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Fellow PC Gamers, I Have Two Questions

BluRayHiDef

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1. As some of you may know, I intend to buy an RTX 3090 and the model that I prefer is the Asus ROG Strix Edition. However, I have just learned that the official price of that edition is $1,799.99 (U.S. Dollars); hence, combined with state and local tax, I'd have to pay $1,959.70. I want this edition because its ARGB ligting matches the aesthetic of my build and because it has LED indicators on its power-pin connector ports that flash in certain colors and patterns to indicate the sufficiency of the power that's being supplied to it. Hence, before I make my final decision, I'd like to know why Asus ROG Strix Edition cards are priced so much higher than other SKUs. Are they the highest quality bins and therefore have the best potential for overclocking? If not, I may instead try to get a Founders Edition card.


2. I have stated in the past that I Intend to upgrade my CPU and motherboard when DDR5 is released; I'm currently using an i7-5820k and an Asus Deluxe motherboard. However, if my current setup severely bottlenecks an RTX 3090, I'd upgrade sooner, with a Zen 3 processor and supporting motherboard.

Anyhow, my question pertains to whether or not my CPU is bottlenecking my GTX 1080Ti in Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020), which I bought from Steam yesterday. I haven't had much time to actually play it, but before I left home for work a couple of hours ago, I played it a little at 4K with the graphical settings that the game itself recommended: everything set to Ultra and other maximum values.

However, just merely sitting in the cockpit on a runway at night brought my system to its knees; my PC could render only 27 frames per second. Even after lowering each setting by one level (e.g. Ultra to Very High), the frame rate remained the same, which makes me believe that my CPU is bottlenecking my 1080Ti.

If my CPU is indeed the bottleneck, is its performance in this game indicative of its performance in upcoming games, such as Cyberpunk 2077? Or is this game an anomaly like Crysis was back in 2007 and therefore shouldn't be used as a frame of reference for the system requirements of upcoming games?
 

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Asus always has a premium price on their products. The 3080 will be $850 when the MSRP is $700. Closes card I seen was on Best Buy that was $750 and I forgot if it was Gigabyte or Zotac. For your question on the bottleneck, I doubt its the CPU since you're more GPU bound at higher resolutions like 1440p and 4k. For instance, the 3300x doesn't even bottleneck a 2080Ti according to Gamers Nexus. Might be like Jensen said "It's OK for you 1080ti owners to upgrade" , lol. But in my opinion, if you're going to go all out for a 3090 I'd say you should at least grab a CPU that's a little more up to date without you having to switch motherboards. I'm like you and don't plan to upgrade from my 2600 and B450 until AM5/DDR5, but I have thought about grabbing another CPU for in the meantime. Undecided. Good luck on getting a more proper answer!
 
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BluRayHiDef

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No, your CPU isn't a bottleneck at 4K lmao
I want sure, because a lot of people in this forum have told me that my CPU and motherboard are very old and that I need to upgrade them. Also, the 1080Ti is still a very good card for most games even today, so I didn't think that it was the bottleneck.
 

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1) No. All hardware vendors like ripping people off, and Asus just tends to go a bit further than others.

2) FS 2020 runs like shit at 4K no matter what you play it on. 27 FPS is perfectly normal for a 1080 Ti.

Considering how many threads you've made lately, it's pretty clear that you're super worried and maybe even a bit insecure about all of this stuff. If you haven't already, I'd suggest asking people on an actual hardware board. Not saying all posters here are clueless about hardware, but this is primarily a console gaming board, and I've seen people throw out some truly horrible advice when it comes to this topic.
 
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1) No. All hardware vendors like ripping people off, and Asus just tends to go a bit further than others.

2) FS 2020 runs like shit at 4K no matter what you play it on. 27 FPS is perfectly normal for a 1080 Ti.

Considering how many threads you've made lately, it's pretty clear that you're super worried and maybe even a bit insecure about all of this stuff. If you haven't already, I'd suggest asking people on an actual hardware board. Not saying all posters here are clueless about hardware, but this is primarily a console gaming board, and I've seen people throw out some truly horrible advice when it comes to this topic.
Give me advice, Senpai. Tell me what to do.
 

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Microsoft Flight Simulator is a next gen game. Ultra settings here do not equal ultra settings in something like Ace Combat 7.

Watch Digital Foundry's video on optimized settings for the game so you can balance performance and graphics.
 
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My advice is right there in my post. Visit an actual hardware board and ask your questions there.
Thanks, Senpai. You're the best. However, I've decided that I'm going to stick with my plan and buy either the FE or the ROG Strix Edition depending on which one I can get my hands on. I'll subsequently upgrade my CPU and motherboard sometime in the future.
 
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I don't think there is anything on the market that can actually run flight simulator at 60fps 100% of the time.
Digital foundry did a nice video explaining the graphics features of that game and some recommended settings.

 
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Microsoft Flight Simulator is a next gen game. Ultra settings here do not equal ultra settings in something like Ace Combat 7.

Watch Digital Foundry's video on optimized settings for the game so you can balance performance and graphics.
I'll be sure to do so when I get home later. However, it should be noted that there was no increase or decrease in performance when I changed the settings from Ultra to Very High; the FPS stayed the same, which is odd if the CPU is not the bottleneck.
 

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Asus always has a premium price on their products. The 3080 will be $850 when the MSRP is $700. Closes card I seen was on Best Buy that was $750 and I forgot if it was Gigabyte or Zotac. For your question on the bottleneck, I doubt its the CPU since you're more GPU bound at higher resolutions like 1440p and 4k. For instance, the 3300x doesn't even bottleneck a 2080Ti according to Gamers Nexus. Might be like Jensen said "It's OK for you 1080ti owners to upgrade" , lol. But in my opinion, if you're going to go all out for a 3090 I'd say you should at least grab a CPU that's a little more up to date without you having to switch motherboards. I'm like you and don't plan to upgrade from my 2600 and B450 until AM5/DDR5, but I have thought about grabbing another CPU for in the meantime. Undecided. Good luck on getting a more proper answer!
Other CPUs that fit LGA 2011-V3 are too much money for a temporary fix (i.e. i7-5960x and 6950x). Also, their single-core performance is barely better.
 

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I wouldn't suggest that you pay nearly 2000 dollars on a 2080Ti successor which is exactly what the 3090 is. Just get the 3080 FE or Strix or whatever. And no i do not think that Flight Simulator performance will be indicative of Cyberpunk 2077 or other such AAA games.
 

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Strix cards are usually the best ones in terms of performance and build quality but way too expensive IMHO.

And no, your CPU is not bottlenecking.
 
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Strix cards are usually the best ones in terms of performance and build quality but way too expensive IMHO.

And no, your CPU is not bottlenecking.
Paying 15% more for 4% more “performance” if there’s even an increase.
 

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1. As some of you may know, I intend to buy an RTX 3090 and the model that I prefer is the Asus ROG Strix Edition. However, I have just learned that the official price of that edition is $1,799.99 (U.S. Dollars); hence, combined with state and local tax, I'd have to pay $1,959.70. I want this edition because its ARGB ligting matches the aesthetic of my build and because it has LED indicators on its power-pin connector ports that flash in certain colors and patterns to indicate the sufficiency of the power that's being supplied to it. Hence, before I make my final decision, I'd like to know why Asus ROG Strix Edition cards are priced so much higher than other SKUs. Are they the highest quality bins and therefore have the best potential for overclocking? If not, I may instead try to get a Founders Edition card.


2. I have stated in the past that I Intend to upgrade my CPU and motherboard when DDR5 is released; I'm currently using an i7-5820k and an Asus Deluxe motherboard. However, if my current setup severely bottlenecks an RTX 3090, I'd upgrade sooner, with a Zen 3 processor and supporting motherboard.

Anyhow, my question pertains to whether or not my CPU is bottlenecking my GTX 1080Ti in Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020), which I bought from Steam yesterday. I haven't had much time to actually play it, but before I left home for work a couple of hours ago, I played it a little at 4K with the graphical settings that the game itself recommended: everything set to Ultra and other maximum values.

However, just merely sitting in the cockpit on a runway at night brought my system to its knees; my PC could render only 27 frames per second. Even after lowering each setting by one level (e.g. Ultra to Very High), the frame rate remained the same, which makes me believe that my CPU is bottlenecking my 1080Ti.

If my CPU is indeed the bottleneck, is its performance in this game indicative of its performance in upcoming games, such as Cyberpunk 2077? Or is this game an anomaly like Crysis was back in 2007 and therefore shouldn't be used as a frame of reference for the system requirements of upcoming games?
I have the perfect video for you and any other potential 3090 buyers (read: don't).

 
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They always have been think they get the better binned GPU's that's about it.

If price is an issue just get a card from a cheaper board partner I guess. All this pricing is based on RGB and how 'sick' the cooler looks.
 
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What about the LED indicators on the power-pin connector ports? Not a useful enough additional cost?
It does perhaps have some usefulness from a troubleshooting POV. But if you have a quality 850W PSU I doubt you'll ever need those fancy Strix 3090 power ports. I wouldn't say it's useful but I wouldn't say it's useless. I need to see some examples that shows its usefulness in practice before I'm convinced of its value.
We are all waiting ddr5 for the new rig...
I'd like to get DDR5, but I'm not confident in first gen DDR5 because maybe second or third gen might be significant improvements.
 
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I just got approved for a Best Buy Citi Bank Visa Card. I'll be using it to buy the 3090; I'll pay half immediately and then the other half over the following two weeks.
 

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We are all waiting ddr5 for the new rig...
And then people are going to realise it makes minimal difference for games.

OP, flight sim has bottlenecks everywhere, the best anyone can hope for right now in that game at 4k (even those with 2080ti's) at max settings is a stable 30fps.
 
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I have a question for YOU OP: Why would you want to spend 1500+ dollars for a video cards that just isn't needed for gaming? Why not cut the price in half and get the 3080 which offers much more value
 

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I have a question for YOU OP: Why would you want to spend 1500+ dollars for a video cards that just isn't needed for gaming? Why not cut the price in half and get the 3080 which offers much more value
I have to ask the same thing but for a different reason... Why do this when you know it will be bottlenecked by your CPU?

For the total amount of money you are sending you can get a 3080 and a new CPU/motherboard/ram that will remove the CPU bottleneck and keep you going for a couple of years at least until you decide to upgrade for the much talked up DDR5.

Putting a 3090 on an old platform like that is lunacy.
 
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And then people are going to realise it makes minimal difference for games.

OP, flight sim has bottlenecks everywhere, the best anyone can hope for right now in that game at 4k (even those with 2080ti's) at max settings is a stable 30fps.
I'm an impulsive guy, i will probably not gonna wait ddr5 when the big games that i wanna play are gonna come out :ROFLMAO:
 

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I have a question for YOU OP: Why would you want to spend 1500+ dollars for a video cards that just isn't needed for gaming? Why not cut the price in half and get the 3080 which offers much more value
3080 has less VRAM than my 1080Ti; it's a downgrade in regard to VRAM. Also, I edit videos in 4K and the RTX 3090 would therefore be useful. The following is a video of me working on a diagram for another video that I've been making about IMAX; go to 1:55:12 to see me explain what I'm doing and provide a look at what I've come up with so far apart from the diagram.

 

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Are you planning on doing some video editing, asset modelling or neural network training? If not, then I would not recommend the 3090. You are better off with a 3080 (which is also overpriced, IMHO).
 

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Are you planning on doing some video editing, asset modelling or neural network training? If not, then I would not recommend the 3090. You are better off with a 3080 (which is also overpriced, IMHO).
Check my post that's directly above yours.
 
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Check my post that's directly above yours.
Alright, then. My mistake. I would probably stay with your current 1080Ti, if VRAM is important to you. But I would argue that you'd still should consider a 3080 because the bandwidth improvement might likely be more beneficial overall, if nVidia's and Microsoft's "DirectGPU"/"Windows Direct Storage" thing is not a meme (I mean it lends itself to video editing tasks). I don't think any card is worth more than $1000 unless a corporation buys it for you or something. nVidia are just greedy fucks, as always.
 
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1. Yes, there is more bins (chip qual). Better bins has higher potential for better OC and to run cooler. These better binned chips usually go to Higher OC editions, such as the ASUS one you mentioned. If you really care abou the best bin, you should go with FE edition, cause Nvidia is keeping the best chips for their own FE cards. (at least if Turing is anything to go by). The reviews will be there soon, so we will see.

2. With that CPU, you should be good for some time. Ofc with 3090 and lower res, there will be bottleneck, but that card would be bottlenecked even with much better CPU.

Nice case btw. Is that classic Dynamic or XL version?
Are you using all 9 fans to exhaust? Are your GPU temps OK? I know it looks much better like this, but I would change the bottom 3 fans as intake, if I were you. It would help with the airflow a lot.
 
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1. Yes, there is more bins (chip qual). Better bins has higher potential for better OC and to run cooler. These better binned chips usually go to Higher OC editions, such as the ASUS one you mentioned. If you really care abou the best bin, you should go with FE edition, cause Nvidia is keeping the best chips for their own FE cards. (at least if Turing is anything to go by). The reviews will be there soon, so we will see.

2. With that CPU, you should be good for some time. Ofc with 3090 and lower res, there will be bottleneck, but that card would be bottlenecked even with much better CPU.

Nice case btw. Is that classic Dynamic or XL version?
Are you using all 9 fans to exhaust? Are your GPU temps OK? I know it looks much better like this, but I would change the bottom 3 fans as intake, if I were you. It would help with the airflow a lot.
Thanks for the informative response.


My case is the ROG XL version.


I am aware that I need to reorient some of the fans so that they can function as intake fans rather than exhaust fans. I'm going to switch the bottom three as you've suggested. I'm also going to install one more fan, as an intake fan, in the back (above the graphics card's I/O shield).

As for my temps, my CPU idles in the high 30s and low 40s. Under 100% load while running Cinebench R15, the temps max out in the mid 60s.
 
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flight simulator 2020 is likely held back by two things: a non-optimized engine, massive data usage, and your 1080ti. if you want to check the bottleneck, just open task manager and see what your CPU is when running it. but you should google "MS flight sim 2020 settings for fps" or something because there are some settings you can change to improve fps. firstly, you should not be playing that game in 4k on a 1080. a 2080ti struggles with that game on 4k.
 

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flight simulator 2020 is likely held back by two things: a non-optimized engine, massive data usage, and your 1080ti. if you want to check the bottleneck, just open task manager and see what your CPU is when running it. but you should google "MS flight sim 2020 settings for fps" or something because there are some settings you can change to improve fps. firstly, you should not be playing that game in 4k on a 1080. a 2080ti struggles with that game on 4k.
Why would the game itself recommended and set all of the settings to their maximum levels if my rig can't handle it?
 

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Why would the game itself recommended and set all of the settings to their maximum levels if my rig can't handle it?
probably because it doesn't take into account your resolution. try dropping it to 1920x1080 and then re-recommend the settings. you could also open up geforce experience and see what that recommends, but i never trust the "recommended" settings anyway. just play with the options yourself and see what works best for you.
 
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1. As some of you may know, I intend to buy an RTX 3090 and the model that I prefer is the Asus ROG Strix Edition. However, I have just learned that the official price of that edition is $1,799.99 (U.S. Dollars); hence, combined with state and local tax, I'd have to pay $1,959.70. I want this edition because its ARGB ligting matches the aesthetic of my build and because it has LED indicators on its power-pin connector ports that flash in certain colors and patterns to indicate the sufficiency of the power that's being supplied to it. Hence, before I make my final decision, I'd like to know why Asus ROG Strix Edition cards are priced so much higher than other SKUs. Are they the highest quality bins and therefore have the best potential for overclocking? If not, I may instead try to get a Founders Edition card.


2. I have stated in the past that I Intend to upgrade my CPU and motherboard when DDR5 is released; I'm currently using an i7-5820k and an Asus Deluxe motherboard. However, if my current setup severely bottlenecks an RTX 3090, I'd upgrade sooner, with a Zen 3 processor and supporting motherboard.

Anyhow, my question pertains to whether or not my CPU is bottlenecking my GTX 1080Ti in Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020), which I bought from Steam yesterday. I haven't had much time to actually play it, but before I left home for work a couple of hours ago, I played it a little at 4K with the graphical settings that the game itself recommended: everything set to Ultra and other maximum values.

However, just merely sitting in the cockpit on a runway at night brought my system to its knees; my PC could render only 27 frames per second. Even after lowering each setting by one level (e.g. Ultra to Very High), the frame rate remained the same, which makes me believe that my CPU is bottlenecking my 1080Ti.

If my CPU is indeed the bottleneck, is its performance in this game indicative of its performance in upcoming games, such as Cyberpunk 2077? Or is this game an anomaly like Crysis was back in 2007 and therefore shouldn't be used as a frame of reference for the system requirements of upcoming games?
1) There are a lot of factors u gotta consider with GPU"s and there overclock capability's.

Here's a list
- cooling
- base boost clock
- power it can push through, could very well be that AIB slam another 6 pins next towards the 12 pin to give it more headroom
- voltage limit ( something nvidia loves to do )
- boost clock limitations
- memory modules where they are placed and if they are cooled well and if they are of higher quality then some other brands have
- binned chip
- lottery on chip lingo
- sound is also important if u sit straight next towards it, a cooler that hits airplane noises at 70+% fan speed vs a card that is dead silent at 100% but cools the same is a big difference.

Technically more expensive cards will give you better quality components on it, a single fan 1080 mini isn't going to to have a GPU core on it that runs at 1,8ghz boost clock for example or quality memory chips, binned chips are useless for those cards and they will have mostly the dud chips on them with half of the memory on the back of the card not cooled.

However all of this could still mean u could end up with a dud. I bought 580's for 700 bucks that where the best of the best and i couldn't get my first one even 5mhz over the stock clocks. Even binned chips can be duds.

So the only way for you to know if a GPU is a good one or not is by waiting for benchmarks. if u can't wait u just yolo it basically.

2) i got a 9900k that runs at 5,1ghz, even my 970 bottlenecked this CPU in games i play. They are billions / guild wars 2 / anno 1800 all games that heavily relay on CPU performance mostly and are badly optimized fo rmulticore solutions which results in GPU's being utterly pointless for them. 90% of the games i play my 1080ti sits at 50% usage for example.

If your CPU bottlenecks a game, all depends on the game and the demand the game pushes and the settings u pushes forwards. Every single GPU and CPU can be bottlenecked.

For microsoft flight simulator, i can't really find any good CPU benchmark for it which is kinda odd but from what i found is this benchmark.



It's pretty darn obvious for higher settings that CPU is a massive bottleneck. ( 9700 intel cpu basically ). Seems like the game uses only 4 cores mostly is dx11 on top of it. In short on 3090 u will see the same minimums at 4k or lower depends on how demanding the GPU department is. But this is at high settings so reducing settings could bring it up to acceptable levels etc as cpu load reduces.

So for your answer is the 3090 bottlenecked on your system, depends on the game.

About cyberpunk.

We don't know what cyberpunk does, it could be that it brings a 9900k to its knee's or 10900k and runs at 30 fps if they push the settings hard enough, could also be they don't and we will see 100+ fps even on budget cpu chips.
All we do know is that its builded around current gen which means reducing settings will most likely make the game run well even on older cpu's. The top ? its a crap shoot nobody knows until its out.
 
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