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[infinitys_7th]

https://www.vox.com/2018/5/4/17319554/manafort-hearing-robert-mueller-judge-ellis

A federal judge expressed skepticism about special counsel Robert Mueller’s wide-reaching probe Friday morning during a hearing related to charges Paul Manafort is facing in Virginia.

Judge T.S. Ellis III suggested that he suspected Mueller’s team only charged Manafort with 18 counts of bank fraud and other charges in Virginia as a way to “get” to President Donald Trump — and suggested Mueller shouldn’t have “unfettered power” to do that, NBC’s Ken Dilanian reports.

“I don’t see what relation this indictment has with what the special counsel is authorized to investigate,” Ellis said, according to Politico’s Josh Gerstein. “What you really care about is what information Mr. Manafort could give you that would reflect on Mr. Trump or lead to his prosecution or impeachment.”

If Ellis does in fact end up dismissing Manafort’s Virginia indictment (and, for what it’s worth, many smart court reporters are skeptical that he ultimately will), it wouldn’t get Manafort completely out of the woods, as he’d still face charges in Washington. But it would be a dramatic defeat for Mueller, with major implications for his strategy as a whole — which, it seems, has relied heavily on bringing or threatening unrelated charges against Trump associates to try to get them to “flip.”

It will be interesting to see how this turns out. If his indictment, which by the judge's statement has nothing to do with the 2016 election, if dismissed, Mueller's handful of decade-old infractions that still have nothing to do with the intended scope of his investigation will all be on the line.

 

[TrainedRage]

B-b-but we are still going to impeach Trump right?!?!

RIGHT?!?!?!

**screams at clouds**

 

[bucyou]

“Our investigative scope does cover the activity” in the indictment,” Dreeben told the judge.

“Cover bank fraud in 2005 and 2007? Tell me how!” Ellis retorted.


lol

 

[JDB]

:shrug:

 

[mr2xxx]

:shrug:

I know lol

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Pence as Pres... that is truly scary

 

[TheShadowLord]

Pence as Pres... that is truly scary

how is it any scarier than trump as president?

 

[TTOOLL]

how is it any scarier than trump as president?

Why is Trump or his presidency scary? Is America worse than it was a year ago? How so? A president doesn't change how a society thinks, a president and other politicians are just a reflex of such society.

Edit: I'm talking about facts, what has actually changed, not feelings.

 

[pramod]

So now the judge is asking to see Rosenstein's unredacted memo.

Is this the endgame?

 

[Musky_Cheese]

how is it any scarier than trump as president?

Apparently he is bat shit crazy. Like old school Jesus crazy.

He won’t rage tweet tho

 

[pramod]

Why is Trump or his presidency scary? Is America worse than it was a year ago? How so? A president doesn't change how a society thinks, a president and other politicians are just a reflex of such society.

Haven't you heard? We're all going to die from climate change because of Trump. And the roaring stock market doesn't count because only those evil rich people own stocks.

 

[generaldane]

Isn't this just standard procedure to ensure the chance of appeal is at a minimum

 

[mercenar1e]

So now the judge is asking to see Rosenstein's unredacted memo.

Is this the endgame?

All the Republican leaning stooges want to see the memo as leaking it would undermine the entire investigation.

 

[infinitys_7th]

All the Republican leaning stooges want to see the memo as leaking it would undermine the entire investigation.

Just like how all of Mueller's leaks undermined the investigation, right?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, as it were. Can't whine about something you don't want leaked when you leak like a sieve.

 

[Whataborman]

The Mueller investigation should have been shut down the minute it became known that the Steele dossier was funded by the DNC.

There's no evidence of collusion so Mueller's tactic is to try to flip vulnerable campaign aides in hopes that they give him information on Trump. So far that hasn't happened and it likely won't happen. I'd actually be surprised if anyone Muller has indicted is actually convicted.

At the end of the day the entire investigation will be nothing but a waste of taxpayer money.

 

[infinitys_7th]

The Mueller investigation should have been shut down the minute it became known that the Steele dossier was funded by the DNC.

There's no evidence of collusion so Mueller's tactic is to try to flip vulnerable campaign aides in hopes that they give him information on Trump. So far that hasn't happened and it likely won't happen. I'd actually be surprised if anyone Muller has indicted is actually convicted.

At the end of the day the entire investigation will be nothing but a waste of taxpayer money.

That's not true. At the end of the day we'll know that the Podesta brothers' business was heavily involved with Putin.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Oh people, just let the investigation do the talking. It'll be over some day.

 

[infinitys_7th]

Oh people, just let the investigation do the talking. It'll be over some day.

"It'll be over as soon as we use it as a cudgel to break Trump's first term and get a Democrat in office in 2020."

 

[dolabla]

CNN with the headline:

 

[Whataborman]

CNN with the headline:

Nope. No bias in that reporting. None at all

 

[TheLaughingStock]

So now the judge is asking to see Rosenstein's unredacted memo.

Is this the endgame?

Unfortunately, for Manafort, the US gov't makes the law, enforces the law, and settles any legal disputes that may arise. The gov't has already decided he's guilty based off the evidence that's been collected and is eliminating avenues for appeal. In other words, barring a hail Mary from his legal team Paul is going away for a long time. Either state or federal charges will nail him.

 

[bucyou]

CNN with the headline:

expressing skepticism is now politicizing, thanks cnn

 

[Vicetrailia]

"It'll be over as soon as we use it as a cudgel to break Trump's first term and get a Democrat in office in 2020."

Hopefully it'll be well over before then. Democrats want this shit to end now.

 

[mercenar1e]

Just like how all of Mueller's leaks undermined the investigation, right?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, as it were. Can't whine about something you don't want leaked when you leak like a sieve.

Like the questions that were “leaked” which were actually written by Donald Trumps attorney to prep the president for Muellers eventual questioning. Donald pinned it on Muellers team even though he knew it didn’t come from them.

 

[TheShadowLord]

Why is Trump or his presidency scary? Is America worse than it was a year ago? How so? A president doesn't change how a society thinks, a president and other politicians are just a reflex of such society.

Edit: I'm talking about facts, what has actually changed, not feelings.

I don't know that's why I was asking musky_cheese why he finds Pence as president to be scary.

 

[infinitys_7th]

Hopefully it'll be well over before then. Democrats want this shit to end now.

Really? I figured the intention was to drag it across at least two federal elections.

Like the questions that were “leaked” which were actually written by Donald Trumps attorney to prep the president for Muellers eventual questioning. Donald pinned it on Muellers team even though he knew it didn’t come from them.

The "Mueller Mondays" you all pine for throughout the week always come with a flood of leaks from Mueller's unprofessional team.

 

[mercenar1e]

Really? I figured the intention was to drag it across at least two federal elections.



The "Mueller Mondays" you all pine for throughout the week always come with a flood of leaks from Mueller's unprofessional team.

it comes around the same time Donald Dump rages on twitter like a little bitch.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

What in the hell am I reading in here? People calling Robert Mueller and his team unprofessional when many of these people, including Mueller, have a body of work over decades across both Democrat and Republican administrations carrying out justice in a way that's both fair, about the facts, and where the highest levels of integrity are practiced on a consistent basis.

And people are doing this bullshit in defense of Donald Trump? A known fucking con man who has been as dirty as it gets (to the shock of nobody), a person who has been engaged in illegal money laundering for years, and also who just happens to be one of the most disgusting, shameless and all around dishonest people ever introduced with such regularity to our daily politics, nevermind actually holding the office of the presidency. Sorry, but Donald Trump doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as these incredible individuals. Because his corrupt ass is being investigated for what even your average hobbyist who follows this stuff can see is obviously suspicious behavior or coordination with a foreign government in the interference of our election - by his very own justice department with his own appointees may I add - people want to play like they have something honorable at stake that needs defending. They should investigate his ass, and they should investigate and then prosecute to the full extent of the law if anything definitive is found.

The inconsistencies so far coming from these people are insane. It takes a special kind of ignorant to continue to defend him or his administration with a straight face. Use your god damn heads.

 

[bucyou]

it comes around the same time Donald Dump rages on twitter like a little bitch.

how witty, did you come up with that yourself?

What in the hell am I reading in here? People calling Robert Mueller and his team unprofessional when many of these people, including Mueller, have a body of work over decades across both Democrat and Republican administrations carrying out justice in a way that's both fair, about the facts, and where the highest levels of integrity are practiced on a consistent basis.

the handling of the 2001 anthrax case by both mueller AND comey says hi

 

[infinitys_7th]

What in the hell am I reading in here? People calling Robert Mueller and his team unprofessional when many of these people, including Mueller, have a body of work over decades across both Democrat and Republican administrations carrying out justice in a way that's both fair, about the facts, and where the highest levels of integrity are practiced on a consistent basis.

Professional people wouldn't continuously leak any embarrassing info they get on a weekly basis.

And, in the end, they are just bureaucrats. Not really much of anything.

 

[Panda1]

What in the hell am I reading in here? People calling Robert Mueller and his team unprofessional when many of these people, including Mueller, have a body of work over decades across both Democrat and Republican administrations carrying out justice in a way that's both fair, about the facts, and where the highest levels of integrity are practiced on a consistent basis.

And people are doing this bullshit in defense of Donald Trump? A known fucking con man who has been as dirty as it gets (to the shock of nobody), a person who has been engaged in illegal money laundering for years, and also who just happens to be one of the most disgusting, shameless and all around dishonest people ever introduced with such regularity to our daily politics, nevermind actually holding the office of the presidency. Sorry, but Donald Trump doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as these incredible individuals. Because his corrupt ass is being investigated for what even your average hobbyist who follows this stuff can see is obviously suspicious behavior or coordination with a foreign government in the interference of our election - by his very own justice department with his own appointees may I add - people want to play like they have something honorable at stake that needs defending. They should investigate his ass, and they should investigate and then prosecute to the full extent of the law if anything definitive is found.

The inconsistencies so far coming from these people are insane. It takes a special kind of ignorant to continue to defend him or his administration with a straight face. Use your god damn heads.

Lots of feels here but not one fact? Was he money laundering with Oprah link please I really want to see some of these known facts

 

[KINGMOKU]

What in the hell am I reading in here? People calling Robert Mueller and his team unprofessional when many of these people, including Mueller, have a body of work over decades across both Democrat and Republican administrations carrying out justice in a way that's both fair, about the facts, and where the highest levels of integrity are practiced on a consistent basis.

And people are doing this bullshit in defense of Donald Trump? A known fucking con man who has been as dirty as it gets (to the shock of nobody), a person who has been engaged in illegal money laundering for years, and also who just happens to be one of the most disgusting, shameless and all around dishonest people ever introduced with such regularity to our daily politics, nevermind actually holding the office of the presidency. Sorry, but Donald Trump doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as these incredible individuals. Because his corrupt ass is being investigated for what even your average hobbyist who follows this stuff can see is obviously suspicious behavior or coordination with a foreign government in the interference of our election - by his very own justice department with his own appointees may I add - people want to play like they have something honorable at stake that needs defending. They should investigate his ass, and they should investigate and then prosecute to the full extent of the law if anything definitive is found.

The inconsistencies so far coming from these people are insane. It takes a special kind of ignorant to continue to defend him or his administration with a straight face. Use your god damn heads.

So your going to swoop in and essentially call everyone an idiot, only you know the truth and everyone investigating Trump is a saint, and everyone questioning the investigation is an ignorant moron.

Great way to further conversatiin, unless of course your not interested in that and just want to grandstand.

 

[Panda1]

So your going to swoop in and essentially call everyone an idiot, only you know the truth and everyone investigating Trump is a saint, and everyone questioning the investigation is an ignorant moron.

Great way to further conversatiin, unless of course your not interested in that and just want to grandstand.

There can be no reasonable discussion due to TDS. Dems leftists are going to take the most uncharitable view of anything trump does and in politics hypocrisy is ignored

 

[JDB]

Mueller got people sweatin'

 

[King of Foxes]

Can someone explain to me what it is about Trump having sex with Stormy Daniels that is supposed to be so bad?

 

[Cato]

Haven't you heard? We're all going to die from climate change because of Trump. And the roaring stock market doesn't count because only those evil rich people own stocks.

<s>
Don't forget the planned forced labor gulag death camps in Alaska for homosexuals. As soon as these impeachment things die down we will be right back at building them.
</s>

 

[JDB]

Can someone explain to me what it is about Trump having sex with Stormy Daniels that is supposed to be so bad?

I believe the question is whether it was paid with campaign money? I mean there's of course the morality part of it as well, but this is Trump so LOL. Honestly in the grand scheme of things it doesn't seem that big of a deal these days, but it seems to make Trump and his lawyers quite uncomfortable for some reason.

 

[mercenar1e]

Can someone explain to me what it is about Trump having sex with Stormy Daniels that is supposed to be so bad?

I don't know maybe ask his wife whats supposed to be so bad about him sleeping with a porn star lol

 

[Spheyr]

Mueller got us into Iraq over totally real WMDs

 

[JDB]

Mueller got us into Iraq over totally real WMDs

Sweating!

 

[Panda1]

I don't know maybe ask his wife whats supposed to be so bad about him sleeping with a porn star lol

And this affects doing a job how? It has nothing to do with the Presidency just a smear campaign #NeverTrump right!

 

[mercenar1e]

And this affects doing a job how? It has nothing to do with the Presidency just a smear campaign #NeverTrump right!

he payed a porn star with campaign funds (will get verified or debunked with an investigation) one month before the election. its against a shit ton of rules but yeah you can bring up old hashtags.

 

[Tumle]

This thread and others has made me realise that I’m just going to try and ignore threads about American politics..
The amount of fangirling both sides do, is rather obnoxious.. good luck with your discussions guys.. I’ll just watch the train wreck from my side of the pond.. and hope we don’t get hit by The flying debris, when your two party system collapses on it self..
because you hold your president higher than god, where he can’t do anything wrong, or if you are on the other side, worse than the devil where every thing coming from him, is the biggest mistake ever and will lead to the end of the world..
tribalism is doing great, keep it up!

 

[Dusk Soldier]

he payed a porn star with campaign funds (will get verified or debunked with an investigation) one month before the election. its against a shit ton of rules but yeah you can bring up old hashtags.

He didn't pay her with Campaign funds.

His opposition wants her payment to be classified officially as a campaign contribution, as that would but him over the limit he's allowed to spend on campaign finances.

 

[rokkerkory]

He didn't pay her with Campaign funds.

His opposition wants her payment to be classified officially as a campaign contribution, as that would but him over the limit he's allowed to spend on campaign finances.

We dont know it wasnt campaign funds yet.

Also, doesnt need to be with campaign funds to be illegal. It could be in-kind donation to sway public opinion without reporting it which is a no-no.

 

[bucyou]

Mueller got people sweatin'

says increasingly nervous man for 40th time.

I also like how your reaction to people pointing out facts is emotion

 

[JDB]

says increasingly nervous man for 40th time.

I also like how your reaction to people pointing out facts is emotion

I dunno, people are getting pretty nervous about this Mueller thing even tho Trump has totally done nothing wrong. Bringing up taxpayer money and unrelated things about Mueller sounds pretty sweaty to me.

 

[Spheyr]

Unrelated things, like Mueller's track record for lying to get his goals accomplished...

 

[King of Foxes]

Unrelated things, like Mueller's track record for lying to get his goals accomplished...

He was the WMD's in Iraq guy right?

 

[JDB]

Unrelated things, like Mueller's track record for lying to get his goals accomplished...

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