FCC Listing appears for the Nintendo Switch.

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Why is this no surprise? All previous Nintendo handhelds had a user removable battery.
Because we've already had a pretty decent look at the system in footage and photos and it was obvious that it wasn't going to open up to allow access to the battery. The time or surprise was 2 months ago.
 

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His 5GHz latency is 11ms and the 2.4GHz is 10ms
5GHz is trash, latency is everything in online play.
That could have been because I shifted like a foot away from the WiFi when I rolled over in bed 😆 lol but plus lost some upload too!
 

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The real news is that now we know what code name joins the family of NES, HVC, DMG, SNS, NUS, DOL, AGB, RVL, WUP

it's... HAC

Handheld And Console?
 

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Your 50 feel the same compared to my 4mbps ;(
Damn... I only pay for 150mbps Internet too. But the same day Comcast gave me a 1tb limit is the same day I got that boost to 230.its like thanks but all you did was make it so I will go over the 1tb faster....
 

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As someone who lives in a country where data for phones is expensive, it makes no difference to me if there is a sim card option, I would never use it.

I think most countries outside of US mobile data is super expensive (is it in Japan? That would make a lot of sense)
 

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Damn... I only pay for 150mbps Internet too. But the same day Comcast gave me a 1tb limit is the same day I got that boost to 230.its like thanks but all you did was make it so I will go over the 1tb faster....
At least we don't have caps (yet) around here. 1Tb would take almost a whole month downloading 24/7 at full speed, lol.
 

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At least we don't have caps (yet) around here. 1Tb would take almost a whole month downloading 24/7 at full speed, lol.
That's the downside I could do it in about less than a day? Steam downloads at 28MB a sec so about what? 10 or so hours my cap would be reached. Though people do say as long as it's not over because of torrents they don't care but I'm not trusting that.


Back on topic though lol the 5ghz doesn't mean much though if the downloads are slow on there end.
 

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The real news is that now we know what code name joins the family of NES, HVC, DMG, SNS, NUS, DOL, AGB, RVL, WUP

it's... HAC

Handheld And Console?
Yep I'm surprised this isn't discussed more, I posted on page 2 (default ppp setting) but nothing. Dock is HAT too.

For the moment, I'll go for
Hybrid Abomination Console & Hybrid Abomination Terminal.
 

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Yep I'm surprised this isn't discussed more, I posted on page 2 (default ppp setting) but nothing. Dock is HAT too.

For the moment, I'll go for
Hybrid Abomination Console & Hybrid Abomination Terminal.
Does Nintendo use different codes for dev tools? Maybe the dock is dev version. Or typo. Otherwise would be a weird departure for them.
 

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Some interesting stuff in there. From a cursory reading:

  • Switch's model no is HAC-001, the dock/AC adaptor is HAC-002, game card is HAC-008 and the joy-cons seems to be HAC-015 and HAC-016 (not sure which is which, though).
  • The impression I get is that the A/C adaptor is in the dock, as it doesn't mention them separately, although I'm not 100% sure.
    Edit: Maybe not. They also mention a SDEV Cradle (HAT-003) which may be a stand-in for the dock (in which case the consumer version of the dock is likely HAC-003).
  • "AC Adapter input: AC 100 – 240 V, 50 / 60 Hz, 1 A" is a power brick with worldwide compatibility. This heavily points towards the console being region-free.
  • "AC Adapter output: DC 5 V – DC 15 V, 2.6 A" means the maximum total power draw of Switch is 39W, although obviously that would just be during charging (it's possible that it uses the 15V USB-C spec while charging and drops down to 5V when fully charged and running a game, but that's just my speculation). If so, it should charge pretty quickly (although this depends on the battery as well).
  • Support for both 2.4GHz and 5GHz Wifi, including 802.11ac MIMO.
  • Bluetooth support, obviously enough. The existence of a low energy mode means Bluetooth 4.0 or later.
All if this sounds great.
Also, thank god for no 3G/LTE. One of the Vita's biggest mistakes at launch.
 

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All if this sounds great.
Also, thank nicolas cage for no 3G/LTE. One of the Vita's biggest mistakes at launch.
Yeah I'd rather just make a network with my phone if I really want to play online games on the go.
 

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Yeah I'd rather just make a network with my phone if I really want to play online games on the go.
I'd also rather not pay at least $50 extra for a feature I'll never use.

Is online gaming even viable using LTE?
 

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Great to see 5GHZ confirmed, i was asking for this yesterday. Really hope that the adapter is in the dock, I don't see a good reason to have it external considering that the dock doesn't have internal components (except for hdmi circuitry and stuff like that). Non removable battery is pretty stupid on many levels.

About the 37W adapter, i'm wondering if power consumption is around 18-20W when docked, which would possibly indicate performances at least on par with TX1?

His 5GHz latency is 11ms
and the 2.4GHz is 10ms
5GHz is trash, latency is everything in online play.
Dat 1ms
 

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All if this sounds great.
Also, thank god for no 3G/LTE. One of the Vita's biggest mistakes at launch.
Yeah I'd rather just make a network with my phone if I really want to play online games on the go.
I'd also rather not pay at least $50 extra for a feature I'll never use.

Is online gaming even viable using LTE?
The 3G function wasnt just ment for games, but to make the Vita even a more portable device, to use for web browsing, Google Maps and such things. I wouldnt really call it a mistake because it was a seperate model and i dont think it hurt the Vita at all over all. That said, personally i got the 3G model at launch and didnt use that function much. I used it a few times for the Near function, but not much else. So its not something thats really necessary for Switch, in my opinion.
 
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The decision to go with a non-removeable battery should only be praised, it's forward thinking design that'll allow Nintendo to better use the internal volume of the Switch, which of course opens the door for a higher capacity battery or more components elsewhere.

If Nintendo's previous handhelds were designed for easy swapping out of batteries I might understand disappointment, but nintendo's included USB-C here so you can even charge the device away from the mains with a portable battery.
 

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Simplest answer is Handheld And Console = HAC. Just like how DMG stands for Dot Matrix Game, and the code for Game Boy which uses a dot matrix screen.
The man previously in charge of Xbox was also involved in developing the game boy's screen. Well, TIL.
 

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Today's WiFi can make use of two available bands, 2.4GHz and 5GHz, with 5GHz being the newer of the two bands. Long story short, without getting into the nitty gritty, in most use cases 5Ghz will be faster than 2.4GHz.
Also notable is that if you live in an apartment building (or similar) with tons of competing wireless networks saturating the airwaves, 5ghz can be a godsend (typically less of them around, and stronger reception albeit over shorter distances).
 

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Also notable is that if you live in an apartment building (or similar) with tons of competing wireless networks saturating the airwaves, 5ghz can be a godsend (typically less of them around, and stronger reception albeit over shorter distances).
Yeah if you're in a apartment you would probably want to with 5ghz or a wired connection she possible.

The issue with 2.4 GHz is a lot of other wireless devices are on the same frequency like cordless phones or baby monitors. The other issue is even though there are technically 11 channels of slightly different frequencies for 2.4 they all overlap besides 1, 6 and 11. 5 has more channels and they don't overlap. Sadly the FCC was a little short sighted by not making more of the 2.4 GHz spectrum available for anyone to use but I don't think anyone could of guessed how common wireless devices would become.
 

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Hmm, I wasn't aware of that. The FCC are likely recording what's on the label, though, so it still indicates a change from their prior practices.

Haha I guessed right that total power output would be around 40W to account for all the USB ports in the dock.

This also means that the USB-C port isn't a Power Delivery port, so no 100W output. Just the standard 15W output.
USB Power Delivery v2 has 5V, 9V, 15V & 20V implementations at up to 3A, so the specs are entirely within the bounds of the USB PD standards. Not all USB-PD devices have to support 100W charging.

"HAC"? I kinda expected the model identifier to be NX or WLF (Wolf). So maybe neither are canonical codenames? That's usually how it goes (DOL, RVL, NTR, etc.)
It's probably some internal codename (3DS's CTR is still a bit of a mystery), and they're always 3 letters*, which would rule out NX anyway.

*Except Super Famicom, which was SHVC.

Yep I'm surprised this isn't discussed more, I posted on page 2 (default ppp setting) but nothing. Dock is HAT too.

For the moment, I'll go for
Hybrid Abomination Console & Hybrid Abomination Terminal.
The dock used in the filing is marked as SDEV, so it's likely development hardware. I'd imagine the T stands for test (to differentiate from the consumer version).

Great to see 5GHZ confirmed, i was asking for this yesterday. Really hope that the adapter is in the dock, I don't see a good reason to have it external considering that the dock doesn't have internal components (except for hdmi circuitry and stuff like that). Non removable battery is pretty stupid on many levels.

About the 37W adapter, i'm wondering if power consumption is around 18-20W when docked, which would possibly indicate performances at least on par with TX1?
I wouldn't read too much into performance from the power supply, the maximum power draw is likely only when charging.
 

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I wouldn't read too much into performance from the power supply, the maximum power draw is likely only when charging.
Well, people used the Wii U's power adapter back in the WUSTs to support their argument about the machine being weak, and they didn't end up being wrong. I know this doesn't give us specific numbers but maybe we can use it to make guesses about the ballpark.

Personally, i don't see a reason for a 37W adapter if the console draws 10W or less when docked, but maybe i'm missing something.
 

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Some interesting stuff in there. From a cursory reading:

  • "AC Adapter input: AC 100 – 240 V, 50 / 60 Hz, 1 A" is a power brick with worldwide compatibility. This heavily points towards the console being region-free.

I don't know about this sort of thing, so perhaps you could help understand something. I had assumed games consoles were region locked with software and that, for consumer electronics in general, a universal power brick was used to save money in production and manufacturing.

What was I getting wrong? Is the pointing to region free based on Nintendo doing it before, the industry in general or something else?
 

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Glad they didn't skimp on wifi. Was a realistic possibility with this company.
Sad, but true.

Nintendo really needs to learn cost control from other consumer electronics manufacturers. For generations they have been selling age old hardware with a premium price yet still fail to make a huge profit from it.
 

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Well, people used the Wii U's power adapter back in the WUSTs to support their argument about the machine being weak, and they didn't end up being wrong. I know this doesn't give us specific numbers but maybe we can use it to make guesses about the ballpark.

Personally, i don't see a reason for a 37W adapter if the console draws 10W or less when docked, but maybe i'm missing something.
The difference is that Wii U is a stationary console, whereas this isn't. Even ignoring attached USB devices, if the Switch requires only 10W to run while in docked mode, it still needs to be able to charge while running. So it's impossible for us to tell what proportion is being used to power the device and what proportion is being used to charge the battery.

I don't know about this sort of thing, so perhaps you could help understand something. I had assumed games consoles were region locked with software and that, for consumer electronics in general, a universal power brick was used to save money in production and manufacturing.

What was I getting wrong? Is the pointing to region free based on Nintendo doing it before, the industry in general or something else?
Well, typically Nintendo has shipped region specific chargers (or more specifically labelled them as being region specific), so moving to chargers which fully support all regions and and are labelled as such is a notable change for Nintendo, and one which they would be likely to do if they were releasing a region-free console.

It's not the only piece of evidence to suggest it, though. Iwata commented on it a couple of years ago, there have been numerous rumours recently suggesting it, and on the Switch used on Jimmy Fallon you could see a CE mark (indicating it's certified for use in Europe, which there wouldn't have been any reason to do for a region-specific model).