Far-right Proud Boys (not) classified by FBI as extremist group - "ties to white nationalism" (Updated: Read OP)

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UPDATE:
If we are asking if liberals have gone too far, I think they took a poorly worded memo from Clark County and conflated a couple of things.

Here is an update:

Head of Oregon’s FBI: Bureau doesn’t designate Proud Boys as extremist group


The FBI has not designated the Proud Boys, whose members routinely appear at right-wing protests in downtown Portland, as an extremist group, Oregon’s top FBI agent said Tuesday.

The FBI never intended to do so when it briefed Clark County law enforcement leaders recently about regional threats, Special Agent in Charge Renn Cannon said during a wide-ranging meeting with media at the bureau’s Portland headquarters.

His comments directly counter an internal Clark County Sheriff’s Office memo that suggested otherwise and drew national attention.

Read more at the link:
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/20...-designate-proud-boys-as-extremist-group.html

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The FBI now classifies the far-right Proud Boys as an “extremist group with ties to white nationalism”, according to a document produced by Washington state law enforcement.
The Proud Boys was founded by the Vice Media co-founder Gavin McInnes. McInnes has insisted that his group is not white nationalist or “alt-right” but the Proud Boys have a history of misogyny and glorifying violence. The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) lists them as a hate group.
The document concludes that membership in the Proud Boys may constitute a violation of the Clark county sheriff’s department oath to support and protect the laws of the United States, since Proud Boys “members have been documented as having called for the closure of all prisons, the issuing of firearms to everyone, the legalization of all drugs, the deportation of all illegal immigrants and the shutdown of the government”.
The FBI did not directly address the designation or the briefing in response to specific email questions, but did say that while “the FBI does not and will not police ideology”, the agency “regularly assesses intelligence regarding possible threats and works closely to share that information with our federal, state and local law enforcement partners”.
Have liberals gone too far or is the FBI justified?
 
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closure of all prisons, the issuing of firearms to everyone, the legalization of all drugs, the deportation of all illegal immigrants and the shutdown of the government
Thats not even extreme so much as its batshit insane.
 
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So are these takeaways correct:

1) FBI haven’t confirmed the designation. Info comes from local police.

2) SPLC name dropped. Might as well say they are Vampires too!

3) They talk about 2018 events incorrectly that have been debunked by live footage by independent news sources.

4) They prop up an argument based on a woman who was in the group in 2016-2017

Anyone else get those points?

Edit for clarity
 
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When antifa was labelled a "domestic terrorist group", it was by proclamation from FBI and DHS.

I'll wait for similar trumpet-blowing before I put stock into this one. Their behavior sounds alarming, so if this is genuine then good riddance.
 
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In my eyes, I never saw anything about the group that would make me think they were any good. Kinda like antifa but at least antifa(only in name) had the right idea.... initially
 
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The Guardian is left wing propaganda. Nothing more. Remember when PayPal banned Proud Boys and Antifa? The Guardian wanted to cry about that, because 'antifa aren't violent extremists' despite tons of videos on youtube showing the 'peaceful anti-facists' attacking people in the streets for wearing Trump gear.
 
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The Guardian is left wing propaganda. Nothing more. Remember when PayPal banned Proud Boys and Antifa? The Guardian wanted to cry about that, because 'antifa aren't violent extremists' despite tons of videos on youtube showing the 'peaceful anti-facists' attacking people in the streets for wearing Trump gear.
Its not just The Guardian reporting this you know ,

Proud Boys are a violent extremest group
 
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I mean its just consistent a year ago antifa was declared a extremist group so why shouldn't proud boys or whatever else group be it some black identity groups or white identity groups or islamist or neonazi larpers that act similarly not be declared the same.
I am all for it that the gov keeps the thump on these kinda groups so they dont grow out of proportion or go from low level street harassment and rare cases of actual violence to organized crime or even terrorism and become over the years something like ms13 or whatever.
 
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I mean its just consistent a year ago antifa was declared a extremist group so why shouldn't proud boys or whatever else group be it some black nationalists or islamist or neonazi larpers that act similarly not be declared the same.
I am all for it that the gov keeps the thump on these kinda groups so they dont grow out of proportion or go from low level street harassment and rare cases of actual violence to organized crime or even terrorism and become over the years something like ms13 or whatever.
Because the Proud Boys' entire message is politically benign. Supporting Western values (free speech, entrepreneurship, celebrating the family and the housewife), minimal government, anti illegal immigration. The most controversial thing is fought off masked anarchists while escorting a New York Times best selling author (Ann Coulter) while she was headed to a speech on a university campus and in general, fought off masked anarchists in other scenarios whose violence I've seen firsthand.

Proud Boys‘ values center on the following tenets:


Minimal Government
Maximum Freedom
Anti-Political Correctness
Anti-Drug War
Closed Borders
Anti-Racial Guilt
Anti-Racism
Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment)
Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)
Glorifying the Entrepreneur
Venerating the Housewife
Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism
I think if people knew what the hell they were talking about, the overwhelming majority of United States citizens would agree with their message. That's why I don't think they belong in the same breath as ANTIFA.
 
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Did the founder not say to join the group you need to get into a fight

This is even on their Wiki

Membership
The Proud Boys say they have an initiation process that has four stages and includes hazing. The first stage is a loyalty oath, the second is getting punched until the person recites pop culture trivia, the third is getting a tattoo and agreeing to not masturbate, and the fourth is getting into a major fight "for the cause."
and a quote from their founder

Mr McInnes believes violence is integral to securing change, telling the US website Metro last year: “People say if someone’s fighting, go get a teacher. No, if someone’s f***ing up your sister, put them in the hospital.”

He repeated the opinion in a Media Matters video, stating: “What’s the matter with fighting? Fighting solves everything. The war on fighting is the same as the war on masculinity.
The Independent
 
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Because the Proud Boys' entire message is politically benign. Supporting Western values (free speech, entrepreneurship, celebrating the family and the housewife), minimal government, anti illegal immigration. The most controversial thing is fought off masked anarchists while escorting a New York Times best selling author (Ann Coulter) while she was headed to a speech on a university campus and in general, fought off masked anarchists in other scenarios whose violence I've seen firsthand.



I think if people knew what the hell they were talking about, the overwhelming majority of United States citizens would agree with their message. That's why I don't think they belong in the same breath as ANTIFA.
Yup, the rest of the time they just go for drinks and promote their small businesses. And that is not a joke...they are mostly very constructive and decent people.
 
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"Venerating the housewife"

More like reinstating the housewife because they long for a romanticized version of the past kek

Why would we take half the able bodied workers in our population and encourage them to be babysitters?
 
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If these groups are label Domestic Terror Groups, does that mean they will be tried as terrorist when they carry out an attack?
Nobody has charged antifa with terror offenses, despite it carrying out attacks regularly and being also labelled a domestic terror group by department of homeland security.

Proud boys have been attacked numerous times by the usual suspects. Media did a piss-poor job of attributing blame on them/victim blaming last time they were set upon.

Judging by their politics, they are hardcore classical liberals and never start violent confrontations. Far-Right labels mean nothing anymore mainly due to who is using them and why.
 
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Yeah man totally, black lives matter are definitely a menace to society

Lmao what am I reading?

Let me guess, “but ALL lives matter”
this is how it works.

whataboutism is king.

Long gone is the day when you could objectively discuss a topic in hand, positively or negatively - because someone is likely to have their feelings hurt in this age of tribalism.
 
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Did the founder not say to join the group you need to get into a fight

This is even on their Wiki
How catastrophically stupid does one need to be to read through those hazing "requirements", get to the part about men agreeing not to masturbate and still some how believe them to be steadfast requirments of entry?!
 
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How catastrophically stupid does one need to be to read through those hazing "requirements", get to the part about men agreeing not to masturbate and still some how believe them to be steadfast requirments of entry?!
So your just going to ignore the second part of that comment aye ..

removing context works great i see
 
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Mate, you are the champion of removing context.

The fact that you completely missed, or rather ignored, the context in both of your "examples" is telling.
The founder himself telling you he endorses violence , violence being one of the major components to join them , and there constant news converge of being a violent group is not enough to tell you that they are violent , you must be purposely looking the other way if you think otherwise , the evidence is clear to see.

 
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Did you look at the URL of the link you cited? "Proud Boys" "Far Right" "Fascism" "White Supremacy." Holy buzzwords, Batman. Let's look at the opening "paragraph", shall we?

Three people were arrested on the streets of New York City last week as violence erupted between members of the far-right political group known as "Proud Boys" and leftist protesters from Antifa.
Why weren't Antifa labeled as "far left" in the description? That's odd, no? Moving on;

No members of the “new right” organisation were arrested but onlookers said its members had been at the heart of the fighting outside of the Metropolitical Republican Club, where their leader, Gavin McInnes, was giving an address.
Huh. So none of the people arrested were from the "fascist" "far right" "white supremacist" Proud Boys? That's not helping your "violent extremist" narrative. Moving on;

Mr McInnes - a Canadian and founding member of what would become Vice Media in 1994 before he fell out with co-founders Shane Smith and Suroosh Alvi - has long held white supremacist views.

“I love being white and I think it’s something to be very proud of," he told The New York Times in 2003. “I don’t want our culture diluted. We need to close the borders now and let everyone assimilate to a Western, white, English-speaking way of life.’’
"I love being black," said the black man.
"I love being asian," said the asian man.
"I love being jewish," said the jewish man.
"I love being white," said the racist.

Proud Boys-elect are required to pledge allegiance first, before they forswear masturbation.
You didn't laugh when you read that? It's clear it's a joke. "No Fap [insert day/week/month]" is a meme. Moving on;

Mr McInnes believes violence is integral to securing change, telling the US website Metro last year: “People say if someone’s fighting, go get a teacher. No, if someone’s f***ing up your sister, put them in the hospital.”
"If somebody is attacking your sister, don't wait for the cops to come and stop it. Stop it yourself by fucking the attacker up then and there." <- Is this your "omg he calls for violence" source? Are you joking? I don't care to continue on at this point. It's clearly nothing but far left propaganda masquerading as news.
 
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Why weren't Antifa labeled as "far left" in the description? That's odd, no? Moving on;
Some dont see them as Far left, plus the Far-right is something the Proud Boys call themselves. There "defensive" arm are called the Alt-Knight .. you can see where this leads to


Huh. So none of the people arrested were from the "fascist" "far right" "white supremacist" Proud Boys? That's not helping your "violent extremist" narrative. Moving on;
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/proud-boys-arrests-new-york-city-brawl-fight-gavin-mcinnes-2018-10-22/

what was that ?

"I love being black," said the black man.
"I love being asian," said the asian man.
"I love being jewish," said the jewish man.
"I love being white," said the racist.
about that

"If somebody is attacking your sister, don't wait for the cops to come and stop it. Stop it yourself by fucking the attacker up then and there." <- Is this your "omg he calls for violence" source? Are you joking? I don't care to continue on at this point. It's clearly nothing but far left propaganda masquerading as news.
watch the video above before you decide to defend asshats
 
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Oh, racial slurs are bad? I'm sure Michael Che will be fired from Saturday Night Live any day now...


I'm sure Chris Matthews will be fired from MSNBC any day now...


I'm sure Seth Rogen will be banned from twitter any day now...


Lool

You're just going to handwave him calling someone a Sand Nigger and Filthy Jew.

What did he call a trans person .. " Gender Nigger"

What a thing to defend.. and yes racial slurs are bad . we are not talking about Michael Che or Seth Rogan , your sad attempt at whatabout is not going to work here. Stick to the topic or dont bother
 
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Lool

You're just going to handwave him calling someone a Sand Nigger and Dirty Jew..

What a thing to defend.. and yes racial slurs are bad . we are not talking about Michael Che or Seth Rogan , your sad attempt at whatabout is not going to work here. Stick to the topic or dont bother
When did I defend him? I merely showed you the blatant-fucking-hypocrisy when it comes to racism. If your side can use racial slurs, you don't get to complain about others doing it. Equality and such.
 
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The founder himself telling you he endorses violence , violence being one of the major components to join them , and there constant news converge of being a violent group is not enough to tell you that they are violent , you must be purposely looking the other way if you think otherwise , the evidence is clear to see.


:pie_thinking:

The person who was apparently attacked has the first response of blocking a journalist looking to report on the problem. Cool story.

And again with referring to the "hazing" rituals... Like, do you even attempt to make a genuine argument or is it always going to do the same disingenuous bullshit?

When did I defend him? I merely showed you the blatant-fucking-hypocrisy when it comes to racism. If your side can use racial slurs, you don't get to complain about others doing it. Equality and such.
The racist vitriol spewed by the left at any minority that doesn't support their ideology is fucking insane tbh.
 
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When did I defend him? I merely showed you the blatant-fucking-hypocrisy when it comes to racism. If your side can use racial slurs, you don't get to complain about others doing it. Equality and such.
Hypocrisy when it comes to racism ? Who the fuck is having that argument, this is about Proud Boys, by extension if that is the path you want to wonder down then you are agreeing that the Proud Boys and their founder are racist which goes against everything you have been posting , i think you dropped the ball here when you wanted to try that whataboutism nonsense

The person who was apparently attacked has the first response of blocking a journalist looking to report on the problem. Cool story.

And again with referring to the "hazing" rituals... Like, do you even attempt to make a genuine argument or is it always going to do the same disingenuous bullshit?
Calling me disingenuous is bold considering your willing to back a man who is anti-semitic and calls people Gender Niggers , then gloss over all the evidence that they have been told to go out and look for fights

Defend this

 
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Calling me disingenuous is bold considering your willing to back a man who is anti-semitic and calls people Gender Niggers , then gloss over all the evidence that they have been told to go out and look for fights
Jesus fucking christ... I am going to say this really slowly for you because apparently you still cannot read and comprehend these words.

You. Are. Using. An. Obviously. Facetious. Rituals. Such. As. Stopping. Men. From. Masturbating. And. Some. How. Thinking. They. Are. Actually. Serious.

Are you actually that dense? Tell me. Read those words. SLOWLY. Comprehend them, then actually respond.

You are taking videos, removing every single bit of context and then proclaiming moral superiority.

So again, you are the champion of removing context.
 
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Jesus fucking christ... I am going to say this really slowly for you because apparently you still cannot read and comprehend these words.

You. Are. Using. An. Obviously. Facetious. Rituals. Such. As. Stopping. Men. From. Masturbating. And. Some. How. Thinking. They. Are. Actually. Serious.

Are you actually that dense? Tell me. Read those words. SLOWLY. Comprehend them, then actually respond.

You are taking videos, removing every single bit of context and then proclaiming moral superiority.

So again, you are the champion of removing context.
No context was removed your just trying to scramble to get your shit in order because you've been defending a racist violent creature.

Again in his own words , you cant get as clear as this. Gavin preaches violence from the start to finish . But keep on being blind lol its just insulting my IQ at this point having to explain to someone what violence and racism is



The person who was apparently attacked has the first response of blocking a journalist looking to report on the problem. Cool story.

And again with referring to the "hazing" rituals... Like, do you even attempt to make a genuine argument or is it always going to do the same disingenuous bullshit?

The man who showed up on Berger’s doorstep appears to be Kenneth Lizardo, 54, a self-proclaimed Proud Boy who lives in Massachusetts. The license plate that Berger snapped in the photo, along with various public records, led us to Lizardo, whose Facebook page is decked out in Proud Boy regalia. Berger confirmed that the guy on the right in the photo below, Lizardo, is the man who showed up at his house:
Hmmmm
 
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Defence force for everything these days even white nationalism.


Oh, racial slurs are bad? I'm sure Michael Che will be fired from Saturday Night Live any day now...
Typical case that we see in Gaf now , when your clutching for straws it's what about black people , built a stronger argument rather than using minorities as your get out of jail card
 
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Oh, racial slurs are bad? I'm sure Michael Che will be fired from Saturday Night Live any day now...


I'm sure Chris Matthews will be fired from MSNBC any day now...


I'm sure Seth Rogen will be banned from twitter any day now...

Yes because Cracker carries the same weight that Nigger does...

Poor white poeple! Equality!!! Why can’t we use the N word?! REEEEEEEE
 
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this is how it works.

whataboutism is king.

Long gone is the day when you could objectively discuss a topic in hand, positively or negatively - because someone is likely to have their feelings hurt in this age of tribalism.
It's not like you all don't come into every topic about Democrats screwing up whining about "But orange man worse!".
 
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They're clearly a white supremacist gang, despite whatever disclaimers they put out there to the contrary. You don't co-sponsor events with neo-Nazi groups and invite them to your rallies repeatedly if you aren't aligned with their cause. If you've ever listened to any of these guys talk for 2 minutes, they're all obsessed with hating Jews, blacks, immigrants, and every other minority. They're a reactionary hate group.

And yeah, it's this kind of baby-ish contrarianism. "People complained about white people being bigots, so we're going to be super bigots!"
 
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According to Gavin, I am at war with him:

“To fight against transphobia is to justify [tr*nnies]. To justify [tr*nnies] is to allow mentally ill people to mutilate themselves. When your actions are getting people mutilated, you’re at war with them.”

He also believes women want to be abused. His own words.

“Through trial and error, I learned [women] want to be downright abused. When I stopped playing nice and began totally defiling the women I slept with, the number of them willing to sleep with me went through the roof.”

Denies the holocaust:

“Like at one point, the [Yad Vashem] tour guide goes, ‘You know, and there are people who think that this didn’t happen.’ And I felt myself defending the super-far-right Nazis, just because I was sick of so much brainwashing. And I felt like going, ‘Well, they never said it didn’t happen. What they’re saying is that it was much less than six million and that they starved to death and they weren’t gassed.'”

Said being a trump support is like being black in 1945:

“So we left, and I was like: We’re the new n****rs. MAGA is the new Black. Like John Lennon said, “Women are the n****rs of the world.” MAGA is the new Black people. If you like Trump, you are a Black man in 1945 trying to have water at a liberal fountain.”

And finally...

"We will kill you. That's the Proud Boys in a nutshell."