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Fermi (Nvidia Next Gen) GCPU Architecture: Thread of promises, waiting and 2010

drizzle said:
That's the thing: AA is the only option i CAN see a difference. All the other crap you mentioned, I can sincerely tell you that i don't even know what they mean. I see them in games, Ii turn them on, I see no difference, I turn them off - that's why i don't even research them.

On an earlier message, somebody posted a site that allowed you to change between screenshots of the settings on the exact same scene on Half Life 2. The difference is obviously there, but it sincerely doesn't bother me. At least not ingame. If i'm going to be taking screenshots of my games to show others (photomode anyone?), I guess i can see it being applied.

I can't really pay that much attention to details on games either. The FPS drop is a much more noticeable (and annoying) loss for me.

Really? Back in the days when AA was expensive and didn't use it, I'd still crank up the ansio. It basically removes the smear from the distance as you're walking. I guess it doesn't matter if your eyesight isn't that great, but I've never heard of ansio causing any performance hit. It's basically free on modern cards.
 
M3d10n said:
It'd be nice for NVidia to take a hit and even out the market share. Maybe it can also make they stop this re-branding nonsense that is slowly gearing towards the GF4 nonsense, where we had widely different GPU generations in the same product line and have them design a proper architecture that is usable from IGPs to nuclear-powered 4-way SLI monsters.

Anyone praising NVidia drivers never tried to do anything serious using more than one monitor with them. My last straw was having the removal of theater mode (using Vista's WDM as an excuse - while ATI's theater mode actually works even in Vista) and the fact that 3D performance is halved in rotated/extended displays.


You need a 3rd party tool to force AF in games? Isn't there an option for this in the NV panel?

Ofcourse there is, but nHancer is much nicer to work with and includes a bunch of other tools.
 
1-D_FTW said:
AMD/Intel/Nvdia/ATI, I'm actually agnostic when buying and want them all to go back and forth so nobody gets nutty with pricing. When I upgrade I'll buy the card that's got the best bang for the buck. But all things being close to equal, I'm gonna have preferences. Wading through hundreds and hundreds of posts trying to figure why my HDTV Wonder was a broken POS is gonna do that.
Which is exactly the opposite of what you said upstream; you were willing to take a 10% inferior product for the same price. :/

markot said:
My problem with Nvidia is the smack talking they do >.<

Theyre kinda jerks.

So yeah, landing flat on their asses would be nice for abit.
There is no problem with smack talking as long as it can be backed up. Unfortunately for Nvidia, their execution has led them down and they are not looking good. I hope they can at the least buckle up and let their product do the smack talk. After NV30, they kept quiet and we got the NV40. I want a repeat of that, please!
 
Gorgon said:
The PS4 will most likely be an updated and multicore version of Cell (something like 4 general purpose cores with an X number of SPEs around them, which means less money spent on R&D and a natural migration for devs without any new exotic architecture), a unified memory pool (ditching the XDR for GDDR) and certainly a third-party GPU from Intel, NVidea (if still an option) or AMD.

That's what I suspect
 
you guys worry too much

there's a lot of things on the graphics side for fermi too, last week's GTC is fully dedicated to general computing, since it's an event set up for that community. there's a lot of surprises in the store for the graphics side also.
 
bee said:
gtx 295 is now £10 less in UK than a ati 5870 :O , won't be buying though

It'd have to be a good £50 less to even be worth considering imo, far too many drawbacks. Still it does make you wonder how Nvidia are selling are card with two chips that are both individualy larger than a 5870 for less money. They've got to be taking a bath on that.


Kirashi said:
you guys worry too much

there's a lot of things on the graphics side for fermi too, last week's GTC is fully dedicated to general computing, since it's an event set up for that community. there's a lot of surprises in the store for the graphics side also.

Nice to hear, I question the smarts of announcing Fermi the way it was, it was always going to receive a backlash from gamers, and the enthusiast press, giving gaming a backseat like that but if there's still good news to come then all is not lost. There's still time to turn this around, I guess we've just got to get used to being "second class citizens", and who can blame Nvidia for that, they're not going to be earning 2000%+ margins in the gaming space like they very well could in the HPC space.

Its a very interesting architecture, and the potential really is massive, its all about timing really, and whether sacrificing some marketshare in the gaming space is worth the potential benefits elsewhere.

Ignore irfan, he's an enthusiastic guy but I'm sure even he'll admit he shares a love for hyperbole and shock with Charlie. Heck, I even I like to see the panic and stunned reactions that shocking rumours can bring to the masses.
 
irfan said:
Which is exactly the opposite of what you said upstream; you were willing to take a 10% inferior product for the same price. :/

Chill out. And I don't really consider 10 percent to be a huge difference. My biggest measurement when buying is performance/watt. Lots of things go into what I buy. My last four cards have been two from ATI and two from Nvidia (plus an ATI HDTV Wonder)... which is probably more platform neutrality than you can claim.
 
fermi has been more than 4 years in works, i'd say (my view doesn't represent my employer's view of course) it'd be pretty hard to see exactly what happens during holiday season 2009 back in 2005.

the purpose of fermi isn't only to bring better graphics for games, it is to expand the serviceable market for future developement.

with the amount of money it is required to develope a new chip now days and the eventual limitation of the current architecture. gaming revenue isn't going to be able to prop up developement cost anymore.

i'd even go as far as to say that if both GPU company doesn't do something major in the next 3-5 years, they probably won't exist in the future. (well technically ATI already doesn't exist). fermi is a great gpu, it's also more than a gpu, i am not sure why "gamers" are butthurt at this point because you are alienated? no you aren't alienated, it's just that to be able to develope more great products in the future in a sustainable manner, more needs to be done, gpu needs to do more than just render awesome 3d.
 
Kirashi said:
fermi is a great gpu, it's also more than a gpu, i am not sure why "gamers" are butthurt at this point because you are alienated? no you aren't alienated, it's just that to be able to develope more great products in the future in a sustainable manner, more needs to be done, gpu needs to do more than just render awesome 3d.
It's pretty simple, really -- most gamers don't need a graphics card for anything more than games, and if I'm going to spend $200-600 on a product, I'd rather not pay for features or hardware that I'm not going to use.

I understand why Nvidia wants to broaden its target audience, and I'm certainly interested in watching the progress of the GPGPU field as it matures, but I don't want to personally invest in that. If Fermi can deliver competitive gaming performance/dollar and performance/watt, then I'll give it a fair look. But given the past generation and the different approaches taken by Nvidia/ATI, I'm going to be skeptical until we see the actual product, and I assume that most "butthurt" gamers feel the same.
 
1-D_FTW said:
Chill out. And I don't really consider 10 percent to be a huge difference. My biggest measurement when buying is performance/watt. Lots of things go into what I buy. My last four cards have been two from ATI and two from Nvidia (plus an ATI HDTV Wonder)... which is probably more platform neutrality than you can claim.
You are right; Ti 4200, 9800 Pro, 7600GT, 8800GT & 9800GTX. I'm not as platform neutral as you but I'm more open in the sense I'm willing to try new products if they offer real good bang for buck and or killer features.

Kirashi said:
fermi has been more than 4 years in works, i'd say (my view doesn't represent my employer's view of course) it'd be pretty hard to see exactly what happens during holiday season 2009 back in 2005.

the purpose of fermi isn't only to bring better graphics for games, it is to expand the serviceable market for future developement.

with the amount of money it is required to develope a new chip now days and the eventual limitation of the current architecture. gaming revenue isn't going to be able to prop up developement cost anymore.

i'd even go as far as to say that if both GPU company doesn't do something major in the next 3-5 years, they probably won't exist in the future. (well technically ATI already doesn't exist). fermi is a great gpu, it's also more than a gpu, i am not sure why "gamers" are butthurt at this point because you are alienated? no you aren't alienated, it's just that to be able to develope more great products in the future in a sustainable manner, more needs to be done, gpu needs to do more than just render awesome 3d.
I'd like to see some gaming performance first, its a video card after all. I dont want a jack of all trades and master of none (graphics).
 
bee said:
gtx 295 is now £10 less in UK than a ati 5870 :O , won't be buying though
Not in the US. Still over $100 over the price of a 5870. :D I will sell my GTX295 soon, glad to see it is keeping its value. I am hoping for some foolish Nvidia fanboy to snatch it off my hands, but I doubt anybody who is following the GPU market would want to do it.

Anyway, EVGA is releasing a GPU with a dedicated Cuda chip. This is interesting. Does SLI carry over in PhysX? As in, will multiple Cuda chips give you better PhysX performance? I am under the impression they don't jusding from [H] reviews of Batman: AA where the GTX 285 beat the GTX295 when PhysX got turned on. Anyway, here is the article of the new Nvidia card. Most likely EVGA had a surplus of G80 chips so why not slap them along a GTX275.

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/new...-launch-a-new-dual-gpu-card-on-halloween.aspx
 
Remotely new info as in tech demo screens, everything else we already know.

NVM, shots are FAKE.

Btw, the GTS 360M is based on G21x and not Fermi, sorry folks we're in for another round of Nvidia rebranding.
 
irfan said:
Remotely new info as in tech demo screens, everything else we already know.

NVM, shots are FAKE.

Btw, the GTS 360M is based on G21x and not Fermi, sorry folks we're in for another round of Nvidia rebranding.
Oh give me a break. Well will it at least have DX11 support and a smaller, less power consuming form factor?
 
Mr. Wonderful said:
Oh give me a break. Well will it at least have DX11 support and a smaller, less power consuming form factor?
The speculation is 40nm, GDDR5, probably DX10.1; 300M been known to be G200 based for months.
 
Well it's even more official, no Fermi until at least Q1 2010, probably March at earliest, if not Q2.

NVIDIA’s CEO Jen-Hsun Huang said during quarterly conference call that the company would only ramp up production of Fermi in the company’s first quarter of fiscal year 2011 which begins on January 26th and ends on April 26th. So, just don’t expect the Fermi-based graphics cards to be shipping in calendar 2009.
“Next year it is going to be an interesting first quarter because, in fact, we will need more wafers than ever in Q1. The reason for that is because - and I mean more 40nm wafers than ever in Q1 - we are… fully ramping Fermi for three different product lines: GeForce, Quadro and Tesla,” said Jen-Hsun Huang.

Will be interesting to see how these cards perform when we get benchmarks in another 4 or 5 months hopefully. I'm not sure what to expect, but I'm not expecting anything from Fermi which is going to tear apart ATI's 5800 cards.
 
Minsc said:
Well it's even more official, no Fermi until at least Q1 2010, probably March at earliest, if not Q2.

Will be interesting to see how these cards perform when we get benchmarks in another 4 or 5 months hopefully. I'm not sure what to expect, but I'm not expecting anything from Fermi which is going to tear apart ATI's 5800 cards.
Jebus, ATI will be the uncontested GPU leader for roughly six months by the time Nvidia releases their new parts. And I would imagine that ATI will have their next batch of GPUs available by then.
 
irfan said:
You are right; Ti 4200, 9800 Pro, 7600GT, 8800GT & 9800GTX. I'm not as platform neutral as you but I'm more open in the sense I'm willing to try new products if they offer real good bang for buck and or killer features.


I'd like to see some gaming performance first, its a video card after all. I dont want a jack of all trades and master of none (graphics).

9800GTX was hardly worth the upgrade from 8800GT. Why did you buy a card that's only 10% faster than your last one?
 
edible_candle said:
Jebus, ATI will be the uncontested GPU leader for roughly six months by the time Nvidia releases their new parts. And I would imagine that ATI will have their next batch of GPUs available by then.

Maybe not next batch, but the 5890 might be out by then, and probably be close to Fermi performance for half the price.
 
I'm faithful to Nvidia (nHancer earned that for me lol) so I'm planning on waiting for Fermi, but can someone please confirm whether or not it will have DirectX 11 support? If it doesn't I will probably wait until Nvidia does I guess.
 
grif1020 said:
I'm faithful to Nvidia (nHancer earned that for me lol) so I'm planning on waiting for Fermi, but can someone please confirm whether or not it will have DirectX 11 support? If it doesn't I will probably wait until Nvidia does I guess.

There is no reason to be "faithful" to any company. Just buy the better bang for the buck. They don't care about you, you shouldn't care about them.

In fact, nVidia did the dirtiest thing either company has done when they renamed the 8800GTS 512 to 9800GT and tricked a bunch of people into buying it.
 
I'm planning to build my computer around Nvidia Fermi next year. Hope it'll turn out good as it has to be a Nvidia card for 3D Vision to be supported.
 
Minsc said:
Well it's even more official, no Fermi until at least Q1 2010, probably March at earliest, if not Q2.



Will be interesting to see how these cards perform when we get benchmarks in another 4 or 5 months hopefully. I'm not sure what to expect, but I'm not expecting anything from Fermi which is going to tear apart ATI's 5800 cards.
For somebody who has a really good GPU already, waiting for Nvidia is the best choice. There is not game that currently taxes my GTX295. Hopefully Rage is out before Fermi shows up.
 
Zzoram said:
There is no reason to be "faithful" to any company. Just buy the better bang for the buck. They don't care about you, you shouldn't care about them.
Sure, but he actually stated a reason why he waits: nHancer. (And I can understand that, it's so utterly superior to any similar solution, including the "official" ones in either vendor's drivers. Also Oblivion with SSAO is very nice)
 
Fuckin shit man. I've got a 8600 and was ready to upgrade to the Fermi by the end of this year. But now they throw this curve ball at me. I guess I'll have to pick up a cheap 8800 to hold me off in the mean time.
 
Bit-Bit said:
Fuckin shit man. I've got a 8600 and was ready to upgrade to the Fermi by the end of this year. But now they throw this curve ball at me. I guess I'll have to pick up a cheap 8800 to hold me off in the mean time.
8800GT's are harder to find, but plenty of 9800GT at around ~$70 used to be found.
 
It's like Nvidia is snorting the crack the government officials in Washington are doing. They make up what they want, think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and they charge what they think is fair to the people.

I can honestly say I'm not buying another Nvidia card either desktop or mobile. My recommendations are also going from Nvidia to ATI with this news.

What happened to you Nvidia.... good lord.
 
I don't really understand. Is this new architecture from nVidia going to blow the shit out from everything? Is it for gaming or for professionals? What's the innovation in it, what's the big deal?
 
I think the innovation is: unless they adapt to where the market is headed, they're going to be an obsolete dinosaur. They may very well be too early, or the product may be too poorly engineered, but it's easy to understand why they're rolling the dice like they did.
 
Yazus said:
I don't really understand. Is this new architecture from nVidia going to blow the shit out from everything? Is it for gaming or for professionals? What's the innovation in it, what's the big deal?
Considering all the rebranding it better beat everything.
 
1-D_FTW said:
I think the innovation is: unless they adapt to where the market is headed, they're going to be an obsolete dinosaur. They may very well be too early, or the product may be too poorly engineered, but it's easy to understand why they're rolling the dice like they did.

Sounds more like they got scared by Intel's hype and rejiggered their core business in a panic to their detriment. ATI sticking to the basics is looking like a genius move right now. Intel's investment in Larrabee might be worth it even if the product is a total dud, just by how badly it hurt Nvidia.

Nvidia is still way stronger financially than AMD/ATI.
 
Zzoram said:
There is no reason to be "faithful" to any company. Just buy the better bang for the buck. They don't care about you, you shouldn't care about them.

In fact, nVidia did the dirtiest thing either company has done when they renamed the 8800GTS 512 to 9800GT and tricked a bunch of people into buying it.

8800GTS 512 = G92 w/ all 128 sps activated . 9800GT = 8800GT which has 112sp activated. But yeah, I've had it with nvidia for now. But as with any hardware company, they are just one product launch away from redeeming themselves.
 
Well damn. I thought about waiting it out until some real sandy bridge information was out along with fermi before an upgrade.

Sounds like that could be months off. Maybe i should just upgrade right now and enjoy it.
 
dionysus said:
Sounds more like they got scared by Intel's hype and rejiggered their core business in a panic to their detriment. ATI sticking to the basics is looking like a genius move right now. Intel's investment in Larrabee might be worth it even if the product is a total dud, just by how badly it hurt Nvidia.

Nvidia is still way stronger financially than AMD/ATI.

Does AMD have a future though? Sure they're enjoying some GPU success at the moment, but what about beyond that.
 
Minsc said:
Well it's even more official, no Fermi until at least Q1 2010, probably March at earliest, if not Q2.



Will be interesting to see how these cards perform when we get benchmarks in another 4 or 5 months hopefully. I'm not sure what to expect, but I'm not expecting anything from Fermi which is going to tear apart ATI's 5800 cards.

Doesn´t sound good at all, IMO.

Yield rate problems with the 58xx and no new Nvidia card will probably keep the prices high for quite some time :/
 
Chrono said:
Does AMD have a future though? Sure they're enjoying some GPU success at the moment, but what about beyond that.

I'm not going to predict the future for AMD. If it was a competitive marketplace with many cpu makers, they would have failed a couple years ago. But there is a lot of money (and political will) willing to be invested in competition for Intel. AMD is currently benefitting from being partly owned and in partnership with a whole lot of Middle Eastern oil money.
 
Zzoram said:
9800GTX was hardly worth the upgrade from 8800GT. Why did you buy a card that's only 10% faster than your last one?
I found a cheap one, off of a friend .. which I flipped some time later for 5% more :D and stuck with the 8800GT.

Nvidia semi PR outlet Fudo is also claiming Fermi slipping into the next year.

lol @ the people being upset at me for naming this thread 2010. :lol
 
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"Fermi"

Products will be available in Q2 2010
 
irfan said:
I found a cheap one, off of a friend .. which I flipped some time later for 5% more :D and stuck with the 8800GT.

Nvidia semi PR outlet Fudo is also claiming Fermi slipping into the next year.

lol @ the people being upset at me for naming this thread 2010. :lol
:lol Duh.

Ho hum. My search for a low profile Nvidia card continues. The GT 220 is looking pretty nice, but there aren't many out yet. Nor many that support GDDR3 and have decent reviews.

Not to mention I'll be only getting a (relatively sizable) speed boost and DirectX 10.1, when the current version is 11.
 
godhandiscen said:
After reading Nvidia's paper, I would bet my left nut on the 58xx beating the GT300 when it comes to games. However, just to make matters worse:

Nvidia fakes Fermi boards at GPU Technology Conference

WHAT DO YOU do when have a major conference planned to introduce a card, but you don't have a card? You fake it, and Nvidia did just that.

In a really pathetic display, Nvidia actually faked the introduction of its latest video card, because it simply doesn't have boards to show. Why? Because it didn't get enough parts to properly bring them up, much less make demo boards. Why do we say they are faked? If you look at the pictures, it is painfully obvious that Fermi cards don't exist. Well, painful if you happen to be Dear Leader who waved fakes around and hopes to get away with it, but hilarious if you are anyone not working at Nvidia.


http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/10/01/nvidia-fakes-fermi-boards-gtc/


Confirmed by tons of sources already, not Charlie BS. I am honestly frustrated because the 5870 isn't that impressive after owning a GTX295 and with Nvidia being late to the game, and with a card that will be inferior when it comes to games, I can kiss goodbye to my dreams of playing Crysis maxed out at 60fps this gen. I might skip this gen altogether at this point.


Fuck... reading the full article, I just realized Charlie was right about a lot of shit, including this article... http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/09/15/nvidia-gt300-yeilds-under-2/

Fucking shit, Crysis is fucking 3 years old and I need to drop over a grand to max it out...

You need to drop a grand because it's coded like complete and utter fucking garbage. It's one of the worst coded games ever released.

Fact of the matter is you can still play mot PC games maxed out with an 8800GT or a 9800GTX.

Cards are overkill for what is being put on the market.
 
Blackface said:
You need to drop a grand because it's coded like complete and utter fucking garbage. It's one of the worst coded games ever released.

Fact of the matter is you can still play mot PC games maxed out with an 8800GT or a 9800GTX.

Cards are overkill for what is being put on the market.

Not if you like gaming at 1080p with high AA at ~60fps.

You most certainly can't play DoW 2 maxed out with a 9800GTX, or Risen, or many other new games.
 
-SD- said:
Most likely added-in later after some investors might have started to freak out. :D

VR-ZONE

Fermi in trouble?

We all know it is constantly being delayed - but at the end of all those delays, what we were expecting was a stellar product from Nvidia. However, with today's press release, certain inconvenient details are revealed. Let's forget about the delays for now, and just consider the product itself.

The first Fermi GPU - GF100 - as we know for a while now, is a 3 billion transistor giant, taking a die size of around 500 mm2. Compare this with the 2.15 billion transistor, 330 mm2 Cypress on the same 40nm TSMC process, and you would be expecting a different class of product. Unfortunately, the details revealed today about cast an uncertain shadow over this basic assumption.

The first thing worth noticing is a complete and total absence of Single Precision performance figures or any comparison to direct competition - i.e. ATI's GPGPUs. It is clear that Fermi's real performance advantage would be Double Precision performance - had it hit the right clock speeds.

However, today's press release suggests Nvidia have missed target speeds by a lot. To be fair, Tesla products do clock lower, though not by much. In fact, GTX 280 and Tesla C1060 were clocked the same. Even taking a generous increase for Geforce products, things are still uncertain. As a result, DP performance is rated at between 520 GFlops and 630 GFlops. Suddenly, ATI Radeon HD 5870 - which wasn't even supposed to be a direct competitor - is performing right on par with 544 GFlops against Fermi's supposed strong point.

Consider Single Precision - far more important for gaming graphics, and things turn rather ugly. GF100's target speeds were reported to be 1.5 GHz for the shaders. Based on the 520 / 630 GFlops figures, the shader clocks can only be estimated at 1015 MHz and 1230 MHz respectively.

The SP theoretical performance from 512 CUDA cores? Between 1.05 TFlops and 1.26 TFlops. Even less than 1.05 TFlops, considering the lesser part is likely to have units disabled. Now, no amount of overclock can bridge the enormous gap to the smaller, already available HD 5870, which stands pretty at 2.72 TFlops. Even the mainstream HD 5770 clocks in at 1.36 TFlops! Barring a different clock speed for SP units, or other technology we are unaware of, this is a dismal performance from the Fermi shaders. Sure, Nvidia's shaders are much more efficient, but this is just too massive a gap to claw back.

Then comes the price. A previous-gen C1060 released at $1699, falling to $1199. Compare this with fellow Geforce model, GTX 280, released at $649, falling quick to $500, and finally $300. The price of a next-gen C2070 is a whopping $3999. Nearly double the price as the previous generation C1060. Clearly, these are expensive products to make, so how much can Nvidia sell a Geforce version of Fermi for? Even the cheapest Tesla 20 variant, the C2050 costs $2499, nearly 50% more than the GT200 based C1060 flagship. Can Nvidia sell the $3999 Tesla product at $399 as a Geforce product?

So far, we are comparing GF100 to Cypress. Where, in reality, GF100 should be compared to Hemlock. 4.64 TFlops vs. 1.26 TFlops is not much of a comparison at all, however, CF limitations, ATI's less efficient shaders aside.

The other, much less common rumour is the possibility of a dual-GPU Fermi product. Well, considering "Typical" power of Tesla 20 is 190W, this will be highly unlikely, at least for a while. Not to mention, Geforce products might end up clocked higher. A HD 5870s peak TDP is 188W, lower than GF100's "typical" power! TDP is expected to be 220W, at least, and that is just too hot for a dual GPU product.

And we have not factored in the fact that GF100 is nowhere to be seen, and are unlikely to be on shelves in quantity for at least 4-5 months. Any further delays, and we will be looking at new products from AMD.

In the end, AMD have a solid product already available that is efficient, economical, scalable. Nvidia have ink on paper - and even that is not looking as promising as we may have hoped for. At this moment, we can only hope for "hidden" or "magical" gaming features which might bring about a revolution in how GPUs work. Short of that, all signs point to Fermi being in real trouble.
In short, massively under whelming DP figures suggest that they missed clock targets by a lot. Next is the pricing, which is twice as much and lastly the TDP suggest the dual Fermi is not a possibility, atleast not on 40nm or by possibily using disabled cluster Fermis'.

I hope we can get some competition going and we are pleasantly surprised by either the performance or both performance+features.
 
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Nvidia is such a tease. I guess they are doing this to counter the impact of the 5970 launch. However, since they are explicitly showing the Tesellation benchmark, it could mean that they are confident in surpassing the 5870 scores at least. In any case, I think this justifies the wait for me. I don't care about the price, I just want the fastest single core GPU.

Source:
http://twitpic.com/pyhdf
 
godhandiscen said:
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Nvidia is such a tease. I guess they are doing this to counter the impact of the 5970 launch. However, since they are explicitly showing the Tesellation benchmark, it could mean that they are confident in surpassing the 5870 scores at least. In any case, I think this justifies the wait for me. I don't care about the price, I just want the fastest single core GPU.

Source:
http://twitpic.com/pyhdf

I can't wait to see how big the SLI version of this will be.
 
they should just flip PC architecture around and have the GPU come in a big PC case with PSU etc, then you plug in a little CPU card.
 
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