I'll just leave this here.
https://twitter.com/winnersusedrugs/status/293041508184113152
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But but but - that doesn't support her argument!
I'll just leave this here.
https://twitter.com/winnersusedrugs/status/293041508184113152
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And so, of course, you have to speak up on their behalves without knowing anything about their situations other than your own preconceived notions about their occupation and how they must feel about it. Now who's speaking out of whose ass, Sir Galahad?
I see two problems with this.
One: it's pathetic. Paying people to socialize at your party is laughably sad. I don't care if it's the norm with the corporate fat-cats; in fact that only makes it more pathetic. If I went to a game dev's party, it would be to socialize with gamers, not bimbos.
Two: it's kinda rude to the female attendees. It's almost implying that they're not "enough" for the males to enjoy themselves.
I see two problems with this.
One: it's pathetic. Paying people to socialize at your party is laughably sad. I don't care if it's the norm with the corporate fat-cats; in fact that only makes it more pathetic. If I went to a game dev's party, it would be to socialize with gamers, not bimbos.
Two: it's kinda rude to the female attendees. It's almost implying that they're not "enough" for the males to enjoy themselves.
Gaming community really loves to manufactor drama doesn't it?
Two problems with what? Nobody was paid to attend. Can we get a title change or something seeing as the whole story now seems to be manufactured nonsense?I see two problems with this.
One: it's pathetic. Paying people to socialize at your party is laughably sad. I don't care if it's the norm with the corporate fat-cats; in fact that only makes it more pathetic. If I went to a game dev's party, it would be to socialize with gamers, not bimbos.
Two: it's kinda rude to the female attendees. It's almost implying that they're not "enough" for the males to enjoy themselves.
Two problems with what? Nobody was paid to attend. Can we get a title change or something seeing as the whole story now seems to be manufactured nonsense?
Two problems with what? Nobody was paid to attend. Can we get a title change or something seeing as the whole story now seems to be manufactured nonsense?
I see two problems with this.
One: it's pathetic. Paying people to socialize at your party is laughably sad. I don't care if it's the norm with the corporate fat-cats; in fact that only makes it more pathetic. If I went to a game dev's party, it would be to socialize with gamers, not bimbos.
Two: it's kinda rude to the female attendees. It's almost implying that they're not "enough" for the males to enjoy themselves.
Even if they did pay, wasnt this a private event? Why do we care what Notch does on his own time? How is this remotely related to the industry?
Seems disingenuous to link industry sexism to this.
Even if they did pay, wasnt this a private event? Why do we care what Notch does on his own time? How is this remotely related to the industry?
Seems disingenuous to link industry sexism to this.
Whether or not it's sexist, I'd be really uncomfortable with someone being paid to socialize with me. They should want to socialize with me because I'm goddamn awesome.
This thread is a friendly reminder why this industry won´t change anytime soon.
Two: it's kinda rude to the female attendees. It's almost implying that they're not "enough" for the males to enjoy themselves.
Whether or not it's sexist, I'd be really uncomfortable with someone being paid to socialize with me. They should want to socialize with me because I'm goddamn awesome.
Welp, here goes:
This way of making money is not intellectually stimulating for a person. These women could be getting a degree/making a real career out of their lives; instead they have given in to society's vision of them in order to pay the bills. It makes that person come off as slutty and stupid, and that something as artificial as money can pay for her attention.
This thread is a friendly reminder why this industry won´t change anytime soon.
This thread is a friendly reminder why this industry won´t change anytime soon.
Its kind of like a politician visiting a gay club on his own time, while he's against gay rights.
It "may" reflect that his policy are hypocritical. But notch never did any story based game. Its not like he made Tomb Raider and then he go and hire 20 brunette cosplayed as Lara Croft to dance around him while he sing the Ducktails theme.
Whoa now, I don't agree with this at all. Fact of the matter is, some people aren't that smart, male or female. College and white-collar careers aren't for everybody. It's none of my business how people make their money, as long as it isn't immoral.
Notch doesnt represent a people that voted for him. He also doesnt push for legislation that effects peoples lives.
At best i get the argument that his own actions reflect how people view him. Thats common sense. But I. there isnt even proof that he hired these people and II. This story is being run as a game industry story and being linked to sexism in the industry.
You really dont see how ridiculous this is?
Thats your opinion.
But what does your personal opinion of Notch doing something on his own time have to do with the industry? Or sexism in the industry?
Whether you think paying for escorts/dancers/strippers is sexist is totally irrelevant and is your own opinion of said things. Why this is being discussed in the game section is baffling to me.
Wondering why the OP hasn't been updated. You know...so as to not spread further misinformation.
I don't think you read my post.
Of course I do, I posted about 20 post in this thread about that. The story is false, Notch checked with the party organizer and there was no hired dancer. So either some guy was jealous of some girl working in the industry, or they were jealous of the girlfriend of people working in the industry.
But my argument was more on the fact that his private life may make that you dont want to support him. For example, the maker of the game Shadow Complex, an excellent Metroidvania game, is Anti-gay and donate a lot of money to anti gay organism. Now, do you want to give this guy money so he can give it back to Anti Gay organism, or do you separate the two and say "His game is cool, what he does with his money is not my problem."
Let say that Notch did encourage the usage of strippers or hired girls for bars. If you are a feminist who is against this, would you recommend Minecraft as a game or would you say to people that Notch is a Machist?
I don't think you read my post.
There's a difference between finding a woman attractive, and believing that a woman's sole purpose is to look attractive.
Would you mind engaging with the substance of what I said?
Preconceived notions? So it takes a certified psychologist to know that objectification of a gender is a bad thing instead of a good thing? That if you take a job in which you're sexually objectified you see much higher levels of abuse, rape, sexual assault, and personal suicide attempts? Much higher levels of molestation or child abuse in their past? Is that why there are support groups created for ex-escorts and ex-prostitutes? Yet it's the same old bullshit argument from you guys concerning party dancers, strippers, escorts, prostitutes, whatever: "They choose to do it." Vomit.
It's amazing how hesitant you are to make a judgement on an obviously bad occupation and system when it casts a bad light on your gender. Are you really going to claim that it is uncertain whether jobs based on sexual objectification are harmful in a myriad of ways that other jobs are not? Ludicrous.
You're right, you didn't say any of those things, and I apologize. I actually never intended to say that you had these opinions, I just directed them at you since you were the one that was playing devils advocate and it was simpler then typing "everyone who holds those opinions". Either way, it was bad wording by me, and I apologize.True. But it's relatively rare. It's much much more common to see women in those roles. Men in those roles also don't have the same gender stereotypes to deal with as women. I don't think that a woman would look at a male stripper and think 'men are only good for sex appeal'. Sadly, some men do have that opinion of women.
A few things:
- I haven't attacked or criticised women for
taking on these jobs.
- I never said that women should be prevented or disuaded from taking on these jobs.
- I wouldn't presume to tell a woman what
job is acceptable or unacceptable.
- I never said that I disapprove of women who take on these jobs.
- You're putting words into my mouth which I don't like.
All I've done is suggested that the widespread practice of hiring women solely
based on their looks for male gratification might have consequences for the way that women are perceived as a group in society. Personally, I think that it does.
I completely agree that the burden is on the stupid, sexist men to change their opinions.
I'm leaving the house in a few minutes and
so if you reply, I won't see it until later tonight or tomorrow.
It's gotten to the stage where I'm considering PMing a mod to ask for a title change.
what the fuck does this have to do with "the industry"?
This isn't something that happens exclusively at private parties thrown by videogame designers/companies.
If you are going to beat this drum, beat it with a broader range.
Correct. Why is there this instant suspicion as soon as theres girls at a party that they are paid or bribed to be there?
I don't get it.
Please do, because it absolutely needs to be changed. Title was dubious from the outset without including the word claims, accusations, or rumors. Extremely misleading and harmful.
There is some evidence to say that Mojang weren't involved in what happened. To that end, I apologize for spreading misinformation. But I still find people's reaction to this weird.
Oh really? It reads like accusing to me.I did not accuse Notch of having paid companions at a party. Others gave their personal account. I reacted accordingly
Rounding things off: remember the journalist from the last page?
Oh really? It reads like accusing to me.
In conclusion: GAMES JOURNALISM!
This happens all the time at real clubs when there are VIPs. Sounds like people need to get out more. The game industry starting to look like a bunch of drama queens.
Rounding things off: remember the journalist from the last page?
Oh really? It reads like accusing to me.
In conclusion: GAMES JOURNALISM!
Wow.
This is becoming more and more embarrassing every minute.I'll just leave this here.
https://twitter.com/winnersusedrugs/status/293041508184113152
I regret nothing!