The leviathan stuff was a target render.
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Final Fantasy XV tech demo presentation by Tabata (Demo gameplay details added)
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The leviathan stuff was a target render.
I hope so.
I mean if the blocking was simply damage reduction or limited by stamina(like Souls for instance) I would be less worried.
by total invincibility with no limits?? I don't know about that.
They've been changing the battle system for a while now, and I believe this is likely still not final. That has more to do with whatever else rather than the the basics, which are probably staying the same now. I don't see that changing. The hold to attack and defend have been there for a little while at least.
Crossing Eden
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Yea, for Japan it definitely looks good and is definitely one of the few japanese titles that seems to be taking advantage of the hardware. Thankfully.
Relaxed Muscle
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The leviathan stuff was clearly using the gameplay models of the last year E3, with the difference we couldn't clearly see them as close as in the gameplay video.
The point being is that a lot of these assets were dropped.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
They're definitely getting closer btw, impressing stuff their current tech - characters look even better now than there. Will KH3 run on the same engine?
I don't want anything like spheregrid or other systems in the series.
I want something new for the game but still super fancy.
Regular number increases won't cut it in FF
Ah, I get you.
Well, it'll likely be awhile before we know, but hopefully it's a fun system.
Crossing Eden
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Wait so the leviathan gameplay was a gameplay concept video and not actual gameplay?
SaintGalgo
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Huh...? I'm confused. From the translations that I read I assumed that "holding button to keep attacking" worked like in Lightning Returns or Type-0 (...or most FF games) and that's what it looks like in the demo. What would be wrong with that?
Relaxed Muscle
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If we go by the current trailer, not even close.
If we go by the current tech demostration, maybe.
But I feel that this tech demo was running on PC.
And yes, KH3 will use Luminous.
EmptySpace
Banned
wait, you can store combos and execute them? kinda like binding commands to a single key?
i don't think that's how it works. at least in fftype0, i think it just meant rapid-fire turbo the attack button.
and even if you cab store combos, that stills would be suicidal given that not all enemies and circumstances are the same.
i guess it is kinda a misinterpretation.
auto attack doesn't mean ai-controlled.
had i known fftype0 had auto attack (or rapid fire turbo attack) then i probably wouldn't have stopped playing it. it really was too button-mashy.
How long?
I am wondering if this is something that they decided after Nomura left and Tabata took over as sole director.
This song captures the journey of a party through the lands, its just so perfect ; ;
Glad that yoko is creating less darker sound .
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Didn't they say that the DEMO will even look better than this?
Nearly all of this trailer is target render (and CGI obviously): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3xKbPooKAo
Relaxed Muscle
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Yeah, but I'm thinking more along the lines of resolution and AA. The tech demo looked much better in those aspects than the trailer.
EmptySpace
Banned
isn't there a roll and an evade?
i think the evade lets you counter attack but you can only evade a single enemy at any given time, and roll doesn't let you counter but lets you get out of the way of multiple attacks.
and i think you can't do evade on big monsters either.
I wouldn't know specifically, but at least a little while.
I don't understand why it's only been said as hold to attack or defend. Either there is a change again, or they've yet to clarify further. You can press attack to attack, and you hold to string together the attacks. You can't button mash. They also haven't mentioned anything about the weapon switch mechanic, which is also from a while ago, and helped give the attacks variety.
I have some notes about it from a while back, and most of it seems similar to what's here. They've done a terrible job of explaining things though.
I also don't understand where people know of hold to attack or defend from. The stream in OP has no translation, and the summary in the OP doesn't mention this. Where has this been mentioned?
so changing the battle system won't hamper the game further I hope ?
Now that Nomura is officially off and Tabata is fully in charge the game should have its backbone ready at this point.
I guess demo feedback will play an important role ,but I hope the change we saw this year will be the last drastic one.
Kssio_Aug
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They said, if we can really trust on that interview and translation:
- The demo is 70-80% complete. March's version will be better
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=130887002&postcount=67
Also, on the trailer it says: "The following is a sneak peek of a work in progress. We aim to deliver even more with the final product."
However, I believe they were stating about the trailer. Not the Tech-Demo. By both videos the Tech-Demo is certainly very faithul compared to the trailer of the actual demo, but I guess that there may be more image treatement such as AA or something.
Posted it yesterday in this Thread, it's Amazing every peace of music used in the FF13V/FF15 Trailer are amazing.
Yoko Shimomura is doing a great Job. Bothing else to expect from the composer of the KH and Xenoblade Soundtrack.
Tabata mentions it in the gameplay demo.
It looks nothing like AC to any extent whatsoever.
I do not know tbh.
so you know more about the battle system ? Is it solid from what you've seen ? i.e do people have a reason to freak out ?
Can I have link to a translation or what he says exactly? OP's summary doesn't mention this.
Edit:
I don't think people have reason to freak out. I'm going to load up the notes and just dump them here in a moment. Please don't take as gospel as this was a barebones thing. You'll get a feel of things from it though.
Crossing Eden
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Oh wow, kinda begs the question about how long the game has been in full production.
D
Deleted member 17706
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Holy shit if the final game comes out looking like that.
The more I learn about this game, the less interested I become as I think it may not bet the amazing FF game it could have been.
I don't really like how the system runs from both of your comments. I will wait to see how the system is, but I was really hoping for a system like KH to be implemented, especially KH2FM since the original team is working on it.
If it is like you say it is, can you stop mid, let's say, attack 3, then reset the attack pattern?
Agreed. It is quite removed by all my metrics of comparison.
Relaxed Muscle
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I think in begs the question about how much shit have been dropped to the development hell the game have been in all these years.
yeah.
but I mean its quite similar to what we have now.So maybe it was more important during production than we think it was.
Its safe to say this isn't pointless footage like that of FFXIII's back then.
Where have you been so long?
What do you think of everything that's been shown? Have you known about this beforehand? Is a worldwide release in '15 realistic?
D
Deleted member 17706
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Interesting. Listening to the commentary, and the guy is saying that at E3, the gameplay demo was running on a development environment called "Ebony," but they have now merged that with Luminous to create the current engine.
Thanks.
-Pyromaniac-
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I'm buying 4 million copies myself.
EmptySpace
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i didn't know type0 had auto attack, so i was button mashing attack. but from that, your attack resets to the "first attack" if you can't keep the combo going.
then again i think the goal was to get to "attack 3". i don't know of the final attack of the combo did more damage, though. never really noticed it.
besides, there was magic so there's that.
Relaxed Muscle
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How we do know? The plaza is more or less the same as last year E3. All the interiors and all the action that takes place in the sky with the big setpieces is a big question mark right now.
Kssio_Aug
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Its safer to believe on the trailer of the actual demo, not on the tech-demo itself. What is still not bad at all, and very similar imo! Also, they said they intend to make the final version of the demo to look at about 20~30% better, so...
People are worried attacks will only be automated.
It's going to play like Type-0 on the most basic level. They're calling it an action-RPG, they're talking about combos between party members. I'm not worried about that, myself.
NoctisVsStar
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Kssio_Aug
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I will get Type-0 digital for the Xbox One. And if I enjoy the demo IQ and peformance on the console I may get both Xbox One and PS4 versions of the full game. I have never done this before, but this game is by far the one I'm excpecting the most.
Its incredible because I bought my PS3 back in 2006 just for this game! After 8 years my hype was destroyed, but now, after this last trailer and tech demo and the last infos, its completely renewed!
thanks for that, and if you dont mind me asking, do you know anything about summons, magic, and party member control
Kssio_Aug
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I understand both concerns, but I would not worry about the combat mechanics. Its clear now that they are, for long, improving every single aspect of this game, and in terms of combat Final Fantasy mainline never disappointed. So I guess they're studying a really good combat mechainc for this one aswell. It may not be just like Kingdom Hearts (that was their first plan) but meybe it will be even better and unique. Thats my opinion though... based on the franchise history the combat mechanics are not worring me (specially because they look pretty good on the videos).
Given what we have seen so far I wouldn't be shocked if the XB1 version runs at 720p. The TGS trailer isn't full HD either, mind.
If you have some control like you mentioned then that would be good. Closer to what I was expecting.
Your quote made me realize that I worded something in a very dumb way that I went ahead and fixed, lol.
You know, I am not so sure this is the case. I think that the game is being rushed in its current state. This is all a guess though.
Again, please don't take as gospel. These are the some of the notes.
Control scheme on the above demo:
R2 = Teleport
L2 = Fire
L1 = Weapon Switch Mechanic
Circle = Attack
X = Defend
L3 = Movement
R3 = Camera
This should give you a decent idea of how the demo in the notes was played.
Some points of difference from above and what they've shown here in the stream demo:
1. No magic targeting indicator anymore from the looks of it. Has this been replaced by automatic lock-on, or is it not present because they're changing how it looks or something? I don't know.
2. There is some form of UI in what they showed now, which wasn't there before. I believe this is not command based due to how the battle system is. One row for each member likely which tells you current actions. You could probably access item or summons off this by pressing back or forward. Again, I don't know this for fact.
3. Further note on the magic. In the demo in the notes, you press L2 to cast. No other button. I imagine in the final game, this will be like Kingdom Hearts instead so you have access to other magic. It wouldn't make much sense otherwise. Again, pure speculation.
The following is all speculation of what I thought it could possibly be like based of the hands-on (and added a little note now based on new UI):
Other characters would have their own unique ability or play style. For example, for Prompto, shooting is auto-lock on target. You press R2 quickly to change target, or keep it pressed to take manual aim. He could possibly use the switching mechanic also but change to different types of guns. You would still press Circle once for a quick shot, or keep it pressed for continuous shots and then use the switching mechanic to change up your attacks.
Maybe Ignis or Gladiolus receive some other type of ability for R2.
If you access the Item or Summon menu, you have to cancel out of the Item/Summon menu before you can start attacking again, since you're using the same button for enter.
For customisation, I'm hoping for some form of AI settings. You should be able to set them to offensive or defensive, and also give them some form of priority on magic attacks in battle situations. This way, you can balance your party with more defensive and offensive members. In addition to this, you should have some separate customisation for their magic and abilities, so if you take control of them manually, you'll have access to what you set.
This is the battle system I've kind of envisioned in mind for a while now, but chances are I'm completely wrong. It's a lot of speculation based on a barebones experience.
One other thing I hoped for was that we'd be able to activate battle mode manually. If battle mode is activated via threat maybe, then it doesn't need to activate automatically if it's just peaceful animals or beasts. This gives some balance in not every monster being a threat. Some may only become one because you start a fight. You can then explore some places a bit more peacefully and just look, like Jurassic Park. However, if you're a dick, you could press L1 or something to activate the battle menu and start killing the peaceful animals also. The way to control this would be that the battle menu can only be activated when you're in the presence of animals/beasts that can be attacked or are fight compatible. I would really like something like this.
Battle System Notes said:
Control scheme on the above demo:
R2 = Teleport
L2 = Fire
L1 = Weapon Switch Mechanic
Circle = Attack
X = Defend
L3 = Movement
R3 = Camera
This should give you a decent idea of how the demo in the notes was played.
Some points of difference from above and what they've shown here in the stream demo:
1. No magic targeting indicator anymore from the looks of it. Has this been replaced by automatic lock-on, or is it not present because they're changing how it looks or something? I don't know.
2. There is some form of UI in what they showed now, which wasn't there before. I believe this is not command based due to how the battle system is. One row for each member likely which tells you current actions. You could probably access item or summons off this by pressing back or forward. Again, I don't know this for fact.
3. Further note on the magic. In the demo in the notes, you press L2 to cast. No other button. I imagine in the final game, this will be like Kingdom Hearts instead so you have access to other magic. It wouldn't make much sense otherwise. Again, pure speculation.
The following is all speculation of what I thought it could possibly be like based of the hands-on (and added a little note now based on new UI):
The above control scheme is what I kind of imagined. Noctis uses teleport, switching mechanic, magic and attack to chain attacks.
Other characters would have their own unique ability or play style. For example, for Prompto, shooting is auto-lock on target. You press R2 quickly to change target, or keep it pressed to take manual aim. He could possibly use the switching mechanic also but change to different types of guns. You would still press Circle once for a quick shot, or keep it pressed for continuous shots and then use the switching mechanic to change up your attacks.
Maybe Ignis or Gladiolus receive some other type of ability for R2.
If you access the Item or Summon menu, you have to cancel out of the Item/Summon menu before you can start attacking again, since you're using the same button for enter.
For customisation, I'm hoping for some form of AI settings. You should be able to set them to offensive or defensive, and also give them some form of priority on magic attacks in battle situations. This way, you can balance your party with more defensive and offensive members. In addition to this, you should have some separate customisation for their magic and abilities, so if you take control of them manually, you'll have access to what you set.
This is the battle system I've kind of envisioned in mind for a while now, but chances are I'm completely wrong. It's a lot of speculation based on a barebones experience.
One other thing I hoped for was that we'd be able to activate battle mode manually. If battle mode is activated via threat maybe, then it doesn't need to activate automatically if it's just peaceful animals or beasts. This gives some balance in not every monster being a threat. Some may only become one because you start a fight. You can then explore some places a bit more peacefully and just look, like Jurassic Park. However, if you're a dick, you could press L1 or something to activate the battle menu and start killing the peaceful animals also. The way to control this would be that the battle menu can only be activated when you're in the presence of animals/beasts that can be attacked or are fight compatible. I would really like something like this.
Kssio_Aug
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Yeah, somehow I'm expecting something like 720p for the Xbox One and 900p for the PS4. So I would have to see this running in front of me to have an good idea of the actual quality of the image on my TV. If the PS4 versions becomes much better then I will get just that one.
What's on my mind right now is if you can still manually switch weapons yourself like last years trailer lead us to believe or if its all auto as well. Like with that finishing attack by Ignis and Noctis, do we have to switch to Ignis' knife to help trigger it or does it all happen automatically.
I just wanna know how much control we really have over things.
Edit: thanks for the notes Verendus!
I just wanna know how much control we really have over things.
Edit: thanks for the notes Verendus!