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[pulga]

Except Buzz games aren't shovelware.

AAA title? You're missing the point, shovelware is not new, nor exclusive to Wii. Replace ¨Buzz¨ with X shovelware and you're set.

It's just pretty sad why we see shovelware instead of good 3rd party games for Wii.

Good 3rd party:shovelware ratio is like 3:7 for Wii. Maybe even worse.

Yeah, lowest development costs, lower end graphics, and having the broadest market in the world made Wii an easy target to fling shit at. I just find it easier to ignore them and focus on good stuff such as NMH and Z&W, instead of constantly pointing out the same tired shit that's been around for ages.

 

[Marlowe]

1. I know this is a boxart thread, but which of these games should I actually plan on buying (other than Phoenix Wright, which I love)?

2. I think that symbol on the upper right of the Mario Kart boxart symbolizes a disc going into a Wii.

 

[woobit]

Fixed.

Should atleast be Whiil

 

[Chris_C]

Should atleast be Whiil

Dammit!

Also, the PS2 is in it's SEVENTH YEAR. Those Wii games look really embarrassing. Like NES era Chuck Norris ripoff action games.

 

[pulga]

Dammit!

Also, the PS2 is in it's SEVENTH YEAR. Those Wii games look really embarrassing. Like NES era Chuck Norris ripoff action games.

So? These type of games only take 3 months tops to churn out. It has nothing to do with age, it has everything to do with the factors I mentioned earlier.

 

[Haunted]

Anyone saying the Wii is the first console with lots of shovelware is a fucking lunatic. It doesn't even matter anyway, since the number of good games is not getting smaller regardless if 10, 100, or 1000 shovelware games are released for the system. Same for the PS2/DS.

What is this and when is it coming out?

And also Winter Games for C64 was sweet.

Damn, that takes me back - I played the shit out of that game. So good. <3 <3

 

[Chris_C]

So? These type of games only take 3 months tops to churn out. It has nothing to do with age, it has everything to do with the factors I mentioned earlier.

I think the point people are trying to make is that it's a little early in the game for the amount of shovelware on the Wii.

 

[pulga]

I think the point people are trying to make is that it's a little early in the game for the amount of shovelware on the Wii.

Who gets to decide when it's too early in the game? Not you, not me, not GAF. The market, unfortunately, does. We just have to learn to deal with it and stop making ¨Hurr hurr shovelware on Wii CAR VAULT¨ threads everytime shit like this comes up.

 

[Chris_C]

Who gets to decide when it's too early in the game? Not you, not me, not GAF. The market, unfortunately, does. We just have to learn to deal with it and stop making ¨Hurr hurr shovelware on Wii CAR VAULT¨ threads everytime shit like this comes up.

We just have to learn to deal with it

learn to deal with it

deal with it

...

 

[pulga]

...

Nothing good to reply? Shame.

 

[Chris_C]

Nothing good to reply? Shame.

I just want you to listen to the what you're saying.

 

[Streaks]

Also on PS3 and PC

 

[pulga]

I just want you to listen to the what you're saying.

That's nice, it's always comforting to know that there's someone out there willing to listen.

 

[Kid Marin]

rondoofswords.jpg


What is this and when is it coming out?

A Success SRPG. It is scheduled to release on April 15th.
http://www.atlus.com/rondoofswords

 

[Haunted]

A Success SRPG. It is scheduled to release on April 15th.
http://www.atlus.com/rondoofswords

Thanks! Looks very nice. Strange that I've never heard of it until now.

 

[Red Blaster]

Really now? Shovelware has been around since the dawn of consoles, PS2 in its infancy was no exception.

No it wasn't. There were plenty of shite games in the PS2's infancy, but nothing that was clearly shovelware like Target Terror there. Platform was still too pricey to develop for.

 

[Amir0x]

No it wasn't. There were plenty of shite games in the PS2's infancy, but nothing that was clearly shovelware like Target Terror there. Platform was still too pricey to develop for.

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[Fuzzy]

Yeah, I don't know why people automatically decide it'll be shovelware. They must have something against flying RC choppers around the house.

I bet most think it'll just be that flash game where you avoid blocks for a high score. :lol

 

[tahrikmili]

The only release that matters. KANE!

 

[Red Blaster]

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Funny you mention that, X-Squad probably has better graphics than most Wii games.

 

[Cdammen]

Not a looker among them *barf*

 

[BasicUAE]

Funny you mention that, X-Squad probably has better graphics than most Wii games.

<3 OMG OMG are you for real <3

Sheesh....

 

[ivysaur12]

Funny you mention that, X-Squad probably has better graphics than most Wii games.

 

[Threi]

Funny you mention that, X-Squad probably has better graphics than most Wii games.

Quickest argument switch in history.

 

[Red Blaster]

lulz

X-Squad's pretty shit of course. But it at the very least has a semblance of production values put into it, Paul Newman even voiced one of the characters. I don't see how it's comparable to the likes of say Ninjabread Man, Jenga, Target Terror and such others that have permeated the Wii library to this point.

 

[ascii42]

lulz

X-Squad's pretty shit of course. But it at the very least has a semblance of production values put into it, Paul Newman even voiced one of the characters. I don't see how it's comparable to the likes of say Ninjabread Man, Jenga, Target Terror and such others that have permeated the Wii library to this point.

True, just because a game sucks, doesn't mean it's shovelware.

 

[neojubei]

Love the PS3 boxes

 

[j-wood]

Why is there an absence of a devil hunter in those box arts?

 

[Amir0x]

lulz

X-Squad's pretty shit of course. But it at the very least has a semblance of production values put into it, Paul Newman even voiced one of the characters. I don't see how it's comparable to the likes of say Ninjabread Man, Jenga, Target Terror and such others that have permeated the Wii library to this point.

I can't believe I'm going to defend Wii on its third party support, but you're being pretty disingenuous with your argument. If "production values" make something "not shovelware", then fine... but I don't believe you've played X-Squad, because if you did you'd know the production values were like 50 cents.

You use things like Ninjabread Man on the Wii side... there's a PS2 version too. So what does that say?

I'd say things like Gravity Games Bike, Army Men: Green Rogue and Arctic Thunder are all as bad as what you listed on the Wii side, and they all came out in similarly early periods of PS2 life.

No, the argument should be made not about shovelware (which follows any lead platform like maggots on a rotting corpse), but in the amount of quality third party support. In this regard, Wii is a laughable disaster compared to what PS2 managed to put together (particularly toward the end of ITS first year, vs. the end of Wii's first year). Nintendo has definitely done its best to fill the gaps in (Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime III, Fire Emblem) but third parties have not been behind it quite yet.

Sorry, but the shovelware argument is dumb.

 

[Littleberu]

Except Buzz games aren't shovelware.

They kind of are.

 

[2DMention]

Dodgeball looks good, but I'm guessing the JP version is out this month.

I might pick up Target Terror if it plays well.

 

[DeadGzuz]

Man the Wii is the dumping ground of crap games.

 

[Mesijs]

I'm really sad when seeing those covers in the OP. Some of them are just guaranteed pieces of shit.

 

[Toy Soldier]

I'm excited about Target: Terror.

I never got to play the arcade version, but I love light gun shooters, I love the art style in this one (the full-motion actors in a polygonal environment), and the theme seems perfect for a good cheesy arcade gun game, so it's on my to-buy list unless the reticule control is whacked out or something.

 

[sphinx]

this is getting really annoying,

even a freaking boxart thread eventually turns into " when will the Wii 3rd party situation improve? "?.

seriously keep that old and tired shit out if this thread, please. There is a new thread every week devoted to re-discuss wii and the 3rd parties.

 

[-viper-]

Love the PS3 boxes

Iron Man cover looks great.

Lost looks crap.

 

[Red Blaster]

I can't believe I'm going to defend Wii on its third party support, but you're being pretty disingenuous with your argument. If "production values" make something "not shovelware", then fine... but I don't believe you've played X-Squad, because if you did you'd know the production values were like 50 cents.

Rented it around PS2 launch time, don't remember anything about it other than the Paul Newman bit. Maybe you can show us a photo of the game in your toilet bowl.

You use things like Ninjabread Man on the Wii side... there's a PS2 version too. So what does that say?

That the PS2 is in it's twilight years and that it's expected to get titles like that now that most developers have moved on.

I'd say things like Gravity Games Bike, Army Men: Green Rogue and Arctic Thunder are all as bad as what you listed on the Wii side, and they all came out in similarly early periods of PS2 life.

Hey whaddya know, all those games are trash. Perhaps I was a bit hasty in proclaiming that the PS2 had absolutely no shovelware in its beginning years.

No, the argument should be made not about shovelware (which follows any lead platform like maggots on a rotting corpse), but in the amount of quality third party support. In this regard, Wii is a laughable disaster compared to what PS2 managed to put together (particularly toward the end of ITS first year, vs. the end of Wii's first year). Nintendo has definitely done its best to fill the gaps in (Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime III, Fire Emblem) but third parties have not been behind it quite yet.

Sure, that's true. However certain Wii enthusiasts like to shrug off the absurd amount of junk games piling up on the console as business-as-usual and that the PS2 started off exactly the same. PS2 had some real stinkers its first year but not near the amount the Wii has had.

 

[Syckx]

Regardless of whether the Wii is home to shovelware is somewhat irrelevent. People buy these games and actually enjoy them. GameStop had tremendous difficulty stocking Game Party and Carnival Games during the holidays due to demand. Just because the hardcore gamers thinks they are shit does not mean that casual gamers (AKA, where the real money is coming from) follows suit.

 

[Toy Soldier]

Sure, that's true. However certain Wii enthusiasts like to shrug off the absurd amount of junk games piling up on the console as business-as-usual and that the PS2 started off exactly the same. PS2 had some real stinkers its first year but not near the amount the Wii has had.

Perhaps, perhaps, but for what it's worth, along with the increased amount of shovelware, we have had a stronger line-up of quality titles in the same timeframe, IMHO. Easily. No question. And that's the important thing, is there enough legitimate quality...and with Wii, there is.

 

[Gagaman]

The difference with the Wii compared to the PS2 shovelware wise is the Wii exploded in popularity in it's first year far beyond anyone's expectations, so the shovelware was bound to flood in, especially when considering how cheap it is to develop for, and how most companies weren't prepared to make Wii games what with development tools not exactly being final until the last minute (hence why at least half of these titles are ports of PS2 shovelware).

With the PS2, most shovelware companies were happy to continue developing for the PS1 which was the easiest and cheapest system to produce on. The shovelware for the PS2 really started to flood in around 2003, I believe, when they finally gave up on the PS1. The PS2's mainstream popularity wasn't so sudden like the Wii's, I guess. *shrugs*

Until the likes of GTAIII and MGS2 came along, the PS2 game line up looks pretty grim and outdated compared to what the Dreamcast had in 2000/early 2001, with lazy games like Tekken tag and Ridge Racer thrown out the door. What great games were there otherwise? Zone of the Enders and erm...

 

[Infernal Monkey]

All the shovelware complaints amuse me, since I'm from a PAL region, where wheelbarrow loads of lousy budget Japanese games go to die (although gems do appear every now and then~) and the likes of Phoenix Games, Midas and Oxygen pump out four hundred thousand PS2 games per hour. The Wii situation in America is tame. =')

 

[DMczaf]

:lol

 

[Hero of Legend]

WTF is up with that Giraffe?!

Re-rated to AO confirmed!

 

[NeoUltima]

:lol

I'm tired of all these LE/SE versions, especially the Gamestop exclusive ones. They toss in crappy(usually) extra content and worst of all, they usually have worse boxarts than the standard versions, as can be seen above...

 

[Desi]

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Now I want to pick that up. I shouldn't have told anyone about it!

 

[DuckRacer]

:lol

Oh my god. :lol

If you're going to do a special edition (which you shouldn't to begin with), at least make the boxart look far better than the regular edition.

That looks worse than most random fan-made covers.

 

[NeoUltima]

No shit, the video game? I thought the PS3 label meant it was the Lost soundtrack.
Hopefully the boxart isn't indicative of the actual game.

 

[Jive Turkey]

No shit, the video game? I thought the PS3 label meant it was the Lost soundtrack.
Hopefully the boxart isn't indicative of the actual game.

Considering the audience that was probably a smart move.

 

[Teknoman]

Whoa whoa whoa WHOA. Ring of Fates releases this month? Damn it...

Also this topic needs more DMC 4, Lost Odyssey and DQS art.

 

[grandjedi6]

Whoa whoa whoa WHOA. Ring of Fates releases this month? Damn it...

Also this topic needs more DMC 4, Lost Odyssey and DQS art.

Sigh. We were doing so well too :/