Arkham Knight discs -which had a a bugged installer- have all the data on the discs (people managed to extract them).

 

[Renekton]

well I can tell you that ALL of my PC discs (the steam ones) games install fine from the disc on steam.. old and new, Saints Row 3, Sleeping Dogs, Dishonored,Mordor,Velvet Assassin, Risen 2, Skyrim, Rage, Mafia 2, Deus Ex: Human Revolution and other, all of them work and install completely from the discs.

and iirc even Arkham Knight discs -which had a a bugged installer- have all the data on the discs (people managed to extract them).

Eh Rage dvd install made me go online to download more stuff plus Steamworks.

 

[Joey Ravn]

Has somebody said something about MGSV PC not having on-disc DLC?

Spoiler

I do funny?

 

[Khort]

They probably wanted to avoid any leaks with of manufacturer. That's understandable but yeah it sucks for people with bandwidth cap...

 

[DPB]

Eh Rage dvd install made me go online to download more stuff plus Steamworks.

It's fairly common that games require you to download a day 1 patch, but it's a far cry from just having a 9mb installer.

I have never came across a Steamworks retail game that didn't have the majority of the data on the disc. This includes some of the games Totobeni listed, plus Darksiders, Darksiders 2, Arkham Origins, Just Cause 2 and The Last Remnant.

 

[LordRaiden]

The biggest problem i have with this is that you're not warned that you're buying a digital key and Steam software. It is reasonable for the customer to assume and expect to have the full game on disc (unless clearly stated otherwise) and only has to verify the key online once.

They probably wanted to avoid any leaks with of manufacturer. That's understandable but yeah it sucks for people with bandwidth cap...

The problem is that they want to reduce piracy, but shenenigans like this MAKES people want to pirate.

The innocents suffer the punishment which the pirates (Arrr) should be getting.

 

[patapuf]

Eh Rage dvd install made me go online to download more stuff plus Steamworks.

You'll need steamworks for all steamworks games. There'll also be a bit of data to unlock the content on disk (just like with a preload). Patches are also applied automatically.

But there's a difference between downloading a full game or just some additional stuff. Especially nowadays with 25+GB gamesizes.

 

[gossi]

Ha, I predicted this would roll last week:

Ultimately, the discs would have been mass printed a few weeks ago. For whatever reason they made the call to leave the disc blank. The consumer really has embraced the DRM future. The publisher may have been able to get a discount on pressing the PC discs at same time as console discs, and since PC was landing hot maybe they went for blankness.

 

[Renekton]

It's fairly common that games require you to download a day 1 patch, but it's a far cry from just having a 9mb installer.

I have never came across a Steamworks retail game that didn't have the majority of the data on the disc. This includes some of the games Totobeni listed, plus Darksiders, Darksiders 2, Arkham Origins, Just Cause 2 and The Last Remnant.

The RAGE download was pretty big IIRC, I thought I was redownloading the game.

Anyhoo my home internet is kaput, so luckily PS4 is patch-free.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

This is amazing.

 

[Nostalgic Nightmare]

Kofuckyourselves Kofucki

 

[epmode]

If this really was about Konami trying to avoid piracy, it was entirely unnecessary. Since Steamworks games require activation, it would be easy for Konami to remove critical files from the discs which would only be downloaded during activation.

Even if the final version of the game changed since the discs were printed, Steam is designed to automatically download all necessary file changes so that wouldn't be a problem either.

Really, this is just Konami being cheap. They don't want to print the extra discs.

 

[Black_Stride]

Yes, most do. I don't understand why this is being singled out?

Lies.

From my limited experience with physical retail PC games, they've merely been Steam unlocks.
I bought the Legendary Edition of Skyrim, and it all unlocked on Steam via a code. Now you have me questioning whether vanilla Skyrim was on the disc. I do know that I don't need the disc to play the game any longer, as it all just fires up on Steam.

My copies of Mafia 2 and Dishonored were simple Steam codes, the games weren't on the disc.

More Lies!

Mafia 2 can be installed from Disk, the game had a bug at release where it would try installing from Steam instead of from disk.
How big was your DVD....you think it was 9GB of not the game?

Dishonored only downloaded like 3GBs if i remember correctly.
The rest of the game was on Disk.



In this case, there is nothing on the disk, except the installer.....they could have atleast filled the DVD with the prologue, so people can atleast get a taste of the game while it downloads in the background...the disk is fikken empty!

 

[LordRaiden]

Any word from Konami yet?

PSYCH!! Like they give a shit...........

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

Any word from Konami yet?

"It was Kojima's idea."

 

[CadetMahoney]

Any word from Konami yet?

"It was Kojima's idea."

roff

 

[ElyrionX]

This is hilarious lol

 

[LordRaiden]

"It was Kojima's idea."

Yeah, we erased his name, he erased the game. It's a vicious circle....