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[sjay1994]

So, an odd topic about Far Cry 4's villain Pagan Min is whether or not the character is gay. People were worried that ubisoft would mis represent the LGBT community with the character. Ironically, these people were also jumping to conclusions that the character was gay due the box art, how he is dressed, his hair, and his attitude to the main character Ajay in the first 5 minutes of the game.

Gameinformer published an article about the creation of Pagan Min, you can read it here.

http://www.gameinformer.com/games/f...-look-at-far-cry-4-controversial-villain.aspx

Article goes into details about the characters background, their attempt to one up Vaas, etc.

However the relationship the player character Ajay and Pagan gives details on Pagan's sexual preferences.

Pagan may be powerful, but his power isn’t unchallenged. Early into Pagan’s leadership, a resistance movement led by a man named Mohan Ghale frustrated Pagan’s supremacy with tactful guerilla skirmishes. However, Mohan and Pagan weren’t just fighting for a country; they were fighting for the love of a woman named Ishwari. When this awkward love triangle ended with Mohan’s death, Ishwari fled the country, and Pagan retreated into his palace, leaving Kyrat to his lunatic governors.

This is where players enter into the story. As Mohan’s son – a man named Ajay Ghale – players return to Kyrat for the first time since they were a child in order to scatter their mother’s ashes across the top of Kyrat’s tallest mountain.

“Pagan has lots to reveal about your mother,” says Thompson. “Pagan has a personal connection to you that you don’t understand, and he uses that as a weapon against you. He’s fun and charming, but also terrifying – evil, but weirdly friendly. He can come talk to you very matter of factly while everyone around you is being murdered. Your whole world is falling apart, but for him it’s 11 o’clock on a Tuesday.”

Also the pink suit is simply there for style. They go into detail as to why Troy Baker was casted as Pagan

“There was something arresting about his performance,” says Thompson. “We saw probably 100 to 200 video auditions beforehand, and up until that point we hadn’t seen anyone who had the confidence that Pagan Min needed. This is a man who wears a pink suit, takes over a country, installs himself as king, and says, ‘You’re all my subjects, you love me,’ The actors we saw up until that point didn’t have that. Troy Baker, right now, knows that he’s hot ---. He has an air of confidence. The room was silent when he auditioned.”

Hopefully this kills any worries of misrepresentation.

Also worth noting that I would like to see more LGBT characters in games, I just found it ridiculous people were jumping to conclusions because he was wearing purple.

 

[Crisium]

This whole thing is stupid. How is an evil character being gay negative to gays anyway? Good lord. Evil straight people don't really matter.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I still don't understand why this is a controversy. Seems as contrived as the RE5 nonsense.

 

[SexyFish]

It was ridiculous that people were assuming he was gay from his look. Looking forward to seeing more of Baker's performance in the game.

 

[mrpeabody]

He may not be gay, but he is definitely fabulous.

 

[Indignate]

I always find that wording odd.

How do you misrepresent a community as that one? Do they all have the same personality?

Or is the worry that having a homosexual villain suggest something about homosexuals in general? Wouldn't this same worry be about his race as well?

 

[Phreak47]

Welp, let the non-controversy commence then (?)

 

[Carl]

But he's wearing pink

Spoiler

I'm not serious, guys

 

[Crayons]

So he's not gay and he's not white.

A certain someone should apologize

 

[AuthenticM]

I'm disappointed. I would have liked for him to be gay. How many flamboyant gay villains have we had, really ?

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

But he's wearing pink

I wear pink.

Spoiler

I know you were joking

I'm disappointed. I would have liked for him to be gay. How many flamboyant gay villains have we had, really ?

Skyfall and Ninja Scroll come to mind. Or are we just talking games? Wasn't one of the MGS3 villains gay?

 

[Carl]

I wear pink.

Rules are rules man. If you wear pink you're gay.

Spoiler

I wasn't serious.

 

[lingpanda]

Reminds me of the guy from the movie the professional. I think his name was Leon.

 

[Aaron-Lagann]

But he's wearing pink

Some of the straightest men wear pink.

 

[Muscle Wizard]

This whole thing is stupid. How is an evil character being gay negative to gays anyway? Good lord. Evil straight people don't really matter.

Because there aren't a lot of gay protagonists in games.

 

[Gray Matter]

The fact that his sexuality was even a topic of discussion was astonishing. It doesn't matter, focus on the game mechanics/story/gameplay. That's what matters.

 

[xion4360]

hes not Gay, hes just Fabulous

 

[AuthenticM]

Skyfall and Ninja Scroll come to mind. Or are we just talking games? Wasn't one if the MGS3 villains gay?

I was talking about games, but yeah, Volgin counts. That's only one though; name me 9 others. I don't think you could.

 

[Krusenstern]

tghm1801 mus be feeling stupid now.

 

[SexyFish]

I wear pink.


Skyfall and Ninja Scroll come to mind. Or are we just talking games? Wasn't one if the MGS3 villains gay?

MGS3 has

Spoiler

bisexuality with Volgin and Major Raikov

.

Metal Gear Solid 2 also had

Spoiler

Vamp who was also bisexual.

 

[Goteki_45]

Reminds me of the guy from the movie the professional. I think his name was Leon.

 

[Alcotholic]

I think it's dumb to attach a sexuality to a virtual character. For all we know the main dude could be gay. Who cares?

 

[Unbounded]

I'm disappointed. I would have liked for him to be gay. How many flamboyant gay villains have we had, really ?

Spoiler

...Hades...? I mean, at least he is flamboyant. No idea on the gay part.

 

[Deadbeat]

Welp, let the non-controversy commence then (?)

Its so typical that a non white person is the bad guy.

 

[abstract alien]

I swear, anything can be made into an "issue" in this age.

 

[Slixshot]

This whole thing is stupid. How is an evil character being gay negative to gays anyway? Good lord. Evil straight people don't really matter.

.

 

[sjay1994]

I was talking about games, but yeah, Volgin counts. That's only one though; name me 9 others. I don't think you could.

Thats why I love Kojima. He just doesn't give a fuck.

It's why I actually want goodbye sausage to be real.

 

[lingpanda]

Sorry its the main villain in that movie. Whats his name?

 

[Indignate]

Its so typical that a non white person is the bad guy.

As oppose to what? White people being the bad guy?

Because there are a ton of those too.

 

[MattyG]

Well thank God no one jumped to conclusions then.

 

[Trigonometrize.]

I think it's dumb to attach a sexuality to a virtual character. For all we know the main dude could be gay. Who cares?

You're implying that sexuality has zero potential impact on a character. That's probably not true for at least some cases.

 

[blame space]

I told you guys he was barely a three on the Kinsey scale.

 

[BBboy20]

MALE LOOKS FLAMBOYANT AND WEARS PINK; MUST MEAN HOMOSEXUALITY: The "Controversy".

 

[sjay1994]

As oppose to what? White people being the bad guy?

Because there are a ton of those too.

 

[Servbot24]

I think it's embarrassing that people think a certain demeanor absolutely must equate to someone being gay. And after making that ridiculous assumption, they get all indignant over the supposedly gay character being a villain.

 

[BabyFaceKillah]

Calling this shit now.... You are really Pegan Min's son and its gonna be a twist reveal midway through the game.

 

[plasmawave]

People who jumped the gun on this should be ashamed of themselves.
Ironically they were the ones displaying their own stereotypical views of gays.

 

[Krusenstern]

Well thank God no one jumped to conclusions.

Forgot there was this one too.
We had a more recent one aswell.

 

[Hex]

Shit is getting asinine.
This will be ignored for the most part and the next shred of anything to jump on will be seized with no hesitation.
Reality doesn't stir the masses nearly as well.

 

[zeldablue]

I'm disappointed. I would have liked for him to be gay. How many flamboyant gay villains have we had, really ?

...G...

Ghirahim from Zelda: Skyward Sword maybe

 

[blame space]

I like how people are "calling" a twist reveal. like he won't be dead in 6 hours and then you're left with a less impactful version of him.

 

[Satch]

wait, ubi never said he was gay in the first place?

mess, all these threads had me thinking he was a queen, with yall fibbing asses

 

[ubersticky]

I still don't understand why this is a controversy. Seems as contrived as the RE5 nonsense.

What RE5 nonsense?

 

[Goteki_45]

Sorry its the main villain in that movie. Whats his name?

Gary Oldman/Stansfield

 

[Kelsey]

I'm disappointed. I would have liked for him to be gay. How many flamboyant gay villains have we had, really ?

I'm not sure if you'd classify him as flamboyant, but Handsome Jack from Borderlands 2 was gay. Or at the very least bisexual.

 

[AppleMIX]

I'm going to bet that some journalist is going to make a article about how FC4 antagonist not being gay was a missed opportunity.

Calling it now.

 

[sjay1994]

What RE5 nonsense?

People mad that white man killed black zombies in Africa.

 

[Village]

I still don't understand why this is a controversy. Seems as contrived as the RE5 nonsense.

I have no idea about what non-sense your are speaking.

On topic though, uh is the dude super effeminate but not explicitly gay or just wearing a pink suit?

Super effeminate but not explicitly gay villain man from what I understand is a get out of dodge trope that has been going on for a while, that some people aren't appreciative of.

People mad that white man killed black zombies in Africa.

No.

People were mad people were killing black inarticulate stereotypes of black people in Africa.

Like grass skirt with a spear guy.

 

[lingpanda]

Gary Oldman

Thx.

 

[Delta Assault]

Let's hope these people never happen to watch Silence of the Lambs...