Who else has worked on the game and what have they done? What exactly is Phil's role in the creation of this game?
I think he is the designer and there is another guy coding the game.
Who else has worked on the game and what have they done? What exactly is Phil's role in the creation of this game?
Who else has worked on the game and what have they done? What exactly is Phil's role in the creation of this game?
Way to remind me of that awful podcast segment. He was the only person in the room that day who didnt bend over to take their corporate shilling.
Seriously, Phil, if you have something to say about Japanese game design of the last couple of years, then go for it. I'm sure you have valid points as well. But don't expect anyone to accept this attitude. It's just not working for anyone.
Fish comes off as a dick, without a doubt. Couldn't matter to me less in terms of whether or not I buy his game. A lot of the greatet artists in the world also have big egos and bad personalities.
I think he is the designer and there is another guy coding the game.
Yep, never going to support someone that douchy.
Why gloss over the fact he was insulted first?
The problem I find is that I'm reading these statements that spend so much time propping things up to get angry at and knock down, yet these things are assumptions and broad generalizations, as well. Yes, it's a public figure who will likely get to act as lightning rod for all of which they supposedly represent. It just seems ridiculous that there's been so much energy thrown into loads of, really, nothing aside from the lack of tact and heaping of abrasiveness, perhaps.If you put yourself out there in the public domain, you better be ready to deal with criticism, it comes with the territory.
Who else has worked on the game and what have they done? What exactly is Phil's role in the creation of this game?
You're an idiot. You buy games to support devs so that they can recoup losses spent on developing the game, this is especially true for indie games. Also, yeah, no proceeds of games have ever gone to child's play or anything like that.Buying a game is not charity. People w belief it s under,one the idea of real charity. You should never buy any game to "support" someone. You should buy games because they are good.
If you want to support someone, become a big brother or donate monthly to a child in Africa. Those are people who need "support."
Stop thinking that you are doing good in the world when you are buying fucking videogames. Videogames have nothing at all to do with supporting a good cause. Ever.
You realise the game is going to be big, the Frisco media are in love with this prick. He'll get multiple download game of the year awards.
I really like that Jonathan Blow articulates his gripes with modern Japanese games, and I agree for the most part.
Anyway, what everyone should take away from the GS interview is that he makes valid points, backs them up with clear arguments, doesn't insult anyone along the way, really just analyzes what's in front of him without the big "fuck you" splash that really makes it hard to deal with people like Phil Fish.
Yep, his dick comment has a nice twinge of misogyny in it.I wonder if the Giant Bomb guys who were so interested in the recent controversy about demeaning language in the fighting game community will talk about Fish's oral rape comments on Twitter.
The guy didn't even ship a single game. His opinion about Japanese game design is as relevant as that of people posting on various forums.
Why is it always Juniors that come up with shit like that? Yes, a lot of artists are douche bags as well, which is why I don't buy their stuff. And going by the comments in this thread - a lot of Neogaf members won't as well.
Why gloss over the fact he was insulted first?
I wonder if the Giant Bomb guys who were so interested in the recent controversy about demeaning language in the fighting game community will talk about Fish's oral rape comments on Twitter.
Why is it always Juniors that come up with shit like that? Yes, a lot of artists are douche bags as well, which is why I don't buy their stuff. And going by the comments in this thread - a lot of Neogaf members won't as well.
Someone please answer this question since nobody has done this in this thread every single time I've asked: what is this "antiquated game design" that people think is so present in Japanese games? Is it the fact that the game doesn't play itself and simplify everything for the lowest common denominator?
So much energy? I myself am just sitting here typing in a forum thread when I'm annoyed with work. If it weren't this thread, it'd be some other thread. This isn't really an amazing feat. What do you think we're doing here, one backflip per letter?It just seems ridiculous that there's been so much energy thrown into loads of, really, nothing aside from the lack of tact and heaping of abrasiveness, perhaps.
Then alot of members of Neogaf have tragically confused buying videogames with expressing their voice or, even worse, with the idea of helping someone.
Que?You're an idiot. You buy games to support devs so that they can recoup losses spent on developing the game, this is especially true for indie games. Also, yeah, no proceeds of games have ever gone to child's play or anything like that.
I think he is the designer and there is another guy coding the game.
Then alot of members of Neogaf have tragically confused buying videogames with expressing their voice or, even worse, with the idea of helping someone.
I could understand if the game was produced in a way that exploited workers or created massive pollution, but I doubt these same people care much about that.
Instead, they only care when someone says something they disagreed with and their idea of responding is through denying a consumer purchase. Its the saddest conceptualization of a political voice I've ever heard.
If you want to protest something, protest something real. Not a rude comment some dude who made a videogames made. If you want to support a cause, go find a real one. Videogames are not about causes. They are rarely about anything meaningful. They are about consumerism and entertainment. These should not be confused with things that are important.
So much energy? I myself am just sitting here typing in a forum thread when I'm annoyed with work. If it weren't this thread, it'd be some other thread. This isn't really an amazing feat. What do you think we're doing here, one backflip per letter?
Buying a game is not charity. People w belief it s under,one the idea of real charity. You should never buy any game to "support" someone. You should buy games because they are good.
If you want to support someone, become a big brother or donate monthly to a child in Africa. Those are people who need "support."
Stop thinking that you are doing good in the world when you are buying fucking videogames. Videogames have nothing at all to do with supporting a good cause. Ever.
You're an idiot. You buy games to support devs so that they can recoup losses spent on developing the game, this is especially true for indie games. Also, yeah, no proceeds of games have ever gone to child's play or anything like that.
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Why gloss over the fact he was insulted first?
Because the baka gaijin deserved it!
Cherry picking.
Hah.. I kind of like this guy. You know how people like the asshole in talent shows like AGT and American Idol.
jesus christ.
Doesn't matter. Best thing they can do is use these lost sales, mine included, as a reminder on their next projects to not work with such a fucking cunt.
"Way to destroy your reputation without shipping a single game!" is the comment that @CrowTGamer made.
I'd say that's more a statement of fact than an insult. He is absolutely destroying his rep. Though his game will be out soon enough.
"Way to destroy your reputation without shipping a single game!" is the comment that @CrowTGamer made.
I'd say that's more a statement of fact than an insult. He is absolutely destroying his rep. Though his game will be out soon enough.
I usually just buy games because Im interested in the product and want to play it. Supporting the developer is more often than not left out of the equation unless the developer is particularly noteworthy to me.
Maybe you buy games to "support developers "and "help the developer recoup losses.". I do not. I maintain that is a dumb thing to do. I buy games because I thing that particular game is good.
Maybe sometimes If it is good enough I hope the dev makes enough to make more games which I may also want to buy, but my goal is never to support a developer. They are not starving childer in Africa. They are someone with whom I have a potential business transaction.
I no more intend to support a developer by buying games from than I intend to support Shell or B.P. when I buy gas.
No chance, hasn't Klepek been laughing along with Fish on twitter? No one will take him to task in the Frisco media over his arrogant behaviour.
But they shouldn't be taking the game to task for his comments either.
Actually, yeah. I kinda imagined exactly that for many posts in this thread given the phrasing and labeling/name-calling used. That, or some tense, hunched-over key drilling accompanied by half-breathed cussing. (This thread just seems unusually large and quickly-built for the base content.)What do you think we're doing here, one backflip per letter?
Are you ten years old? Is English not your first language? Have you recently suffered head trauma? Those are the only situations where I could look at your post and go "yeah, that makes sense. "Then alot of members of Neogaf have tragically confused buying videogames with expressing their voice or, even worse, with the idea of helping someone.
I could understand if the game was produced in a way that exploited workers or created massive pollution, but I doubt these same people care much about that.
Instead, they only care when someone says something they disagreed with and their idea of responding is through denying a consumer purchase. Its the saddest conceptualization of a political voice I've ever heard.
If you want to protest something, protest something real. Not a rude comment some dude who made a videogames made. If you want to support a cause, go find a real one. Videogames are not about causes. They are rarely about anything meaningful. They are about consumerism and entertainment. These should not be confused with things that are important.
Well you've certainly demonstrated an elevated level of behaviour.
This thread
Are you ten years old? Is English not your first language? Have you recently suffered head trauma? Those are the only situations where I could look at your post and go "yeah, that makes sense. "
Naww.. he called him a Schmuck. You must of skipped over that part.
Naww.. he called him a Schmuck. You must of skipped over that part.
Anyways, I don't care if a dood who made the game's a dick. I'm buying it because it looks rad. Seems pretty simple to me.
Why is it always Juniors that come up with shit like that? Yes, a lot of artists are douche bags as well, which is why I don't buy their stuff. And going by the comments in this thread - a lot of Neogaf members won't as well.
And the proper response to being called a schmuck is to tell the man or woman who used such a grave insult that he or she should suck on your penis until they choke.
What the fuck. You are equating a person who assaulted someone to a person who was asked and question on a panel and gave a douchey answer. One of them did something wrong the other is just trying to deal with the whole internet being butt hurt over nothing.He's like the Chris Brown of videogames.
If you buy a game because it's good, even though you don't want to you're still supporting the developer by buying that game.Maybe you buy games to "support developers "and "help the developer recoup losses.". I do not. I maintain that is a dumb thing to do. I buy games because I thing that particular game is good.
Maybe sometimes If it is good enough I hope the dev makes enough to make more games which I may also want to buy, but my goal is never to support a developer. They are not starving childer in Africa. They are someone with whom I have a potential business transaction.
I no more intend to support a developer by buying games from than I intend to support Shell or B.P. when I buy gas.
What the fuck. You are equating a person who assaulted someone to a person who was asked and question on a panel and gave a douchey answer. One of them did something wrong the other is just trying to deal with the whole internet being butt hurt over nothing.
If you buy a game because it's good, even though you don't want to you're still supporting the developer by buying that game.