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Fighting Games Weekly | June 22-28 | Ryu's in Smash 4, Jigglypuff's in SF5

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I think it is more that it is bad relative to his Alpha incarnation.

He's the best animated character in SFV by a mile. Not basing him on any previous design made them go wild with it as opposed to the subtle changes to charcters like Ryu where people struggle to see a difference right away. His Critical Art is extremely impressive looking and makes me really excited for entirely new characters .
 

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Is it wrong that I'm currently more interested in KI than SFV? Not hatin on SFV...it looks good so far, but I'm on the fence still after what I saw as to whether It'd fit me. KI just looks like more fun to me so far.

Wish there was a new tag fighter with assists though. Thats my real love interest. Just haven't felt the same towards fighters in ages without one.
 

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It cuts off tons of extra normals for each character that in the end would've made the game deeper.

Well, they are making SFV a simpler game than SFIV, making combos/specials easier but making the ground/footsie game stronger. Even tho I agree the game could be deeper with those extra normals you say, I trade that all day for the stronger footsie game plus vortexes being weak
 

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Aren't several of them still in as command attacks like in V-ism?

I like SFV Ryu's st.LK better anyway.

I'm not totally sure, I know there's still command attack/normals like Solar plexus, but no difference between far st.HP and cl. HP.

I'd love to eat crow and enjoy the game tho

Well, they are making SFV a simpler game than SFIV, making combos/specials easier but making the ground/footsie game stronger. Even tho I agree the game could be deeper with those extra normals you say, I trade that all day for the stronger footsie game plus vortexes being weak

Yea I'm down for less vortex and a stronger footsie game, but taking out tons of normals makes the footsie game a bit more plain imo

S/O's to unblockables being in the game anyway
 

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There isn't going to be a difference between close/far normals in SFV either.


smfh
Good riddance. I was so happy that Dudley didnt have that shit in 3S or 4. Nothing worse than your AA normal being a close proxy normal even though it actually would hit further.
 

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In a world where Rufus exist I don't think any Street Fighter character could be worse, although Birdy's new design certainly comes in a close second.

Do you hate rufus cause he's a fat guy and fat guys are lame?

I don't think he is pleasant looking, but he's not supposed to be. He represents a different American stereotype from Guile and Ken. A white guy doing a bad imitation of kung fu among actual fighters seems like an idea that would work alone. But he is also a character so condensed in American modern convenience that he is morbidly obese and his thoughts are completely detached to reality. Contrast this to Dhaslim, one of the rivals he has in game. The ridiculously long win quotes...the fact that one of his attacks is called Jesus kick.. In my opinion, Rufus is actually one of the better new characters from a creative standpoint.


It's a step up from heart boobs. I would also argue he's above antihero edgelord Angelina Jolie and Jolyne Kujo with every psycho anime girl cliche attached.
 

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Nice, how much it ran you?

MSRP was 1150 so with tax it was 1250.

It's 13.3 inches or so though. Great specs and super lite. I can probably do a lot on it plus it can be used as a tablet. I might try some fun stuff at tournaments with it.
 

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BTW just pre-ordered
sorry Dahbomb
SFV for PC, and man, in comparison to the PS4 version, it's so cheap! If only I could be 100% sure it'll be playable on release....
 

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Good riddance. I was so happy that Dudley didnt have that shit in 3S or 4. Nothing worse than your AA normal being a close proxy normal even though it actually would hit further.
Yeah it seems like SFV is being very smart at removing extraneous parts of the combat system to remove frustration and become a more focused system for lack of better words. If it doesn't work well enough or have a purpose, they've decided to gut it. Similarly, getting rid of hard knock downs has done so much good for the pace and general engagement of players that it really is difficult now to watch hard knock down set ups dominate SFIV (even if we're talking Ultra). That might just be the best change moving forward with how much it does for the neutral and general dynamism of the combat.

unless you played lots of SFIV, then IDK shit sux
 

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Do you hate rufus cause he's a fat guy and fat guys are lame?

I don't think he is pleasant looking, but he's not supposed to be. He represents a different American stereotype from Guile and Ken. A white guy doing a bad imitation of kung fu among actual fighters seems like an idea that would work alone. But he is also a character so condensed in American modern convenience that he is morbidly obese and his thoughts are completely detached to reality. Contrast this to Dhaslim, one of the rivals he has in game. The ridiculously long win quotes...the fact that one of his attacks is called Jesus kick.. In my opinion, Rufus is actually one of the better new characters from a creative standpoint.


It's a step up from heart boobs. I would also argue he's above antihero edgelord Angelina Jolie and Jolyne Kujo with every psycho anime girl cliche attached.
Americans are fat and stupid... incredible unique concept. Rufus isn't the stupidest worst character now.
 

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The ass pull that people have to go through to defend Rufus as a creative design always amuses me.
 

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Rufus is supposed to the the character that makes the rest look good in comparison, like Birdie in SFV.

I gotta say, SEAM and CEO have the best trophies out of all the tournaments.
 

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Rufus is supposed to the the character that makes the rest look good in comparison, like Birdie in SFV.

I gotta say, SEAM and CEO have the best trophies out of all the tournaments.
But why do we need a character like that? Feels like a waste of a character when they cost so much to make.
 

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It's a step up from heart boobs. I would also argue he's above antihero edgelord Angelina Jolie and Jolyne Kujo with every psycho anime girl cliche attached.

the annoying american midwest stereotype character , who we found out replaced a cool martial arts black guy named " KING KOBRA" the most WU TANG shit ever. Is better than a cool character based on black widow, and a coo character based on jolyne kujo? You are crazy
 

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Yeah it seems like SFV is being very smart at removing extraneous parts of the combat system to remove frustration and become a more focused system for lack of better words. If it doesn't work well enough or have a purpose, they've decided to gut it. Similarly, getting rid of hard knock downs has done so much good for the pace and general engagement of players that it really is difficult now to watch hard knock down set ups dominate SFIV (even if we're talking Ultra). That might just be the best change moving forward with how much it does for the neutral and general dynamism of the combat.

unless you played lots of SFIV, then IDK shit sux

The way the combat system is working in SFV especially regarding no hard knockdowns kinda reminds me of Darkstalkers in a certain capacity. VSav was very lax regarding knockdowns (they existed but were rare with most of them being techable) and that contributed a lot to its perception as a brisk game.

the annoying american midwest stereotype character , who we found out replaced a cool martial arts black guy named " KING KOBRA" the most WU TANG shit ever. Is better than a cool character based on black widow, and a coo character based on jolyne kujo? You are crazy

Juri would have been better with that short hair design or the Fa Mulan design free. Viper's cool though. Rufus is just meh and moreso because his original concepts are all amazing.
 

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"No you see, being bad makes him good! you're not supposed to like him!"

The ass pull that people have to go through to defend Rufus as a creative design always amuses me.

Americans are fat and stupid... incredible unique concept. Rufus isn't the stupidest worst character now.

Do you guys have something actual substantial to say or are you just going to shitpost?

We can go back to talking about Chun Li's boobs in SFV if it's too hard to talk about stuff like this.
 

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Cross Post from other thread.

I don't know why we should praise someone whenever they made a fake leak lists? I know you thought that the leak was well thought but I thought it was just terrible for few reasons.

# 1: Full list leaks usually don't have any dates for their announcements. Take a look at Lupinko's leaks, Smash 4's leaks, etc.

#2: Ken Bogard already leaked three out of four characters' names. However it might be subject to change anytime.

3. Ken Bogard already emphasized that we are more likely to have 16 characters once again.
 

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I hope that's not the true list. I'm gonna be sad if there's no R. Mika. Akira would be dope though.

 

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Don't kill the Urien dream brah... But yah list seems highly suspect.

For some reason, I'm pretty confident that Urien, Alex and Juri are going to be in Street Fighter 5. I could be wrong tho.

I hope that's not the true list. I'm gonna be sad if there's no R. Mika.


Did Ken Bogard said that first leaked list was fake because of Rainbow Mika being there?
 

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the annoying american midwest stereotype character , who we found out replaced a cool martial arts black guy named " KING KOBRA" the most WU TANG shit ever. Is better than a cool character based on black widow, and a coo character based on jolyne kujo? You are crazy

Traditional Street Fighter characters aren't meant to be cool. Theyre supposed to be personalities.

When you design cool characters you end up with 3s and it sinks like a ship.

I guess I should have been more specific. Rufus fits more in line with SF2 design philosophy that introduced characters like Blanka and Zangief. What you guys want are anime characters and a storyline. Not much different than the NRS guys
 

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I don't want to get into a huge debate over Rufus again. I don't think any part of the design was designed well. Not the clothing, facial hair, physique, any of it. It's not aesthetically pleasing especially compared to what we could have gotten from his earlier concepts. No, making him skinny does not change anything, ugly character art is ugly character art. It seems SNK are the only ones capable of making a heavy character that doesn't look like a middle school doodle.

If people like his design that's fine, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I don't wanf to be accused of not "understanding the thought process" behind the design. I dig that he was the bumbling overweight martial artist but just because I like the idea doesn't mean I like the design it's ultimately attached to.

It's like Birdy. They took what was already a unique looking character from the street fighter universe and decided to make him overweight with his belly hanging out because reasons and to twist the knife he scratches his ass in idle, lol get it guys it's funny. I'll take all that over a nasty yellow happy trail though.
 

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Traditional Street Fighter characters aren't meant to be cool. There supposed to be personalities.

When you design cool characters you end up with 3s and it sinks like a ship.

One, cool is relative, also what you are saying bull.

because



the man is introduced murdering the bad guy, has the black, blue, red and purple color scheme. Refers to himself as a demon, and has a move so cool. You can't see it.

And not to mention the plethora of cool guy characters introduced, ninjas, wrestlers, and a myriad of other things.

Hell cody Travers is in this game, the man who murdered someone, went to jail. And breaks out of jail, because he want slap peoples slap shit. Dude is so strong he can cause whirlwinds with uppercuts and enjoys fighting monsters.

Also you talk about anime characters and story, when street fighter is NOTHING BUT ANIME. Maybe fgc gaf has climbed to far up its own butt, but street fighter is a Japanese series, heavily inspired by anime and martial arts imagery. Featuring School girls, evil/Violent/shin forms, ninja's who are also school girls. A long dumb story that's dumb because they didn't expect to have to make that much of it and a bunch of other stuff.