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Fabricated Notch/Mojang party escort allegations; Twitter monsters spring into action

Fox_Mulder

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Damn sexism and feminism! They have reached ridiculous levels
 

Misguided

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so you are mad at the fucking strippers, not Mojang

Mojang is giving money to women who decided on that line of work and are trying to get by.

What are you personally doing to change this thing that bothers you so much?

it's a fucking legitimate job. They are doing what they want to do.
A woman's life shouldn't have to be about "getting by", it should be about having a DECENT good-paying and satisfying job. Most if not all of the men at that party have jobs like that. I am helping to spread awareness of this mistreatment of a gender by a company of developers that a lot of people hold dear; surely I'm not a white knight, I'm just saying.
 
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Not enough context is provided. I take this "news" as Mojang hired some women via an entertainment agency to socialize and dance at his party in order to prevent it from being a giant sausage party. These women aren't there against their will. Nobody is being forced against their will and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't mind working the same gig if you got paid those kind of hourly fees.

This sounds like a bunch of ridiculous internet white knighting.
Nailed it.

Some folks just do not understand how big biz works.
 

NeoRausch

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*gets mad about paid dancers at party*

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*takes photo of booth babes*


no really now, what's the problem here and why am I inhuman?
 

Salsa

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I'm not talking about the dancers and questions of their objectification, or the debate about the objectification of female characters in games.

I don't even think the people involved here were strippers. They were probably hostesses.

I'm talking about the debate over the role of women in the industry, participation of women professionals in the industry.
I wasnt really directing all of that to you but rather the OP, sorry it came off like that


I also think the "it's not going to be good for the women in my company" is just straight up assumption. For all we know it was their idea.
 

MormaPope

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After learning this is some Skrillex club thing, strippers or escorts being hired to entertain at the party isn't too strange. I originally thought escorts were lounging around a small area hitting on random designers and occupants.
 

codswallop

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Explain what's wrong with it. Why do you want to deny the chance for these women to make money? Are you also against the notion of male strippers?
The problem is not the people who were hired, it's that because there is a large proportion of male guests that organisers feel compelled to balance the gender bias by hiring female eye candy.

This of course isn't going to make female guests feel at all welcome, when you have a large group of makes drooling over and sexualising females.

This is just the latest in a string of misogynistic behaviour by the games industry.

Regardless of whether it happens elsewhere is irrelevant.
 

element

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Sounds pretty lame compared to even casual designer interaction after GDC panels/events, the fact that the Notch party brings in random people and caters to them instead of actual GDC occupants is dumb.
same thing happened at seattle for the party there. id say it was a 70/30 split on random raver kids to pax people. sure it is cool that you throw a party, but why even do it at an event (pax, gdc) if you are just going to let random locals in? why not just throw it anytime?

whole thing was silly. ended up going back to the microsoft party and drank their free booze.

i personally could careless about the paid people to attend. that is typical club behavior and promoter type stuff. really that probably isn't mojang paying that first hand. they paid the promoter to book the venue, the event planner probably reached out to places to get 'sexy' people to mingle. typical stuff.
 
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same thing happened at seattle for the party there. id say it was a 70/30 split on random raver kids to pax people. sure it is cool that you throw a party, but why even do it at an event (pax, gdc) if you are just going to let random locals in? why not just throw it anytime?

whole thing was silly. ended up going back to the microsoft party and drank their free booze.
I like the cut of your jib.
 

Salsa

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A woman's life shouldn't have to be about "getting by", it should be about having a DECENT good-paying and satisfying job. Most if not all of the men at that party have jobs like that. I am helping to spread awareness of this mistreatment of a gender by a company of developers that a lot of people hold dear; surely I'm not a white knight, I'm just saying.
you are complaining about stripping/escorting as a profession, the company of developers isnt "mistreating" shit. They are paying women to do the job they want to do.
 

gofreak

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Sounds like people are reading way too much into it imo.

I'd assume they didn't hire the women to "look pretty and make men feel good" but in order to have a more balanced gender ratio. We all know that most people in this industry are men and it's not exactly rocket science that parties work best when there's not a drastic difference between attending women and attending men.

Actually, I'm not really sure how it would make things better for the industry's women when they are attending a party where a dozen men try to hit on them.

I do agree that this is not exactly a great solution to fight that problem though, but I don't think the people who organized the party did this with sexist ideas in mind.
Maybe not, maybe it was quite unintentional. Though I'd have to see what kind of party this was and what kind of dancers they were to really say...

I'm not a woman, I'm just saying that I can imagine these sorts of setups might be uncomfortable or send the wrong message to female participants in the industry. The degree of discomfort probably varying with what kind of party and what kind of dancers were involved. I'm guessing different women have different views on that.
 

v1oz

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They're doing anything illegal. It's not prostitution or anything. They basically just hired some models.
 

polyh3dron

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They're probably not there against their will, they're being paid. But the bigger problem here is how the video games industry views women as objects to be bought and thrown around for men to oogle over. There is NO way a woman would feel safe here.
News flash: many parties that are non-video game related pay women to attend, have drinks and look pretty. It's called promo or model work, shit happens in Vegas all the fucking time. I hate generalizing, but a sizable portion of people who are into gaming enough to frequent a forum such as this one probably don't know enough about social engagements where this happens and therefore it seems like something completely alien to them and then if their first knowledge of such a thing occurs in a video game industry function I guess with the current Internet climate of sensitivity to sexism I could see how such a person would be shocked at this practice. These women who do this promotional model work are more than happy to take the money and free drinks to just show up to a party. They don't need people white knighting for them. I don't know why a woman should feel less safe at a video game business function than any other one. Straight men are attracted to women and since men are generally more visual than women, they focus on a woman's appearance. This isn't "objectification", its attraction. It's not a bad thing for fuck's sake.
 

IHaveIce

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Lol at people whiteknighting the women but saying stiff like "these escort jobs make them look slutty"

Dude they took the job cause they know they are attractive and are probably good with people, so they found a job where they have nothimg much to do except being temselves and kind.


OF course it would be weird for females in the industry but fact is it is a male dominated industry and people who think women aren't going to work in this field because of those party situations are fucking stupid and out of their mind.

Most vip parties work exactly lile this, yeah also companies with almost omly female staff enjoy sometimes male escorts .. all happened already



This news here is in no way a disaster or anything to rustle your jimmies about.

Edit: so you are paying them respect by saying the job they choose is wrong and unacceptable lol. Good shit
 

Riposte

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Welp, here goes:

This way of making money is not intellectually stimulating for a person. These women could be getting a degree/making a real career out of their lives; instead they have given in to society's vision of them in order to pay the bills. It makes that person come off as slutty and stupid, and that something as artificial as money can pay for her attention. It perpetuates stereotypes about an entire gender of people that have historically been mistreated by men. It makes women who aren't there to make money feel uncomfortable, and creates a hostile environment towards women in the games/tech industry. I'm against the notion of people being paid for their sexual attractiveness, yes.
I imagine if you said this to the faces of those women (who may have degrees or be working towards them, who knows - it is not like a college degree will net you a $300/hour job dancing and talking at a party) they would not be too pleased with you. It may even be the cases they do not see themselves as damsels in distress. It is extremely condescending in a humorous way.

That aside, unless I'm understanding this all wrong, I don't really see this as an official videogame industry event which can reflect a business's practices. GDC and other conventions have after-parties for people to socialize outside the context of videogames. Good for them, that's their time to relax. From the sound of it Notch just likes using his fortune to throwing shitty dubstep rave parties, videogames be damned.
 

mxgt

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A woman's life shouldn't have to be about "getting by", it should be about having a DECENT good-paying and satisfying job. Most if not all of the men at that party have jobs like that. I am helping to spread awareness of this mistreatment of a gender by a company of developers that a lot of people hold dear; surely I'm not a white knight, I'm just saying.
Has it ever occurred to you that maybe these women want to do this as a job?
 
Welp, here goes:

This way of making money is not intellectually stimulating for a person. These women could be getting a degree/making a real career out of their lives; instead they have given in to society's vision of them in order to pay the bills. It makes that person come off as slutty and stupid, and that something as artificial as money can pay for her attention. It perpetuates stereotypes about an entire gender of people that have historically been mistreated by men. It makes women who aren't there to make money feel uncomfortable, and creates a hostile environment towards women in the games/tech industry. I'm against the notion of people being paid for their sexual attractiveness, yes.
Not on this topic, but just a general idea of women dancers and such.

Does everything in life have to be intellectually stimulating? Not everyone likes going to university. They might find it extremely boring and want to do something else that stimulates another part of them . And it's not like they don't do anything. They go to the gyms and keep fit, making sure they stay in top shape. Some are even married and have kids. If they like doing that and it's not illegal, why stop them?

If forced into it, then yeah, I agree it is wrong, but if they want to do that because they enjoy doing it, I certainly don't have the right to stop them and I am happy that I don't, because that's just one step towards throwing your own vision of the world into someone's mind.
 

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im kinda surprised that so many people are ok with that.

so if your sister or mom told you she was a stripper or an escort (i think it's just another word for prostitute) you wouldnt have any problems with it, you'd be glad they finally found a line of work that suits their tastes, right ?
 

Misguided

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Not on this topic, but just a general idea of women dancers and such.

Does everything in life have to be intellectually stimulating? Not everyone likes going to university. They might find it extremely boring and want to do something else that stimulates another part of them . And it's not like they don't do anything. They go to the gyms and keep fit, making sure they stay in top shape. Some are even married and have kids. If they like doing that and it's not illegal, why stop them?

If forced into it, then yeah, I agree it is wrong, but if they want to do that because they enjoy doing it, I certainly don't have the right to stop them and I am happy that I don't, because that's just one step towards throwing your own vision of the world into someone's mind.
Look, the reality is this line of work isn't going to help your last 30's/early 40's. Then what are these people supposed to do with their lives? Just marry a rich man and perpetuate another stereotype about women? We should be helping women get better jobs and have better lives.
 

Riposte

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im kinda surprised that so many people are ok with that.

so if your sister or mom told you she was a stripper or an escort (i think it's just another word for prostitute) you wouldnt have any problems with it, you'd be glad they finally found a line of work that suits their tastes, right ?
Do you really think so little of strippers and prostitutes that can't fathom the agony of one of them being related to you?
 
Has it ever occurred to you that there are far fewer men doing this job for women then there are women doing it for men?
Maybe the ratio of women liking it is less than men? Does that still mean it is wrong to do it as a job? I've seen plenty of women go to parties with male strippers.

Just because there is less of it, doesn't mean it's suddenly wrong.


33% of religious people are Christians, so the 7% that go the route of Buddhism, are they suddenly wrong, because there are less of them?

I'm not religious by the way, just using an extreme idea.
 

Madness

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I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. Unlike the IGDA industry event, Mojang threw a private party where they hired attractive women and hostesses to serve and interact with guests.

There is nothing inherently sexist about this, and I'm shocked people are actually up in arms over this.

Have any of you been to any parties besides house parties or friend gatherings? When I was working at Best Buy, our store was the best in the division. Corporate threw a private party at a hall, where everyone in the store was invited. Attractive women were hired both to dance, serve food, and socialize. Our store was primarily 65% women staff. No one once said they were awkward with the situation.

I actually want an honest debate about this. Have you ever been to clubs downtown? Why should a private party be any different? This wasn't a professional gathering or advocacy group. Even Hollywood and almost every major industry hires hostesses and servers or attractive bartenders for parties.
 

mxgt

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Look, the reality is this line of work isn't going to help your last 30's/early 40's. Then what are these people supposed to do with their lives? Just marry a rich man and perpetuate another stereotype about women? We should be helping women get better jobs and have better lives.
I think we should stop worrying about the lives of other grown adults and let them live how they want.
 

dimb

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What else is Notch supposed to do with his Psychonauts 2 money?
 

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A woman's life shouldn't have to be about "getting by", it should be about having a DECENT good-paying and satisfying job. Most if not all of the men at that party have jobs like that. I am helping to spread awareness of this mistreatment of a gender by a company of developers that a lot of people hold dear; surely I'm not a white knight, I'm just saying.
Look, the reality is this line of work isn't going to help your last 30's/early 40's. Then what are these people supposed to do with their lives? Just marry a rich man and perpetuate another stereotype about women? We should be helping women get better jobs and have better lives.
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Look, the reality is this line of work isn't going to help your last 30's/early 40's. Then what are these people supposed to do with their lives? Just marry a rich man and perpetuate another stereotype about women? We should be helping women get better jobs and have better lives.
And if they don't want that? This is the point I am getting at. Not everyone wants to go and study and you can't force them to. Sure, it be nice, but reality is that not everyone wants to study.