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[Hector Hall]

Japan really doesn't give a shit about PS5. When will Sony realize it's not the price that's the problem?

Well, just before the two price hikes PS5 did the best PlayStation year since 2002.

So yeah, price matters.

Probably there isn't a market in Japan for a home console to sell 18-20 million units. But probably there is for 10 to 12, and that's what they have to try. End up this year in some 7.5 million sold or slightly more, and I'm the last two years do 1.25 + million each and end up above 10 million.

They don't need to beat Nintendo in Japan, with 10 million sold they have assured the Japanese support and a noticeable chunk of third party sales there.

 

[LordOcidax]

Yotei boost from the new console, or is this the week it slips out of the top 30?

PS5 digital and physical sales chart are not a good match.

 

[Deerock71]

Kirby 2k in Spain, 200k in Japan

 

[yogaflame]

Yep, about 25K - 30K for PS5 following the new model's release is what I predicted. I don't see it staying that high though; it'll probably settle down to 15K - 20K weekly averages from here on out. Like I've said a long time ago, PS's problem in Japan isn't so much the hardware; it's the lack of big software appealing to the market long-term that's also exclusive.

Nintendo's got that down on lock; Sony doesn't. If you needed more proof, just look at Kirby Air Ride's sales numbers. They put 99% of PS5 releases in Japan to utter shame and that game is, for all intents and purposes (and not to downplay it in any way) a C-tier among NIntendo's games WRT name appeal and market power. It's a sequel to a game from over two decades ago that in itself was a commercial (and critical) bomb.

And yet it's done almost 200K in its debut, and that's physical only. Until PlayStation starts getting games like Kirby Air Ride, Mario Kart World, DK Bananza, Pokemon Z-A etc. on a consistent basis that are also actual exclusives (none of this "console exclusive" bullcrap), then you're not going to see them get anywhere near Nintendo's numbers. Even the basically-confirmed handheld won't push them that high, and it will probably only give game sales a modest boost at best over there.



I remember the PS2 sold 630K in two days back in the day.

Should not have been hard for the new PS5 model to help the platform collectively do even 1/10th of that in a two days (or even one week's) time frame.



The problem's always been more complicated than price, just like how it's more complicated than the system being a non-handheld or a handheld.

The actual problem is simple: PS just doesn't have enough big-appeal games for the Japanese market that are exclusive to the hardware. Nintendo does. SIE closed studios like Japan Studio because they thought games made with Japanese gaming sensibilities at their core couldn't succeed globally. Nintendo's proven countless time that SIE were completely wrong in that opinion.

Now SIE are trying play catchup one piece at a time, but it's probably too late. I don't think they'll ever be able to challenge Nintendo's market share in Japan 1:1. But they could at least return PlayStation to PS3 era numbers for hardware and software. That requires them to invest a lot more in IP like Astro Bot, Hot Shots, Parappa etc. tho, and not just GOW or TLOU or Horizon-style games.

Will they? Who has any idea anymore...

True, price is one factor, the real problem is Japan centric exclusives. Even if Sony release the PSPnxt gen right now in Japan, without an interesting games for Japan market especially exclusives,sales numbers will be weak.

Using a translate option yesterday, I read some X account of Japanese who recently bought a Ps5 and all of them are happy. However most of them are not sure what games to buy for Ps5 and ask for suggestions.

 

[LordOcidax]

Kirby 2k in Spain, 200k in Japan

No arruines la fiesta Española que tienen los fans de Sony

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

True, price is one factor, the real problem is Japan centric exclusives. Even if Sony release the PSPnxt gen right now in Japan, without an interesting games for Japan market especially exclusives,sales numbers will be weak.

Using a translate option yesterday, I read some X account of Japanese who recently bought a Ps5 and all of them are happy. However most of them are not sure what games to buy for Ps5 and ask for suggestions.

And those games should be obvious to them. I'm assuming, then, they got their PS5s because they're cheap (thanks to new pricing) and they've got a backlog of PS4 titles they can play. Plus F2P like Geshin Impact which IIRC is getting discontinued of service on PS4 soon if not having already happened.

I'm sure when Japanese gamers buy a Switch 2, they've got no question as to what games to buy. They always know there are games to buy and which ones to buy.

 

[Botan32]

Yep, about 25K - 30K for PS5 following the new model's release is what I predicted. I don't see it staying that high though; it'll probably settle down to 15K - 20K weekly averages from here on out. Like I've said a long time ago, PS's problem in Japan isn't so much the hardware; it's the lack of big software appealing to the market long-term that's also exclusive.

Nintendo's got that down on lock; Sony doesn't. If you needed more proof, just look at Kirby Air Ride's sales numbers. They put 99% of PS5 releases in Japan to utter shame and that game is, for all intents and purposes (and not to downplay it in any way) a C-tier among NIntendo's games WRT name appeal and market power. It's a sequel to a game from over two decades ago that in itself was a commercial (and critical) bomb.

And yet it's done almost 200K in its debut, and that's physical only. Until PlayStation starts getting games like Kirby Air Ride, Mario Kart World, DK Bananza, Pokemon Z-A etc. on a consistent basis that are also actual exclusives (none of this "console exclusive" bullcrap), then you're not going to see them get anywhere near Nintendo's numbers. Even the basically-confirmed handheld won't push them that high, and it will probably only give game sales a modest boost at best over there.



I remember the PS2 sold 630K in two days back in the day.

Should not have been hard for the new PS5 model to help the platform collectively do even 1/10th of that in a two days (or even one week's) time frame.



The problem's always been more complicated than price, just like how it's more complicated than the system being a non-handheld or a handheld.

The actual problem is simple: PS just doesn't have enough big-appeal games for the Japanese market that are exclusive to the hardware. Nintendo does. SIE closed studios like Japan Studio because they thought games made with Japanese gaming sensibilities at their core couldn't succeed globally. Nintendo's proven countless time that SIE were completely wrong in that opinion.

Now SIE are trying play catchup one piece at a time, but it's probably too late. I don't think they'll ever be able to challenge Nintendo's market share in Japan 1:1. But they could at least return PlayStation to PS3 era numbers for hardware and software. That requires them to invest a lot more in IP like Astro Bot, Hot Shots, Parappa etc. tho, and not just GOW or TLOU or Horizon-style games.

Will they? Who has any idea anymore...



You know, going by the pattern for PS hardware and averaging it out, PS5 digital might only hit 11K for next week. PS5 Pro will maybe be half of that at best if whatever promos were in place this tracked week stay for the next, so 5.5K. And base PS5 (physical) 20% of the Pro's, or ~ 1.1K.

So 16.6K for all PS5 systems the next week is actually quite realistic, if other factors align.

It's an era that we will never see again for a true home console.
We haven't seen that since the PS3.

 

[Botan32]

I remember the PS2 sold 630K in two days back in the day.

Should not have been hard for the new PS5 model to help the platform collectively do even 1/10th of that in a two days (or even one week's) time frame.

According to TV Tokyo, this was due to the former management of SIE, not Nishino, who, on the contrary, wants to implement measures to try to revive PlayStation in Japan to some extent.

 

[Botan32]

Totoki and Nishino are the problem. Their decisions alienated Japanese consumers and publishers by focusing on short-term profits.

According to TV Tokyo, this was due to the former management of SIE, not Nishino, who, on the contrary, wants to implement measures to try to revive PlayStation in Japan to some extent.

Sorry for triple post

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

It's an era that we will never see again for a true home console.
We haven't seen that since the PS3.

Maybe. But until SIE improve the software exclusives situation for PS in Japan, they won't be getting back to PS3 numbers even with a handheld portable to complement the home console.

 

[Karim]

23K for the Japanese only PS5… I bit disappointed… Didn't beat the Switch 1, that's a bad sign and amazing start for Kirby… + digital is probably above 300K already.

I mean...I don't expect they could change the home console fate in Japan. They can celebrate if they can keep to 15-20k of average per week but eh. Almost predictable, console start to be old and hardly you can relaunch it with a cheaper digital version (which japanese never liked particularly).

 

[Kerotan]

PS5 will end up in the same ball park as PS3 and 4. Expect profits Will be higher then any other playstation in Japan.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

PS3 had a much more mediocre reach than you believe.
There isn't a major difference between PS3 and PS4 era numbers for hardware and software. Heck, PS4 sold better for the most part and PS3 just caught up due to the very low shipments after the pandemic kicked in (in addition to the different release dates between both consoles and PS4 getting replaced faster).
PS5 is also still above PS3 in terms of hardware, software is a different thing.

Software is ultimately what matters though, and PS5 hardware will probably fall behind PS3 in Japan in due time, given the drop over the past year or so.

At best, PS5 will struggle to narrowly edge out PS3 lifetime over the next 3-4 years, but would have needed two extra CYs to do that. And that's still just hardware-only; software-wise there's zero chance PS5 catches up with PS3, even if you throw in digital.

 

[Karim]

Software is ultimately what matters though, and PS5 hardware will probably fall behind PS3 in Japan in due time, given the drop over the past year or so.

At best, PS5 will struggle to narrowly edge out PS3 lifetime over the next 3-4 years, but would have needed two extra CYs to do that. And that's still just hardware-only; software-wise there's zero chance PS5 catches up with PS3, even if you throw in digital.

nah home console are dead in Japan and games won't change it neither. Wii U proved it

 

[Saber]

nah home console are dead in Japan and games won't change it neither. Wii U proved it

WiiU proved nothing, terrible comparison.
WiiU failure is because of its way too bulk appearance, garbage material and unappealing gimmick.

 

[nial]

Software is ultimately what matters though, and PS5 hardware will probably fall behind PS3 in Japan in due time, given the drop over the past year or so.

At best, PS5 will struggle to narrowly edge out PS3 lifetime over the next 3-4 years, but would have needed two extra CYs to do that. And that's still just hardware-only; software-wise there's zero chance PS5 catches up with PS3, even if you throw in digital.

Yeah, I just don't get what's up with pretending that the PS3 era was much better than just the last PS4 generation.

Remains to be seen if it falls behind, as PS3 sales in 2012 weren't particularly notable. It was supposed to be this week, but thanks to the new price drop that wasn't the case. It's very unlikely that you will see a similar sales trend in CY 2026 as CY 2025.

Maybe. But until SIE improve the software exclusives situation for PS in Japan, they won't be getting back to PS3 numbers even with a handheld portable to complement the home console.

They will be getting back to PS3 numbers with PS5 itself. I think that you don't remember the fact that it only managed to sell 10M units, which was a big drop from PS2 doing 22M.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

nah home console are dead in Japan and games won't change it neither. Wii U proved it

Yeah, I just don't get what's up with pretending that the PS3 era was much better than just the last PS4 generation.

Remains to be seen if it falls behind, as PS3 sales in 2012 weren't particularly notable. It was supposed to be this week, but thanks to the new price drop that wasn't the case. It's very unlikely that you will see a similar sales trend in CY 2026 as CY 2025.

They will be getting back to PS3 numbers with PS5 itself. I think that you don't remember the fact that it only managed to sell 10M units, which was a big drop from PS2 doing 22M.

But the thing is, PS3 got to 10 million in shorter time than it'll seemingly take PS5 to hit 10 million. As of end of November, PS5 was at ~ 7.1 million in Japan. It'll take another 40 months for it to reach 10 million...at 72.5K units per month, or 18.125K per week.

Needless to say, that will be very difficult to occur, as there have been plenty of weeks where PS5 has done barely half that amount. So imagine them taking up to early 2029 to maybe hit PS3 numbers in Japan, even with 2 extra years to go off of. That's not a great look.

And it's really telling that PS5 will struggle hard to hit that or even PS4's numbers launch-aligned, when the PS4 was within a rounding error of PS3 for hardware sales in the same measured timespan. Plus like you've already said, the software sales situation on PS5 is a lot worst than it ever was for PS3 (even including digital), or even the PS4. That's a major problem when, ultimately, it's the software sales that really matter.

nah home console are dead in Japan and games won't change it neither. Wii U proved it

Wii U just proved that Wii U was a bad idea, IMHO. If the concept were executed better, they'd of sold way more.

We know this because software sales (particularly 1P) were extremely strong in spite of the install base size, then those games went on to blow up even further in sales once they got ported to the Switch (basically the Wii U concept actually executed competently & with appeal).

 

[nial]

But the thing is, PS3 got to 10 million in shorter time than it'll seemingly take PS5 to hit 10 million. As of end of November, PS5 was at ~ 7.1 million in Japan. It'll take another 40 months for it to reach 10 million...at 72.5K units per month, or 18.125K per week.

Needless to say, that will be very difficult to occur, as there have been plenty of weeks where PS5 has done barely half that amount. So imagine them taking up to early 2029 to maybe hit PS3 numbers in Japan, even with 2 extra years to go off of. That's not a great look.

There have been plenty of weeks where PS5 has done less when it, you know, costed 73K yen. You're applying that logic into the incompatible context of it having a way lower starting price from now on.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

There have been plenty of weeks where PS5 has done less when it, you know, costed 73K yen. You're applying that logic into the incompatible context of it having a way lower starting price from now on.

Yes, but if you're thinking that suddenly it'll consistently do 18K or even more for the remainder of the gen, then you're assuming price was the biggest bottleneck to adoption in Japan.

I'd argue it wasn't. Like I said earlier, I'm expecting next tracking week's numbers to settle between 15K - 20K, and that's probably going to be the base range for PS5 going forward in the region. However, since it's not in its peak year phase anymore, that range could always skew a bit lower, like 13K - 16K. We'll see, but I think a lot is hedged on how the numbers play out in the next couple of weeks.

For me, the biggest handicap to PS5 in Japan is always going to come down, to lack of exclusives with strong appeal to the market. That and lack of a portable/hybrid option are always going to limit PS5's ceiling very hard within the region, regardless of how cheap the system gets. Maybe, hopefully, SIE address those shortcomings in time for the PS6 generation; we know they have some plans regards that at least for hardware.

 

[LordOcidax]

The PS5 is about to fall behind the PS3 in Japan. Launch aligned. Graphic from Installbase.

 

[nial]

Yes, but if you're thinking that suddenly it'll consistently do 18K or even more for the remainder of the gen, then you're assuming price was the biggest bottleneck to adoption in Japan.

I'd argue it wasn't. Like I said earlier, I'm expecting next tracking week's numbers to settle between 15K - 20K, and that's probably going to be the base range for PS5 going forward in the region. However, since it's not in its peak year phase anymore, that range could always skew a bit lower, like 13K - 16K. We'll see, but I think a lot is hedged on how the numbers play out in the next couple of weeks.

For me, the biggest handicap to PS5 in Japan is always going to come down, to lack of exclusives with strong appeal to the market. That and lack of a portable/hybrid option are always going to limit PS5's ceiling very hard within the region, regardless of how cheap the system gets. Maybe, hopefully, SIE address those shortcomings in time for the PS6 generation; we know they have some plans regards that at least for hardware.

It is depending on how you look at it. Make no mistake, both PS3 and PS4 largely suffered from the lack of strong software for the Japanese market and it's a big part of why PS2 or PS1 numbers were never possible again. It's the biggest bottleneck to adoption in Japan if you're aiming to PS3/PS4 levels, software is the biggest bottleneck if you're aiming to PS1/PS2 levels, but that's been an issue for PS3 and PS4 as well.
Not too long ago, PS5 had the best year for a home PlayStation console in terms of hardware sales since the PS2 in 2004, it's clear that price is an issue now that it reached rock bottom levels in 2025.

 

[Killer8]

There will be a time lag on these things. The public are not permanently online nerds who are aware of everything which happens in the gaming world. Give it a week a two for Taro Yamada, salaryman, age 32, to come out of his alcoholic stupor and realise this price cut happened.

 

[nial]

The PS5 is about to fall behind the PS3 in Japan. Launch aligned. Graphic from Installbase.

Week 263:

PlayStation 3 - 38,836 (7,168,878) as of November 20, 2011
PlayStation 5 - 36,983 (7,179,733) as of November 23, 2025

Week 264:

PlayStation 3 - 30,740 (7,199,618) as of November 27, 2011
PlayStation 5 - ? (?) as of November 30, 2025

Week 265:

PlayStation 3 - 40,051 (7,239,669) as of December 4, 2011
PlayStation 5 - ? (?) as of December 7, 2025

Week 267:

PlayStation 3 - 43,518 (7,283,187) as of December 11, 2011
PlayStation 5 - ? (?) as of December 14, 2025

Week 268:

PlayStation 3 - 62,272 (7,345,459) as of December 18, 2011
PlayStation 5 - ? (?) as of December 21, 2025

Week 269:

PlayStation 3 - 71,689 (7,417,148) as of December 25, 2011
PlayStation 5 - ? (?) as of December 28, 2025

Week 270:

PlayStation 3 - 62,554 (7,479,702) as of January 1, 2012
PlayStation 5 - ? (?) as of January 4, 2026

 

[daclynk]

Yeap nothing is changing in Japan.

 

[Sephiran]

Its funny that every week people get hyped about Switch 2 dying due to Europeans buying PS5, and then they get chocked by Switch 2 sales in Japan. Maybe the fact that different games are more popular in different markets should be well known by now? Just because Europeans only care about AAA and other third party games on PS5 doesn't mean the entire world works like that.

 

[yogaflame]

Its funny that every week people get hyped about Switch 2 dying due to Europeans buying PS5, and then they get chocked by Switch 2 sales in Japan. Maybe the fact that different games are more popular in different markets should be well known by now? Just because Europeans only care about AAA and other third party games on PS5 doesn't mean the entire world works like that.

But which is in a better situation right now around the world in terms of sales? Is it Switch 2 or Ps5?

 

[Sephiran]

But which is in a better situation right now around the world in terms of sales? Is it Switch 2 or Ps5?

In march 2026 we will see which console sold most this fiscal year. If PS5 is outsold during the Switch 2s first fiscal year that would be a massive failure, it usually takes longer for that to happen. PS4 outsold Switch 1 for years after the Switch 1 released. Sony would panic if such a scenario happened already year 1 for Switch 2.

 

[nial]

In march 2026 we will see which console sold most this fiscal year. If PS5 is outsold during the Switch 2s first fiscal year that would be a massive failure, it usually takes longer for that to happen. PS4 outsold Switch 1 for years after the Switch 1 released. Sony would panic if such a scenario happened already year 1 for Switch 2.

You know that the Switch 2 releasing 4 years and 7 months into the PS5's lifecycle is different to the Switch 1 releasing 3 years and 4 months into the PS4's lifecycle, right?

 

[yogaflame]

In march 2026 we will see which console sold most this fiscal year. If PS5 is outsold during the Switch 2s first fiscal year that would be a massive failure, it usually takes longer for that to happen. PS4 outsold Switch 1 for years after the Switch 1 released. Sony would panic if such a scenario happened already year 1 for Switch 2.

Come to think of it, well technically, I think Switch 2 is already considered as tenth gen while Ps5 is 9th gen, so it will not be a fair comparison. Sw2 is brand new so there is always FOMO scenario and excitement that it is a new tech that is why sales tend to grow faster. So the fair comparison will be once Ps6 and Switch 2 is at the market at the same time. We shall see once ps6 and sw2 compete with each other possibly 2028 or 2029.0

 

[Sephiran]

You know that the Switch 2 releasing 4 years and 7 months into the PS5's lifecycle is different to the Switch 1 releasing 3 years and 4 months into the PS4's lifecycle, right?

You know Switch 2 has incredibly few big games and lacklustre third party support? If Sony can't compete with such lacklustre output on Switch 2, how will it look when Switch 2 actually has a lot of big Nintendo games and basically any worthwhile third party game on the system?

 

[nial]

You know Switch 2 has incredibly few big games and lacklustre third party support? If Sony can't compete with such lacklustre output on Switch 2, how will it look when Switch 2 actually has a lot of big Nintendo games and basically any worthwhile third party game on the system?

Mario Kart World will pretty much be the best-selling title on the system, it's a system seller on its own.

 

[Sephiran]

Mario Kart World will pretty much be the best-selling title on the system, it's a system seller on its own.

PS5 this year has gotten Clair Obscur, Arc Raiders, Cod, Battlefield 6 and much more. I mean the software situation is incredible for PS5, there should be no possibility for a system that only has a Kart racer and DK Bananza to sell anywhere near the number of units a system that has gotten all the global heavy hitting titles this year sells. It would be a gigantic sales failure for that to happen. Switch 2 simply don't have any software comparison to the games released on PS5 this year. Not only does Sony get all the big titles, the PS5 itself is cheaper than Switch 2 as well in most countries, the Switch 2 should not be able to compete with that at all.

 

[Sakura]

The reduced price PS5 is still more expensive than the PS5 was at launch in Japan. It's not going to fly off the shelves 5 years into it's life, especially with its software lineup, just because they lowered prices after raising them.

 

[nial]

PS5 this year has gotten Clair Obscur, Arc Raiders, Cod, Battlefield 6 and much more. I mean the software situation is incredible for PS5, there should be no possibility for a system that only has a Kart racer and DK Bananza to sell anywhere near the number of units a system that has gotten all the global heavy hitting titles this year sells. It would be a gigantic sales failure for that to happen. Switch 2 simply don't have any software comparison to the games released on PS5 this year. Not only does Sony get all the big titles, the PS5 itself is cheaper than Switch 2 as well in most countries, the Switch 2 should not be able to compete with that at all.

"gigantic sales failure", dear lord, stop with the dumb concern trolling. It's selling on par with the PS4 in 2018, a year that had titles like God of War, Spider-Man, Red Dead Redemption 2, COD Black Ops 4, and motherfucking Fortnite (released in 2017, but 2018 was a huge boost on popularity for the title). It's just the Switch 2 that is selling, perhaps, better than expected, probably because Mario Kart World alone will be bigger than BOTW and Super Mario Odyssey combined.

 

[VGA-Games]

Pragmata and RE9 are the most anticipated game in Japan right now. Lets see if that will help Ps5 Japan sales number next year. And also the console version of Dragon quest VII remake.

Resident Evil: Requiem is also releasing on the Nintendo Switch 2

 

[nial]

Those games are just the most anticipated by your average young adult Famitsu reader, not Japan in general.

 

[Karim]

WiiU proved nothing, terrible comparison.
WiiU failure is because of its way too bulk appearance, garbage material and unappealing gimmick.

Sure. I guess it's a coincidence that Nintendo stopped to try to release home console.

 

[Sephiran]

Sure. I guess it's a coincidence that Nintendo won't ever tries to release an home console anymore.

Lets go back in a few years and see if PS releasing a handheld makes them sell equal or close to Nintendo in Japan. I'm betting no. Why can't you just admit the fact that just like PS is more popular in Spain than Nintendo, Nintendo are just more popular in Japan? PS fanboys seem unable to admit that Sony is not kings everywhere. Nintendo has sold incredible amounts of consoles and games in their history, all while Sony fanboys day dream about Sony easily pushing Nintendo away from being a gaming power.

 

[Karim]

Lets go back in a few years and see PS releasing a handheld makes them sell equal or close to Nintendo in Japan. I'm betting no.

Nice try. The fact ps6 portable won't sell surely doesn't deny home console are fucked in Japan.

 

[Sephiran]

Nice try. The fact ps6 portable won't sell surely doesn't deny home console are fucked in Japan.

Why would it be fucked? Sony could easily just make games that are appealing there is they cared. They could make a Kirby Air Riders racer and sell in Japan. The reason they don't sell there is because they make games for Europeans/Americans, which is why they sell crazy numbers in Europe right now, they are reaching the market they are making games for, which won't ever be Japan. Just as Nintendo isn't reaching Enrique in Spain when they make Kirby Air Riders because that isn't the target audience for any of their games.

Switch Lite sold very little in Japan, which shows that Japanese want the standard Switch that they can play on the TV, otherwise why wouldn't everyone just buy the cheaper lite? Obviously being a handheld makes little difference.

 

[Karim]

Lets go back in a few years and see if PS releasing a handheld makes them sell equal or close to Nintendo in Japan. I'm betting no. Why can't you just admit the fact that just like PS is more popular in Spain than Nintendo, Nintendo are just more popular in Japan? PS fanboys seem unable to admit that Sony is not kings everywhere. Nintendo has sold incredible amounts of consoles and games in their history, all while Sony fanboys day dream about Sony easily pushing Nintendo away from being a gaming power.

Listen dude, can't give a fuck if Nintendo is less or more popular or whatever. The cruel reality is if it wasn't for the handheld market Nintendo would have give up in the market hardware from awhile. Only Nintendo fanboys can be convinced of the contrary.

 

[Saber]

Sure. I guess it's a coincidence that Nintendo stopped to try to release home console.

You've alfully obtuse. They failed with the concept so they had to win the market by proposing something different since the console market is their only form of profit, so they couldn't afford consecutive failures. Switch is a hybrid which means it still has console components like a dock, something that still persists on Switch 2 (both my brother and I use Switch fully on dock mode). Honestly I think I'm having way too much good faith talking to you.

 

[Karim]

You've alfully obtuse. They failed with the concept so they had to win the market by proposing something different since the console market is their only form of profit so they cant afford consecutive failures. Switch is a hybrid which mean it still has console components like a dock, something that still persists on Switch 2 (both my brother and I use Switch fully on dock mode). Honestly I think I'm having way too much good faith talking to you.

Ah so you say if the Switch would have only the docked mode still will sell well. Sure sure. Talking about obtusism.

 

[Sephiran]

Listen dude, can't give a fuck if Nintendo is less or more popular or whatever. The cruel reality is if it wasn't for the handheld market Nintendo would have give up in the market hardware from awhile. Only Nintendo fanboys can be convinced of the contrary.

Well they are selling handhelds that cost more than home consoles right now, with minimal problems. You act like handhelds are some low budget slop people just buy because its cheaper or something. These are pricey products and still sell great numbers.

 

[Karim]

Well they are selling handhelds that cost more than home consoles right now, with minimal problems. You act like handhelds are some low budget slop people just buy because its cheaper or something. These are pricey products and still sell great numbers.

 

[Saber]

Ah so you say if the Switch won't have an undocked mode would have sell well. Sure sure.

I didn't say that. At this point you have no interest in good faith discussion, carry on with your trolling.

 

[Karim]

I didn't say that. At this point you have no interest in good faith discussion, carry on with your trolling.

I have just said traditional home console are done in Japan. Not sure what exactly you want to debate against for.

 

[Sephiran]

Explain to me why Japanese buy a more expensive Switch that can play on TV instead of paying less for the handheld only version? Looks like Japanese enjoy playing their Switch games on TV, otherwise the sales numbers would look different.

 

[Karim]

Explain to me why Japanese buy a more expensive Switch that can play on TV instead of paying less for the handheld only version? Looks like Japanese enjoy playing their Switch games on TV, otherwise the sales numbers would look different.

Oh my God. Yeah sure the Switch sell because it's an home console it's always the same story with the Nintendo fanboys, can't survive outside their rose tinted bubble.

 

[Sephiran]

Oh my God. Yeah sure the Switch sell because it's an home console it's always the same story with Nintendo fanboy can't live outside their rose tinted bubble.

Are you just salty because you listened too much to all the PS fanboys on social media that lied to you that Switch 2 was going to fail? Its not Nintendo fanboys fault that you bet on Switch 2 flopping when that turned out to not be the case.