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Fallout 4 EULA says all mods must be free
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Diprosalic
Banned
this benefits them so why not?
personally i don't mind creators charging for their work if they choose to do so but i understand why they don't want that.
If they want to implement paid mods they will simply adjust the EULA.
What's important for them is that you can only get paid mods through markets they control.
Yes, but it's standard. Sites which redistributed modified .exe's are copyright problematic.
Visualante2
Member
Why do they want to control something that has brought them so much success?
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I just want to know when Mods are coming to consoles. If it's 6 months after launch for PS4 I couldn't give less of a fuck.
I'm not necessarily talking about modified .exes, but the way (d) is formulated very broadly could be construed to also include any code injection at runtime.
Many of the more in-depth gameplay mods for FO (and TES games) rely on script extenders which do modify executable code in memory.
Is the same passage found in the EULAs for the previous games?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Okay what does a) mean?
hobblygobbly
Member
Nothing really stops them from changing the EULA/ToS when they want, you will just be prompted to accept it again if you agree AFAIK. If they do plan on paid mods when the creation kit and stuff comes out next year there's nothing stopping them from changing that.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
It means you cant sell mods for money, but Zenimax/Bethesda can.
GrantDaNasty
Member
I'm not very good with legalese, but couldn't this just be seen as Bethesda saying you can't charge for mods without them getting a cut/being in the loop beforehand?
SolidusDave
Member
To me that reads more like modders have to make the content available to them (and consumers) for free, as Bethesda owns it, but it does not say that Bethesda can't charge consumers for those mods (e.g. via their official store or Steam/PS-Store etc.).
But I still think they will be very careful with paid mods after the backlash.
But I still think they will be very careful with paid mods after the backlash.
Stallion Dan
Member
They can still ask for donations right?
No it doesn't.
This is the same clause that sites like Deviantart and Paypal have in regards to user created content. It's a liability sponge that takes any damages away from Bethesda/Steam/Microsoft/Sony by making it so that by virtue of existing you are agreeing that licenses are permitted for the content you create. Although they technically can do things like this it is not their intent to lose good will by stealing user content. It's just a basic measure used to allow user created content to exist at all since it satisfies legal. It's more common than you think.
Stallion Dan
Member
It's ok, I'm sure a "green space ranger" skin will pop up.
HamsterExAstris
Member
If Bethesda likes your stuff they're free to wrap it up and sell it with no compensation to you.
I thought that sort of thing was pretty standard, at least for games with editors/SDKs.
Majukun
Member
that's only for third parties involed though..if bethesda wants to "buy" some of them and put them on payment,they can
that being said..i don't think it would be wise on their part,given the shitstorm that followed last time
if only the same shitstorm would come for microtransactions..instead we are once again embracing it and digging our own graves
that being said..i don't think it would be wise on their part,given the shitstorm that followed last time
if only the same shitstorm would come for microtransactions..instead we are once again embracing it and digging our own graves
dragonfart28
Banned
We need some comparison EULAs before this thread gets out of hand lol
Yes agree, though it's already proven to be suicidal to do so AFTER the the modding scene for FO4 has been established, like Skyrim.
If they plan to do paid mods, earliest is TES6.
edit: nvm misread your post
You can view the EULA yourself by visiting the URL in the image, and no.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Good. Let them be shouted down again. Let any modder who opted in be driven out like that one Skyrim winter modder.
Vincent Grayson
Member
IIRC, didn't someone from Bethesda say some time ago that paid mods were *not* coming back with Fallout 4? I swear I remember specifically seeing that comment somewhere.
True... though in all honesty, I believe there won't be any issues regarding F4 modding. I doubt the idea of mods for sale will come back anytime soon.
While I'm not entirely against the idea, implementing it in a working manner at this time is next to impossible since mods are unofficial pieces of software with no actual standards or regulation, which also often conflict with one another. If they were to be priced fair, first we'd need some sort of a quality assurance system, and in this case that doesn't really sound viable.
yeah how dare people that make mods would want to get paid for their work given the option
Lanrutcon
Member
If they want to get paid for their work, then they have to support their work. QA around things like promised functionality, working in conjunction with other mods, optimization to ensure minimal performance issues, etc. And providing support around bugs, crashes and saved game corruption.
What? that stuff isn't easy? Well shit son, if you want to be paid for your naked smurf mod then you better make sure it holds up as a paid product.
Edit: Oh, and are you using any other mods on yours? did you get the Author's consent to get paid off their work? And where did you get your assets from? do you have permission to use them in a paid product?
Majukun
Member
pretty much
the idea was implentled terribly and only for the benefit of one half of the industry..like pretty much all the things introduced in the industry since 2006
of course
Yeah... coming up with an approval system which would resolve all of those issues at this time is simply put, impossible.
while these things are true they also apply to indie games made by a single person or a very small team dont they? And they manage to work somehow
e: Im obviously not talking about mods that just remove clothing or stuff like that
The way the community vitriol was concentrated almost exclusively at the actual modding talent, instead of the shoddy execution on Valve/Bethesda's part was pretty disgusting if you ask me.
Revolutionary
Member
The Skyrim paid mods announcement was meant to pave the way for paid mods in Fallout 4. It crashed and burned so I don't think it's something they'll try again.
^ This.
Uh, mind opening it up a bit for me? Not sure what's so concerning about it
edit: oh jesus, I kept reading (g) all the time lol, no wonder the replies to your post just confused me more
Coffee
SuperBanana
Banned
Of course they will. They'll just do it smartly next time and subtle enough to not anger enough people to matter.
seems to only apply to using GECK, or whatever it's named this time
Apparently, the sims games had a similar line in their eula to not sell anything but was promptly ignored
