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[donny2112]

Was gone for over a week. Sorry for the delay! Yes, the March period is 5 weeks, so the thread should go up later this week.

Since not all the results are public, no numerical results are shown here. Also, to prevent backing out the numbers, only the monthly results for the top 3 predictors are shown. Annual results are still full results, though.

NeoGAF Prediction Results - February 2017

Units

1. Conduit
2. Primethius
3. Raylan


Points

     February 2017                   Overall 2017 Top (2/2)
01.  Conduit                ---.--   ethomaz                ---.--
02.  Primethius             ---.--   BlackBuzzard           ---.--
03.  Raylan                 ---.--   noobie                 ---.--
04.                         ---.--   Primethius             ---.--
05.                         ---.--   Raylan                 ---.--
06.                         ---.--   RexNovis               ---.--
07.                         ---.--   Sterok                 ---.--
08.                         ---.--   Kayant                 ---.--
09.                         ---.--   mejin                  ---.--
10.                         ---.--   Fdkn                   ---.--
11.                         ---.--   theprodigy             ---.--
12.                         ---.--   freefornow             ---.--
13.                         ---.--   Elandyll               ---.--
14.                         ---.--   Ravage_Hydra           ---.--
15.                         ---.--   Rymuth                 ---.--
16.                         ---.--   CorporateClown         ---.--
17.                         ---.--   robo                   ---.--
18.                         ---.--   Bruno MB               ---.--
19.                         ---.--   allan-bh               ---.--
20.                         ---.--   Sangetsu-II            ---.--
21.                         ---.--   jayu26                 ---.--
22.                         ---.--   Trust me, I'm a PhD    ---.--
23.                         ---.--   blakep267              ---.--
24.                         ---.--   pitseleh               ---.--
25.                         ---.--   kyser73                ---.--
26.                         ---.--   archnemesis            ---.--
27.                         ---.--   Shizza                 ---.--
28.                         ---.--   Bitch Pudding          ---.--
29.                         ---.--   donny2112              ---.--
30.                         ---.--   vivekTO                ---.--
31.                         ---.--   Welfare                ---.--
32.                         ---.--   jjonez18               ---.--
33.                         ---.--   noshten                ---.--
34.                         ---.--   Darth Smurf X          ---.--
35.                         ---.--   Cow Goes Moo           ---.--
36.                         ---.--   Hammer24               ---.--
37.                         ---.--   Thorrgal               ---.--
38.                         ---.--   1993dan1               ---.--
39.                         ---.--   Stanng243              ---.--
40.                         ---.--   Kill3r7                ---.--
41.                         ---.--   GifGafIsTheBestGaf     ---.--
42.                         ---.--   Pachter                ---.--
43.                         ---.--   Conduit                ---.--
44.                         ---.--   onemanasylum           ---.--
45.                         ---.--   harrisk954             ---.--
46.                         ---.--   Hydrargyrus            ---.--
47.                         ---.--   Shock32                ---.--
48.                         ---.--   jroc74                 ---.--
49.                         ---.--   HalfBaked              ---.--
50.                         ---.--   Tratorn                ---.--

Congratulations, Conduit!

 

[donny2112]

Since not all the results are public, this is a "Just for Fun" ranking. The way it works is that the #1 predictor for the month using the actual results is assumed to be 100% correct, and everyone else is measured accordingly. These results are not official and not used in the annual rankings. Since the real results can't be shown, these are a substitute to be used "Just for Fun." (^_^)

NeoGAF "Just for Fun" Prediction Results - February 2017
Note: Uses #1 predictor as "truth" and measures everyone else relative to them.

1. Conduit - 0
2. Primethius - 60,000
3. Fdkn - 70,000
3. Raylan - 70,000
5. Elandyll - 75,000
5. Ravage_Hydra - 75,000
5. RexNovis - 75,000
5. ethomaz - 75,000
5. mejin - 75,000
10. Darth Smurf X - 80,000
10. GifGafIsTheBestGaf - 80,000
10. Kayant - 80,000
10. noobie - 80,000
14. jayu26 - 84,000
15. KillerMan91 - 85,000
16. Bruno MB - 90,000
16. Samanosuke Akechi - 90,000
16. donny2112 - 90,000
16. freefornow - 90,000
20. Welfare - 94,000
21. Rymuth - 95,000
22. Opt1kon_ - 97,000
22. Trust me, I'm a PhD - 97,000
24. Bitch Pudding - 100,000
24. Shizza - 100,000
24. Thorrgal - 100,000
24. kyser73 - 100,000
24. theprodigy - 100,000
29. BlackBuzzard - 102,000
30. CorporateClown - 105,000
30. Kill3r7 - 105,000
30. archnemesis - 105,000
33. GAF_Agg - 106,900
34. Sangetsu-II - 110,000
34. Sterok - 110,000
34. sirronoh - 110,000
37. robo - 112,000
38. allan-bh - 113,000
39. Isurus - 115,000
39. pitseleh - 115,000
41. 1993dan1 - 125,000
42. Hammer24 - 130,000
42. blakep267 - 130,000
42. jjonez18 - 130,000
45. Stanng243 - 140,000
46. vivekTO - 155,000
47. perfectchaos007 - 160,000
48. Pachter - 170,000
48. noshten - 170,000
50. Cow Goes Moo - 175,000
51. FinaruDensetsu - 270,000
51. TheGorby - 270,000

 

[Primethius]

I was #2? That's like... a sign.

 

[donny2112]

[PS4] 410K
[XB1] 210K

Conduit's prediction, for reference.

 

[hanspampel]

[PS4] 410K
[XB1] 210K

[PS4] 400K
[XB1] 260K

[PS4] 380k
[XB1] 250k

2016 February NPD sales results:
[PS4]405k
[XB1]248k

#

 

[RexNovis]

Conduit's prediction, for reference.

If that's the #1 prediction then XB1 must've been way way down YoY. Wow. I thought for sure they'd be up given the low sales last year. And PS4 would be either even YoY or just barely down making sales nearly 2x XB1's... That's nuts.

 

[Sangetsu-II]

Since not all the results are public, this is a "Just for Fun" ranking. The way it works is that the #1 predictor for the month using the actual results is assumed to be 100% correct, and everyone else is measured accordingly. These results are not official and not used in the annual rankings. Since the real results can't be shown, these are a substitute to be used "Just for Fun." (^_^)

NPD Threads are officially dead

#

At least we still get a variable for numbers :/

That's something, I guess

 

[DriftingSpirit]

Saw this ship sinking when NPD made that change to the charts. A shame.

 

[Darth Smurf X]

I made the Top 10?!??!?!?!?!

 

[Fdkn]

Tied at 3 for the month, yay.
So this have become a game we don't actually know if we are winning while playing.
Yoko Taro could make something with that theme.

 

[Mpl90]

Tied at 3 for the month, yay.
So this have become a game we don't actually know if we are winning while playing.
Yoko Taro could make something with that theme.

 

[Liabe Brave]

If that's the #1 prediction then XB1 must've been way way down YoY. Wow. I thought for sure they'd be up given the low sales last year. And PS4 would be either even YoY or just barely down making sales nearly 2x XB1's... That's nuts.

Yes, these results prove Microsoft got demolished in February. Xbox One must have sold 235k or less, and PS4 was higher by 170k units at least. This is a really big difference for a single non-holiday month, and means PS4 is now further ahead than ever before (i.e. the ground Microsoft made up last fall is completely lost again, and then some).

I believe the gap in the U.S. is now over 2 million units in PS4's favor.

EDITED to correct slight error (and for clarity):

PS4: 395k or higher
XB1: 235k or less
Diff: 170k or more (e.g. if XB1 is 235 then PS4 must be 410+, if PS4 is 395 then XB1 must be 225-, etc.)

 

[jayu26]

Wait, Conduit predicted 200K difference! Damn.

 

[Ravage_Hydra]

My best month ever #5 tie with ethomaz and RexNovis and Elandyll

Spoiler

Not bad i'm getting better at predicting

 

[MatPiscatella]

Saw this ship sinking when NPD made that change to the charts. A shame.

Can you please explain what change you're referring to, and give me any ideas you have for how things can be improved short of publishing the numbers. I'm all ears. Anyone can always PM me too.

 

[Sangetsu-II]

Can you please explain what change you're referring to

I'll give it a shot.

1- Delayed NPD reports a week from when the data is released.

a) We only get a PR Statement from MS and its poor PR unless they win.

b) Makes NPD Game Rankings Threads less active because the Platform winners were known a week before.

2- Changed NPD Format to Revenue based before all things were properly set in stone.

3- Killed of Prediction threads because of no leakers (god knows why)

and give me any ideas you have for how things can be improved short 4 publishing the numbers. I'm all ears. Anyone can always PM me too.

Feedback- Even if NPD would not do this, We would appreciate that if when NPD releases their reports you could comment on your views of the report without mentioning numbers instead of waiting for people to ask you. Sorta like Abdiel does with retail performance.

I appreciate your concern for us, though.

 

[allan-bh]

Can you please explain what change you're referring to, and give me any ideas you have for how things can be improved short of publishing the numbers. I'm all ears. Anyone can always PM me too.

The previous format based on units and showing the platforms for each game in order of sales was much better.

The current chart is terrible.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

So PS4 outsold XB1 almost 2:1?

Damn. And this month we see what effect Horizon had...

 

[sirronoh]

I'll give it a shot.

1- Delayed NPD reports a week from when the data is released.

a) We only get a PR Statement from MS and its poor PR unless they win.

b) Makes NPD Game Rankings Threads less active because the Platform winners were known a week before.

2- Changed NPD Format to Revenue based before all things were properly set in stone.

3- Killed of Prediction threads because of no leakers (god knows why)



Feedback- Even if NPD would not do this, We would appreciate that if when NPD releases their reports you could comment on your views of the report without mentioning numbers instead of waiting for people to ask you. Sorta like Abdiel does with retail performance.

I appreciate your concern for us, though.

I'm not in agreement with a lot of this but I'll only comment on the parts related to Matt.

With Matt, he should feel free to participate whenever and however he likes. Yes Abdiel has a reputation now for providing Best Buy insights but he nor anyone else should be "expected" to provide specific insights based on their occupation in order to participate in NPD threads.

We would appreciate that if when NPD releases their reports you could comment on your views of the report without mentioning numbers instead of waiting for people to ask you

And just to be clear, the bolded part of the quote is what rubs me the wrong way. I'm OK with welcoming Matt and appreciating his comments but not suggesting how specifically he should participate just because someone else does it a certain way.


In any case, on the subject of NPD in general, the only question I have for Matt is why the public release of hardware information is separate from the public release of software information? Is there a reason why NPD couldn't wait to release hardware info to the public along the release of the software info?


I'll leave with one final comment on the changing of NPD threads. There are several people who frequent NPD threads (or are on Twitter like Zhuge) who provide very enjoyable commentary (Matt, donny, welfare, Cosmic, Rex, Abdiel, Liabe, Bruno, Drifting, to name a few). NPD threads may never be the same again but we can still have lots of great discussion from the people who really want to have great dialogue, even with limited information. If we get more, great -- be happy for what you get -- but if not, we can still be respectful and have a great time.

 

[MisterR]

So PS4 outsold XB1 almost 2:1?

Damn. And this month we see what effect Horizon had...

Turns out one console getting tons of console exclusives while the other gets next to nothing matters. Even if they are somewhat niche titles.

 

[kyser73]

The previous format based on units and showing the platforms for each game in order of sales was much better.

The current chart is terrible.

It's almost as if NPD are delivering information that's relevant to their paying customers and not prioritising forum discussions.

 

[hanspampel]

The previous format based on units and showing the platforms for each game in order of sales was much better.

The current chart is terrible.

nahh the current charts are great and better
we now get platform specific charts and even 12 months trailing + YTD charts

that's so much more information compared to just one top 10
It's just not as useful anymore for console wars.
the missing digital sales for the platformholder, some publisher and pc storefronts beside steam is bad obviously.

 

[allan-bh]

It's almost as if NPD are delivering information that's relevant to their paying customers and not prioritising forum discussions.

Mat asked for ideas HERE. Obviously the public report isn't directed for subscribers, the point is give pieces of information for people in general.

nahh the current charts are great and better
we now get platform specific charts and even 12 months trailing + YTD charts

that's so much more information compared to just one top 10
It's just not as useful anymore for console wars.
the missing digital sales for the platformholder, some publisher and pc storefronts beside steam is bad obviously.

Platform specific charts is good, but the format based on revenue instead of units isn't. I'm not feeling that I am necesarily better informed now than before.Certainly is more information, but these revenues rankings can be very misleading.

Incredibly we are in a situation where is more interesting and informative see UK software sales than USA SW, even historically GFK being much more restrictive and intolerant than NPD.

 

[RexNovis]

Yes, these results prove Microsoft got demolished in February. Xbox One must have sold 235k or less, and PS4 was higher by 170k units at least. This is a really big difference for a single non-holiday month, and means PS4 is now further ahead than ever before (i.e. the ground Microsoft made up last fall is completely lost again, and then some).

I believe the gap in the U.S. is now over 2 million units in PS4's favor.

EDITED to correct slight error and (for clarity):

PS4: 395k or higher
XB1: 235k or less
Diff: 170k or more (e.g. if XB1 is 235 then PS4 must be 410+, if PS4 is 395 then XB1 must be 225-, etc.)

Guess it's clear at this point that whatever sales momentum MS enjoyed from the release of XB1S has disappeared. The next few months are going to be rough.

 

[Sangetsu-II]

With Matt, he should feel free to participate whenever and however he likes. Yes Abdiel has a reputation now for providing Best Buy insights but he nor anyone else should be "expected" to provide specific insights based on their occupation in order to participate in NPD threads.



And just to be clear, the bolded part of the quote is what rubs me the wrong way. I'm OK with welcoming Matt and appreciating his comments but not suggesting how specifically he should participate just because someone else does it a certain way.


In any case, on the subject of NPD in general, the only question I have for Matt is why the public release of hardware information is separate from the public release of software information? Is there a reason why NPD couldn't wait to release hardware info to the public along the release of the software info?

Oh, I totally wasn't trying to force him to act a certain way to the community. I guess that came out a bit wrong. I was trying to imply if he could do a report sorta like the PAL Charts where we get performance of software and what got a boost because of retail promotions and the sorts. That would make things more interesting to get discussions rolling instead of just wondering whats going on in the gaming industry. Thats why I used Abdiel as an example. I don't want to force him to do that but if he can that would really help out. He did ask for feedback. I meant no offense or to rub the wrong way anyone.

 

[AdventureRacing]

Guess it's clear at this point that whatever sales momentum MS enjoyed from the release of XB1S has disappeared. The next few months are going to be rough.

Next month in particular. Horizon is a big exclusive release and MS really has nothing to counter. I could see sales being even worse then 2 to 1. No idea what impact switch will have but it certainly can't help that there is now another console competing for people's attention when they're already struggling.

WW numbers must be incredibly low for xbone.

 

[Kayant]

Oh Top 10 this month and 5th last month... Things looking good this year

 

[MatPiscatella]

Thank you everyone for taking the time to give me some feedback. I really appreciate it and will use it. Feel free to shoot me a PM anytime if you like as well.

I'll give it a shot.

I appreciate it!

1- Delayed NPD reports a week from when the data is released.

a) We only get a PR Statement from MS and its poor PR unless they win.

b) Makes NPD Game Rankings Threads less active because the Platform winners were known a week before.

2- Changed NPD Format to Revenue based before all things were properly set in stone.

3- Killed of Prediction threads because of no leakers (god knows why)

1 - Working on this now. Goal is to get physical and digital released on the same day, with a media release. Operationally, this is difficult. And a fix isn't a month away, it's more like a couple quarters away. But we're going to get there. Having the week delay between physical and the digital + media release stinks.

1a - Can't do anything about that. Companies can tweet or not tweet whatever they want. And they can release any numbers about their businesses that they like, obviously. But I can't control that.

1b - Bummer. We are working on getting the releases aligned. It's a priority.

2 - What do you mean by "properly set in stone"? We've chatted the reasons why it's a revenue chart before, and this isn't going to change, at least not in the near future. Ideally we'll get full publisher participation with the Digital Leader Panel and that'll make the chart better.

3 - I have no idea. I've never spoken to any mod (or anyone for that matter) about anything around this issue.

The previous format based on units and showing the platforms for each game in order of sales was much better.

The current chart is terrible.

I get where you're coming from, and I appreciate the breakdown you gave me on the reasons last time. I haven't forgotten, and if we revisit this chart and the release I'll be sure to bring your points up for discussion, promise.

the missing digital sales for the platformholder, some publisher and pc storefronts beside steam is bad obviously.

Yeah it stinks. Having only STEAM is at best incomplete, and at worst misleading. We're working very hard on making it easier for digital marketplaces on the PC side to participate. More to come.

I was trying to imply if he could do a report sorta like the PAL Charts where we get performance of software and what got a boost because of retail promotions and the sorts. That would make things more interesting to get discussions rolling instead of just wondering whats going on in the gaming industry. Thats why I used Abdiel as an example.

Well shoot, this is a great idea. And something I should be doing around the media release for clients. Let me work on this, and if I can get a decent write up formet going around March data I'll get it posted here. This is a really good suggestion. Thanks!

 

[donny2112]

3 - I have no idea. I've never spoken to any mod (or anyone for that matter) about anything around this issue.

Thank you for that, by the way. Obviously NPD has other people watching for leaks and trying to close any up, and your position of not being part of that is a precarious one. Thank you for trying to walk the line there. (^_^)

Good to hear that the software releases (digital+physical) may be moving back to be released at the same time as the all physical release. It'd be good to not have that prolonged NPD release period with a week between wondering if anything else would be come out in the press. At least the platform holders seem to still go with the earlier release for their PR. Just when they're focusing on software and the general analysis (NPD and others) does commentary come out the following week. Would be good to have all that come at once again, then.

 

[Sangetsu-II]

Well shoot, this is a great idea. And something I should be doing around the media release for clients. Let me work on this, and if I can get a decent write up formet going around March data I'll get it posted here. This is a really good suggestion. Thanks!

Yey, NPD threads might survive after all!

Thank you for reading our feedback. And it really is all up to you, I am not forcing you to do it but if you could do it, it would be greatly appreciated. Something like the Pal Charts format would really go a long way and It could really revitalized these threads.

 

[Welfare]

Can you please explain what change you're referring to, and give me any ideas you have for how things can be improved short of publishing the numbers. I'm all ears. Anyone can always PM me too.

Has there been any talk about expanding the charts past the top 10? In addition to possible commentary on how certain titles perform from month to month thanks to retailer deals/ASP changes, opening the charts a bit more could provide more discussion for the public.

 

[Sangetsu-II]

Has there been any talk about expanding the charts past the top 10? In addition to possible commentary on how certain titles perform from month to month thanks to retailer deals/ASP changes, opening the charts a bit more could provide more discussion for the public.

Be honest, they should just copy the entire PAL Charts format then xD

 

[watdaeff4]

Guess it's clear at this point that whatever sales momentum MS enjoyed from the release of XB1S has disappeared. The next few months are going to be rough.

Yep.

From my layman's perspective it appears to be a really bad month for MS hardware-wise and outside a price cut/heavy promos, I can't see a bright outlook for the next few months.

 

[Sangetsu-II]

Yep.

From my layman's perspective it appears to be a really bad month for MS hardware-wise and outside a price cut/heavy promos, I can't see a bright outlook for the next few months.

Indeed, I don't feel March or April are good months for XB1 considering PS4 and Switch Releases:

Switch March/April:

-Launch
-Zelda
-1/2 Switch
-Mario Kart 8

PS4 March/April:

-Horizon
-Nier
-Other Niche Exclusive Titles
-MLB 17
-KH Collection
-Persona 5

It's gonna be poor months of sales for XB1 these coming months, it'll only get worse when we get Scorpio release date and sales plummet.

 

[Cthulhu_Steev]

Well shoot, this is a great idea. And something I should be doing around the media release for clients. Let me work on this, and if I can get a decent write up formet going around March data I'll get it posted here. This is a really good suggestion. Thanks!

I'm a lurker in these sales threads usually, but I just want to say I really appreciate your input and insight here, and hope you stick around.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Guess it's clear at this point that whatever sales momentum MS enjoyed from the release of XB1S has disappeared. The next few months are going to be rough.

Makes you wonder how big the gap will be by November. Scorpio is gonna have a lot of ground to make up.

 

[Rymuth]

Makes you wonder how big the gap will be by November. Scorpio is gonna have a lot of ground to make up.

Over 2 million is a given, at this point.

 

[Trust me. I'm a PhD]

22 isn't too bad. I was too bullish on Xbox, but looks like I was not the only one... thanks again, Donny^^

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

Damn tied for last.

At least I was tied for the best at something. Even if that something is sucking.

 

[sirronoh]

Oh, I totally wasn't trying to force him to act a certain way to the community. I guess that came out a bit wrong. I was trying to imply if he could do a report sorta like the PAL Charts where we get performance of software and what got a boost because of retail promotions and the sorts. That would make things more interesting to get discussions rolling instead of just wondering whats going on in the gaming industry. Thats why I used Abdiel as an example. I don't want to force him to do that but if he can that would really help out. He did ask for feedback. I meant no offense or to rub the wrong way anyone.

Ah okay, thank you Sangetsu. I think the wording came off the wrong way but your explanation makes more sense and is a good suggestion. I didn't mean to put you on the spot and I apologize if it came across that way. Thank you for clarifying!

 

[Tratorn]

Wow, thought I posted my predictions for this month, but I just realized I didn't...
Well, NPD prediction league is getting boring for me anyways with all these NPD restrictions and no leaks anymore.

 

[Sangetsu-II]

Ah okay, thank you Sangetsu. I think the wording came off the wrong way but your explanation makes more sense and is a good suggestion. I didn't mean to put you on the spot and I apologize if it came across that way. Thank you for clarifying!

It's all good

 

[MatPiscatella]

Good to hear that the software releases (digital+physical) may be moving back to be released at the same time as the all physical release. It'd be good to not have that prolonged NPD release period with a week between wondering if anything else would be come out in the press. At least the platform holders seem to still go with the earlier release for their PR. Just when they're focusing on software and the general analysis (NPD and others) does commentary come out the following week. Would be good to have all that come at once again, then.

The physical release (hardware, software and accessories) comes out together, with digital software coming a week later (that time is needed for validation, mapping and other processing). The media release is tied to the digital software release. Hardware usually gets the PR the initial week, but companies could talk to software and accessories as well if they chose to.

There are some ideas being kicked around on how to align the releases best. For example, one idea with some potential is to have the release on the Monday between the current Thursday releases. In order to do this though we'd have to be confident we could get all the digital processed a few days faster than is currently possible.

In any case it's a high priority. But anyone that works with big data sets where there's no universal product coding (which there isn't in digital software) would understand the scale of the task.

Something like the Pal Charts format would really go a long way and It could really revitalized these threads.

The individual format charts would be preferred to the title roll-up charts? I always found those to be very difficult to use in determining what game actually came out on top. Or are you saying you'd want an individual format chart in addition to the title roll-up charts?

Has there been any talk about expanding the charts past the top 10? In addition to possible commentary on how certain titles perform from month to month thanks to retailer deals/ASP changes, opening the charts a bit more could provide more discussion for the public.

There hasn't been talk of expanding past the top 10, but I don't see why we couldn't/shouldn't. Let me look into that. Thanks.

I can't see a bright outlook for the next few months.

Call me crazy, but I still have a forecast where Xbox One HW sales actually increase this year from last. Depends entirely on Scorpio (product, price and promotion), and on a big bunch of software being announced in support around E3. I don't know anything about Scorpio you all don't, so I'm prepared to be wrong (expecting really, because all video game forecasts tend to be wrong as the VG world changes so fast.) It has been a tough beginning to the year, but there's still a lot of runway left.

 

[donny2112]

There hasn't been talk of expanding past the top 10, but I don't see why we couldn't/shouldn't. Let me look into that. Thanks.

Most months, it's not a big deal, as Top 10 per format probably gets pretty low by the end. However for November/December, a Top 20 overall and per console (or much more than 20) would be really nice to see!

 

[Sangetsu-II]

The individual format charts would be preferred to the title roll-up charts? I always found those to be very difficult to use in determining what game actually came out on top. Or are you saying you'd want an individual format chart in addition to the title roll-up charts.

The latter, having more info based on individual platforms in addition to the original roll-up charts.

Plus some commentary on what top titles performed compared to older entries and what old titles got boosts because of retail promotions.

Basically how PAL Charts are structured gives just enough info to engage in discussion without giving actual data. That's what I like about PAL Charts format over Media Create and NPD.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

Can you please explain what change you're referring to, and give me any ideas you have for how things can be improved short of publishing the numbers. I'm all ears. Anyone can always PM me too.

Yeah, the others pretty much covered it. I just liked it better when all the info came out on the same day and the rankings were based on units sold.

Guess it's clear at this point that whatever sales momentum MS enjoyed from the release of XB1S has disappeared. The next few months are going to be rough.

Yep, that is what I figured last year. It was just momentum from launch with the alignment of big games (Gears, BF, Forza) helping carry it along with MS' typically strong holidays. With the holiday season over, MS is back to not doing all that well during the beginning of the year. It wasn't that X1S was a more desirable product. They just got a brief wind under their sails as we have seen throughout the generation.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

Doubled, sorry.

 

[MatPiscatella]

Most months, it's not a big deal, as Top 10 per format probably gets pretty low by the end. However for November/December, a Top 20 overall and per console (or much more than 20) would be really nice to see!

I can't think of a reason we couldn't go to a top 20 every month. This should be an easy change. But sometimes I think this and learn otherwise. More to come.

The latter, having more info based on individual platforms in addition to the original roll-up charts.

Interesting. Okay, let me see what others think around the business.

Plus some commentary on what top titles performed compared to older entries and what old titles got boosts because of retail promotions.

This one's a bit problematic. When we have something like Final Fantasy XV come out and break a record that's been around since 1995, well, that's an easy one.

For other titles, it gets a little trickier. Take a title like Wildlands. Would it be the right comparison to talk about GRAW? With so much of the consumer spend tied into DLC/MTX, and the way Ubi games now grow userbase over time, compared to a GRAW that was so heavily front-loaded and did not have the GaaS backing?

I'll try to do more of this in the media release, and in the summary write up we've been discussing, but if you have a paragraph with 2 sentences of data points and 5 sentences of caveats to follow, makes for some boring reading.

It's a tough balance, but let me give it thought and see if there's a way of doing this that best reflects the realities of the current market, rather than directly compare to an outdated market.

Basically how PAL Charts are structured gives just enough info to engage in discussion without giving actual data. That's what I like about PAL Charts format over Media Create and NPD.

Well that's an interesting take. I hadn't considered adopting the PAL chart format as I didn't think it as concise and helpful as our current format. Let me kick this idea around a bit.

 

[Sangetsu-II]

I can't think of a reason we couldn't go to a top 20 every month. This should be an easy change. But sometimes I think this and learn otherwise. More to come.



Interesting. Okay, let me see what others think around the business.



This one's a bit problematic. When we have something like Final Fantasy XV come out and break a record that's been around since 1995, well, that's an easy one.

For other titles, it gets a little trickier. Take a title like Wildlands. Would it be the right comparison to talk about GRAW? With so much of the consumer spend tied into DLC/MTX, and the way Ubi games now grow userbase over time, compared to a GRAW that was so heavily front-loaded and did not have the GaaS backing?

I'll try to do more of this in the media release, and in the summary write up we've been discussing, but if you have a paragraph with 2 sentences of data points and 5 sentences of caveats to follow, makes for some boring reading.

It's a tough balance, but let me give it thought and see if there's a way of doing this that best reflects the realities of the current market, rather than directly compare to an outdated market.



Well that's an interesting take. I hadn't considered adopting the PAL chart format as I didn't think it as concise and helpful as our current format. Let me kick this idea around a bit.

Thanks for listening to all our feedback. We will be happy with anything that comes from it

 

[Darth Smurf X]

Here's what I miss from the NPD reports:

1. Destiny 2 (PS4, XBO, NS, PC)
2. Red Dead Redemption 2 (PS4, XBO, PC)
3. Halo 6 (XBO)
4. Detroit: Become Human (PS4)
5. ... (the order in which they sold best for each platform)

Also, is it impossible to get unit numbers sold for new releases? I'd love to see the release numbers for The Last Guardian or Halo Wars 2 and not just revenue rank.