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[Arkage]

40 hour incomplete game for 60$...... just saying you could buy 3 20$ games with over 100 hours worth of playtime in each. My only gripe here is full price on an incomplete product, I just can't do that.

A 40 hour game for 60 bucks is somehow a rip off? What a bizarro universe you live in. You would've never survived the NES/SNES/Genesis era. Also many reviews are saying it feels like a complete story arc due to how they reshaped it. Its length really isn't a valid complaint.

 

[Hideous Snake]

A 40 hour game for 60 bucks is somehow a rip off? What a bizarro universe you live in. You would've never survived the NES/SNES/Genesis era. Also many reviews are saying it feels like a complete story arc due to how they reshaped it. Its length really isn't a valid complaint.

I am not saying I agree with him but please don't justify this shit new practice. Having an episodic game where you have to wait months to just complete it all isn't very appealing

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

25 hours if you just do main story and power through.

30 hours if you do some side content.

40-45 hours if you do everything.

Thats perfect. So hyped

 

[Manji Uzuki]

40 hour incomplete game for 60$...... just saying you could buy 3 20$ games with over 100 hours worth of playtime in each. My only gripe here is full price on an incomplete product, I just can't do that.

In the other hand there are many other games which last a lot less and also leave their stories open for next chapters. I don't know, things like Mass Effect or God of War did the same by splitting the story in trilogies. The only difference I see is that we didn't knew the full story beforehand.

Would agree with you if they just limited to repeat the same stuff as Midgar was on the original FFVII but seems that there is a lot more content and that they are going to re-interpret parts of the story so the game feels more complete with a proper ending (assuming here, haven't played yet, but it's what reviews are saying)

 

[Ixion]

Excluding the FF14 expansion from a few years ago, this is the best reviewed Final Fantasy since FF12, which was 14 years ago and the last really good one. A promising sign.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

is there a way we can shame everyone who is still "pointing out" the fact that we knew 5 years ago that this would be an episodic game?

like im sorry in the 5 years since we learned this you have been unable to deal with it. i truly am.

maybe you should deal with it? this shit is OLD NEWS.

 

[Hideous Snake]

The most important question is: Is it a one time $60 or am I going to pay $60 for each episode?

SE didn't make this point clear

 

[Fuz]

The most important question is: Is it a one time $60 or am I going to pay $60 for each episode?

This is not even a question. They'll all be "separate games" and they'll all be $60.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

are you going to bitch about this every day for the rest of your life?

like we learned it was episode 5 years ago.

IT IS OLD NEWS

get the fuck over it

 

[Arkage]

I am not saying I agree with him but please don't justify this shit new practice. Having an episodic game where you have to wait months to just complete it all isn't very appealing

You don't have to wait months to complete it. I don't even know what you mean by that. If you're talking about the entire FF7 arc, it will be years.

And I'm absolutely fine with episodes if it means AAA graphics and expanded story/plot, which is exactly what we got. Let's not pretend they're only giving us a 1/3rd of the original with just a visual facelift. And again many reviews say the expanded content make it feel like a complete story arc. Time to move on.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

HEY GUYS WHEN IS THE FUUUUL GAME COMING AM I RIGHT LOOOL? IS IT GOING TO BE SDIXYT DOLLAHARRS???DUUUUUH

 

[Hideous Snake]

This is not even a question. They'll all be "separate games" and they'll all be $60.

They can go fuck themselves then and they can also take with them whoever is fine with this fuckery

You don't have to wait months to complete it. I don't even know what you mean by that. If you're talking about the entire FF7 arc, it will be years.

And I'm am absolutely fine with episode if it means AAA graphics and expanded story/plot, which is exactly what we got. Let's not pretend they're only giving us a 1/3rd of the original with just a facelift.

You don't know what I mean by that? Oh well then let me simplify it for it. What you're going to play on the 10th isn't the FULL game and its just a part

And it also seems that you'll pay $60 on each "new part" that will get released. Lets not pretend that this fuckery is fine

 

[Poordevil]

Coming from Switch, I didn't notice any blurry textures.

A gal who can make a face like that can't be all bad!

 

[Shrap]

They can go fuck themselves then and they can also take with them whoever is fine with this fuckery


You don't know what I mean by that? Oh well then let me simplify it for it. What you're going to play on the 10th isn't the FULL game and its just a part

And it also seems that you'll pay $60 on each "new part" that will get released. Lets not pretend that this fuckery is fine

What? This has been known for a long time. Stop trying to act shocked and appalled.

I don't like Square's title for this game though. They didn't add part 1, chapter 1 or anything like that to the title which I find deceptive.

Also "Remake" is such a braindead idea for the title. Just call it Final Fantasy VII.

 

[jaysius]

How long does it take to finish this episode?

 

[chitzy]

You'll wander round a big ass map, get vehicles and decide where to go, just like the original.

Nah, whole story is on-rails. You've already seen how they are dividing story fragments into chapters, I'm not sure why this would surprise you at this point.

 

[THEAP99]

Gonna watch reviews some reviews so I can get an in-depth look at what the pros and cons of the game are and then probably pre-order later. Definitely seems like though that it didn't live up to the hype and that we can cross this game off of our list for potential goty candidates.

 

[Mochilador]

The most important question is: Is it a one time $60 or am I going to pay $60 for each episode?

SE didn't make this point clear

If you take into consideration that Midgar is just the beginning of the story, then we may get something like this:

 

[HotPocket69]

The most important question is: Is it a one time $60 or am I going to pay $60 for each episode?

SE didn't make this point clear

You will pay 60 for each and you WILL LIKE IT

 

[GymWolf]

The most important question is: Is it a one time $60 or am I going to pay $60 for each episode?

SE didn't make this point clear

lol you already know the answer broh.

this is milking101.

 

[Fbh]

How long does it take to finish this episode?

Someone earlier in the thread said
25 for the main story
30 if you do some side stuff
40-45 if you want to do everything

You don't know what I mean by that? Oh well then let me simplify it for it. What you're going to play on the 10th isn't the FULL game and its just a part

And it also seems that you'll pay $60 on each "new part" that will get released. Lets not pretend that this fuckery is fine

What's the definition of a full game?
It's not a full story sure, but there's plenty of games that have told their stories in parts.

Based on the reviews there's obvious padding so I would have definitely preferred if they took out all of that stuff and covered more of the original story instead. But I don't think it's such an outrage for them to ask full price for 25-40 hours game (depending on how much side stuff you do) with AAA production values

 

[Hideous Snake]

What? This has been known for a long time. Stop trying to act shocked and appalled.

Lol what? I am not acting shit, you're just ignorant.

No it wasn't. Link an official statement from SE thats says that I have ti pay $60 for each episode

Go on I'll be waiting

You will pay 60 for each and you WILL LIKE IT

Nope. There's nothing that justifies me paying $60 for each episode of the SAME GAME

 

[Hideous Snake]

What's the definition of a full game?
It's not a full story sure, but there's plenty of games that have told their stories in parts.

We're going to act like we don't know whats a full game now?

Yeah sure. Did you pay full price for those "plenty of games that have told their stories in parts"?

 

[HotPocket69]

Watching the purists and hardcores get their panties in a bunch with the changes just rockets my hype even further. I was 15 or 16 during VII's zeitgeist in 1997 and that's the only time I've ever played through it. I don't remember fuckall aside from certain moments and locations, the music and skipping class to drive home and grind

Let's gooooo Friday! Preloaded and ready

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Sorry if this is a dumb question or already answered (I probably missed this already being covered)

How many parts/episodes will there be? Is it like one for each disc of the OG release?

 

[Hideous Snake]

Sorry if this is a dumb question or already answered (I probably missed this already being covered)

How many parts/episodes will there be? Is it like one for each disc of the OG release?

Its going to be three parts as far as I know

 

[Fuz]

Sorry if this is a dumb question or already answered (I probably missed this already being covered)

How many parts/episodes will there be? Is it like one for each disc of the OG release?

We don't know. People usually think of 3 parts.
I personally think there will be more IF they bother to finish it.

Its going to be three parts as far as I know

It's just speculation, Square didn't confirm nor deny anything. I don't think they know either.

 

[HotPocket69]

Sorry if this is a dumb question or already answered (I probably missed this already being covered)

How many parts/episodes will there be? Is it like one for each disc of the OG release?

Some people say they think it'll last six games (It won't. Burnout is a thing). Some people think it'll be a trilogy like XIII.

No one knows.

 

[Hinedorf]

A 40 hour game for 60 bucks is somehow a rip off? What a bizarro universe you live in. You would've never survived the NES/SNES/Genesis era. Also many reviews are saying it feels like a complete story arc due to how they reshaped it. Its length really isn't a valid complaint.

My main point of concern is how gaming trends have changed like games on kickstarter, games like Anthem, and Fallout76. It seems we as consumers are being conditioned to pay full price on products that are either 1. Incomplete on a massive scale or 2. Incomplete on a functional level.

As others have stated, who knows if we actually get this thing completed ever. This type of business model is built upon if it sells well we'll keep making the sequels. If it were to bomb, you'd never see part 2 and though it's not likely to fail that's the reality of this business model. I want to invest my time and money into complete products.

 

[caffeware]

Who's doing the OT and when is it going up

I always assumed D.Final was going to do it. But he's MIA. Someone step up.

 

[vaibhavpisal]

After 8 from ign, i expected metascore to be in 70s. Its much higher.

Also damn a 10 from gamespot.

 

[Hideous Snake]

I might take back what I said if each part of this game provided a full game content

Thats about it really. I still don't like the fact that its episodic from the beginning

 

[Spukc]

metacritic live?
i wonder if this game will get more then higher then high 7 or low 8's

i prolly will get it tomorrow or day after

still no freaking idea how the savegame will transfer

 

[Ixion]

My main point of concern is how gaming trends have changed like games on kickstarter, games like Anthem, and Fallout76. It seems we as consumers are being conditioned to pay full price on products that are either 1. Incomplete on a massive scale or 2. Incomplete on a functional level.

As others have stated, who knows if we actually get this thing completed ever. This type of business model is built upon if it sells well we'll keep making the sequels. If it were to bomb, you'd never see part 2 and though it's not likely to fail that's the reality of this business model. I want to invest my time and money into complete products.

One reassuring thing is that the team leaders on the remake have said they won't work on anything else until the remake project is 100% complete. It took a long time for all the right people to be available at the same time and so they want to get this project done while they have everyone together finally.

And obviously the subsequent installments will be done faster now that the core game is done and working, which they also mentioned.

 

[ULTROS!]

The impressions I've read is that it doesn't feel like an incomplete game, rather a fleshed out FF world.

 

[Neff]

Nah, whole story is on-rails.

They'd be crazy to take the world map away from the player. Based on my 18+ hours with the remake so far, exploration is a major part of the experience, even though Midgar still is and always was on-rails. Nothing important is missing (so far), only significantly expanded on.

There are more reasons to have an exploreable world than not.

The impressions I've read is that it doesn't feel like an incomplete game, rather a fleshed out FF world.

It feels like its own part in a series, an incredibly elaborate chapter.

 

[DragoonKain]

A few things:

I hope this game is a test run to where they can fix whatever issues they have in this for other installments, but I hope they don't do one of those things where each episode is vastly different. Like if each one has a brand new battle system, that's gonna feel just weird. But if they take out minor stuff or add stuff... for example maybe if they get feedback that the world didn't feel lively enough, develop that aspect. Or if side missions were dull, make them more immersive in the next installments.

I'm assuming you can't get to level 99 in this? Do your stats and equipment directly carry over? If not, it wouldn't feel like a "full game divided into chapters" it would feel like separate titles and really impact the overall experience for me.

Liked a lot of what I'm hearing so far, but one thing I don't like is they made summons restricted to specific battles only? That's kinda lame. I hope they lift that in future episodes, we should be able to use them as much as we want, as long as we build up whatever ATB meter that is required.

 

[Spokker]

3/5 from EGM is pretty close to my own impression based on all information we've gotten and the demo.

EGM had one of the few honest reviews.

Most game journalists loved it of course. They'll love any game that holds complete contempt for its fans and changes shit for the sake of change. "Purist" is a bad word for them.

 

[chitzy]

There are more reasons to have an exploreable world than not.

I don't disagree, but there's nothing to indicate that the game will follow the open world path as did the original. In fact, the game's story wildly deviates from the original plot right at the moment that in the original you would be getting access to the over world map. I think SE's lack of confidence in executing an open world type game was one of the deciding factors in branching off in the plot. And yes, the original Midgar was fairly linear, but not nearly as much so as in the Remake.

 

[Fbh]

We're going to act like we don't know whats a full game now?

Yeah sure. Did you pay full price for those "plenty of games that have told their stories in parts"?

I'm not acting, you'll have to tell me what makes a full game.
If the requirement is for it to tell a complete story it would mean that none of the Mass Effect, or Half Life, or Halo, etc entries are "full games".

Take Mass Effect 1
Main Story is around 20 hours, 30 if you do some sidequests, 40 if you do everything
Nice production values
Doesn't tell the whole story
$60 release
It's ok to release for $60 and no one has an issue with it

FF7 Remake Part 1
Main Story is around 20 hours, 30 if you do some sidequests, 40 if you do everything
Nice production values
Doesn't tell the whole story
$60 release
Apparently the worst cashgrab in gaming history..

I'd get the anger if it was a 1:1 remake and we just got the same 5 hours long Midgar segment with nicer visuals and that's it. But it's not, for better or worse they've decided to take the original story as a core and expand it into multiple full releases.
I'm not defending their choice and personally I would have a preferred a simpler less expanded remake that covered everything in one game. But that's not what this is and even though I don't like the direction I don't particularly mind the price. I'll wait for a price drop anyway though

 

[Danjin44]

There are NO games without faults. NONE. Even legendary games like Super Mario Bros. have their little issues. No game is a 10/10.

10/10 is a marketing gimmik to put on the box. That's all.

I said this 100 times, 10/10 doesn't mean it's flawless, it just mean that person enjoyed the game enough to give that score. Is it that hard to understand this simple concept?

 

[off duty ninja]

There are NO games without faults. NONE. Even legendary games like Super Mario Bros. have their little issues. No game is a 10/10.

10/10 is a marketing gimmik to put on the box. That's all.

Birdo's Jesus review: 9/10

"Jesus was great and all but nobody's perfect."

God:

 

[Enjay]

The most important question is: Is it a one time $60 or am I going to pay $60 for each episode?

SE didn't make this point clear

Episode one alone launched with a $300 collector's edition. You can count on each episode being full priced at launch at least in order to take advantage of the impatient market.

 

[Gormless Noodle]

I don't disagree, but there's nothing to indicate that the game will follow the open world path as did the original. In fact, the game's story wildly deviates from the original plot right at the moment that in the original you would be getting access to the over world map. I think SE's lack of confidence in executing an open world type game was one of the deciding factors in branching off in the plot. And yes, the original Midgar was fairly linear, but not nearly as much so as in the Remake.

Might not be a lack of confidence necessarily. The graphical fidelity they reached with this installment is as high as it is exactly BECAUSE of the linearity I imagine. They might still go for it if the next ones are on PS5 though, or maybe that's exactly how they planned it.

 

[Hideous Snake]

I'm not acting, you'll have to tell me what makes a full game.
If the requirement is for it to tell a complete story it would mean that none of the Mass Effect, or Half Life, or Halo, etc entries are "full games".

Take Mass Effect 1
Main Story is around 20 hours, 30 if you do some sidequests, 40 if you do everything
Nice production values
Doesn't tell the whole story
$60 release
It's ok to release for $60 and no one has an issue with it

FF7 Remake Part 1
Main Story is around 20 hours, 30 if you do some sidequests, 40 if you everything
Nice production values
Doesn't tell the whole story
$60 release
Apparently the worst cashgrab in gaming history..

I'd get the anger if it was a 1:1 remake and we just got the same 5 hours long Midgat segment with nicer visuals and that's it. But it's not, for better or worse they've decided to take the original story as a core and expand it into multiple full releases.
I'm not defending their choice and personally I would have a preferred a simpler less expanded remake that covered everything in one game. But that's not what this is and even though I don't like the direction I don't particularly mind the price. I'll wait for a price drop anyway though

That comparison is bollocks, You can't compare a series with one game of a series. Are you out of your mind? At least use a proper comparison man!

Anyways Karak review sold me on the game but I still don't like this shitty new practise. Nothing justifies it also

 

[Birdo]

I said this 100 times, 10/10 doesn't mean it's flawless

I'm so tired of this dumb argument.

The 10 number scale is a SCALE. If something wasn't perfect, the SCALE would represent that. That's the whole point of having a 10 number scale.

If you give something the absolute high, then there is no room for improvement. Ergo, it's perfect....

 

[Rat Rage]

A 10/10 from Gamespot?

yeah sure...

Most advertising agen... I mean gaming review sites are pure shit. Most of them suck the big publishers dicks. They're like the 5 star amazon reviews. It's better to pay more attention to the lower scores.

 

[Fake]

I'm so tired of this dumb argument.

 

[Shrap]

Lol what? I am not acting shit, you're just ignorant.

No it wasn't. Link an official statement from SE thats says that I have ti pay $60 for each episode

Go on I'll be waiting

Nope. There's nothing that justifies me paying $60 for each episode of the SAME GAME

I don't think you understand the word ignorant because it perfectly describes you in the situation. The game is titled "Final Fantasy VII Remake", not "Final Fantasy VII Remake Part 1 of 3". They are selling it as a standalone game, not an "episode". Now I am not saying that's a good thing, I think it's deceitful. Plus I've nearly finished the game and I have no idea where so many years of development went.

Content wise it is above average for a single player game. However, I am annoyed, as you are, that it's a small part of a bigger story that was previously a single game.

 

[Birdo]

Pop quiz, hot shot.

If 10/10 isn't flawless...... Then what score would you give something that is flawless?