FreedomFighter
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Nah, man. Shadow Dragon is FE1 and the "Fe12" you're referring to is just what you said it was, FE3. Since when we start counting the same game twice?
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Fire Emblem Awakening could've been the last Fire Emblem game if it sold under 250K
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Nah, man. Shadow Dragon is FE1 and the "Fe12" you're referring to is just what you said it was, FE3. Since when we start counting the same game twice?
I'm not sure why, but I really believe it isn't as dead as we think, F-ZERO on the other hand...
I think the limited XP is gone as I expect all Fire Emblems to have postgame dlc from now on.
Pairing I'm not sure, I think it's in just because its supports the shipping element of Fire Emblem that is pretty strong in FE 4 (the most popular Fire Emblem in Japan) and Awakening.
Because they're substantially different and it's common nomenclature? I don't recall casual mode/class switching and my unit being in FE3. And hell if we're using what IS calls the Fire Emblem's Awakening would be FE14.
I really want a new Advance Wars
I think this situation has already come and gone for Advance Wars, unfortunately. At least it went out on an awesome note with Days of Ruin.
Still, this update is kind of depressing. Awakening is my first FE game and I'm having a ton of fun with it, so to hear that it was almost the last entry got me down.
I just thought it odd, felt like fights were too guaranteed. And it isn't if FE is afraid of randomness....
The developers treat Shadow Dragon and New Mystery as FE11 and FE12, respectively. Or at least not FE1 and FE3 twice.
they must find the franchises pretty similar so they expose fans of both to each other to help them both grow. atlus just got done creating SMT IV so they've already got a good backbone to build the game off of. i don't think it's going to be the next big thing but it sounds like an ok deal for both parties
FreedomFighter
Member
If that's true, they're just being idiots because that makes no sense.
Since when does remakes count as brand new installments? If that's the case, DQVIIr on 3DS is actually... DQXIX?
See above.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Yeah, I loved the game to.
I think they count them as 12/13 and they include the Satelleview games as 4; and Seisen no Keifu as 5. The fandom considers them 11/12.
FreedomFighter
Member
Nothing is guaranteed in FE. That's why we have a casual mode now.
dakkumauji
Member
Then how do you go from FE9 (Path of Radiance) to FE12 (what you call Radiant Dawn)?
Do FE10 and FE11 suddenly not exist?
Neon_Icarus
Member
PoR was for Gamecube. And the platform was all but dead when PoR was released in 2005, especially in Japan
RD's low sales were probably due to lack of advertising in the US (compared to FE7 and PoR, which got TV ads) and in Japan due to Wii's small userbase at the time of it's release (February 2007).Most of the Wii owners then were probably Wii Sports- loving casuals and systems were hard to find.
Furthermore, both games lack in presentation compared to Awakening. Not to mention RD has a famously punishing difficulty curve.
Why you do this Ferrio? I burst into tears on a regular basis every time I remember Suikoden is dead.
Just remember IV, and it'll cushion the blow.
RD being a direct sequel to PoR also didn't help, plus the fact that the GBA/DS/3DS are just stronger systems than the GD/WII.
I've read this too, but I can't find the link to the article. I don't think I'll ever get used to that numbering though.
FreedomFighter
Member
Shadow Dragon
Gaiden
Mystery of the Emblem
Genealogy of Holy War
Thracia 776
Sword of Seals
Blazing Sword
Sacred Stones
Path of Radiance
Radiant Dawn
Awakening
My bad, brain cramp there. I had to list them again. Guess I subconsciously bought into the nonsensical number system that includes the remakes as new installments.
dakkumauji
Member
I remember questioning this in the Iwata Ask's when they mentioned Awakening was their 14th title.
Even though, they list Awakening as their 13th title on their website I believe.
Cow Mengde
Banned
Yikes. But now we have a new worry. I really don't like the direction on some of the stuff they did with Awakening. I hope its success doesn't mean they'll continue on the more fan service-y route.
If the titles are tremendously different from the past incarnations (where both Shadow Dragon and New Mystery added a lot of new gameplay changes and story content where it's not totally identical), then they felt justified in calling them 11 and 12. There's no real bright-line rule in how to treat remakes in a numerical franchise.
I won't say that if the game had tanked in Japan the game wouldn't have been localized, but it is noteworthy that Intelligent Systems outright said in 8-4's interview earlier this year that they had always planned on localizing the game since the very beginning of the game's development.
I'm aware that Intelligent Systems has said this about the numbering as well (some website URLs on Fire Emblem World refer to Awakening as FE14, even), but it's really messy that it doesn't seem to be very consistent anyway.
FreedomFighter
Member
I know, I just played Path of Radiance on my Wii, so... yeah, I just associate it with Wii. I think you're right though, those all seem like plausible reasons for neither to break 200k sales.
Vinegar Joe
Member
Playing though this now here in PAL land and loving it. Tried a few FE games before but always hit a wall because I hate perma death and lose patience restarting when someone dies at the end of a mission. So the hard/no perma death options make me a happy camper. Call me whatever you like, fact is that catering for people like me has made me an FE fan and got them more sales.
That said, when my brother bought it he said it was the last copy in the shop and they only had 8 to begin with. Not a good sign for PAL sales I guess.
That said, when my brother bought it he said it was the last copy in the shop and they only had 8 to begin with. Not a good sign for PAL sales I guess.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Yeah it's nearly impossible to find at retail in UK. Don't know whether it's a positive or negative testament to its popularity (i.e. it's sold out because it's awesome, or not being stocked because nobody wants it).
fatgamecat
Member
So that pretty much confirms every FE from now on is going to be full of fanservice, stereotypical anime tropes, highly imbalanced sandbox gameplay, and bland/repetitive map design?
FE12 was the last great Fire Emblem from a gameplay/design perspective, apparently.
FE12 was the last great Fire Emblem from a gameplay/design perspective, apparently.
FreedomFighter
Member
At least wiki backs me up on this though, separating those two out of the main series for redundancy's sake, fwiw. :/
That and none of the Fire Emblems are actually numbered in the games; it's all fandom made nomenclature.
Neon_Icarus
Member
True. I just hope the low sales of the Tellius games doesn't make Intelligent Systems refrain from making another big home console game.
I guess it'll depend on the success of FExSMT.
I honestly think handheld is where Fire Emblem should be now, especially with how strong the 3ds is performing in Japan.
Who knows, hardcore fans DESPISED 6 when it first came out but were happier with the Tellius games. I do think the fanservvice and sterotypical anime tropes are going to remain as they were in every fire emblem (hi Tellius Catgirls).
Positive since it exceeded retailers'/Nintendo's expectations.
FreedomFighter
Member
That's why they should make the next console iteration a direct sequel to FE:A. I haven't beaten FE:A yet so I don't know if there are any loose ends to tie up storywise, but that shouldn't be a problem anyways. Just build off of FE:A's success and I think it'll do quite well.
I think Japan's move away from home consoles, the strength of the 3DS and mobile platforms, the cost and complexity of HD development makes this rather unlikely.
A move to HD consoles wouldn't be worth the resources needed to make it.
No one knows yet, but this will probably be the first one to break the million mark.
I don't think it would be a good idea to do so. Awakening success wasn't because of the story, its success is due to the 3DS itself/its productions values/and the shipping. Most fans think the game's story is banal (I think its banal but I think all Fire Emblem stories are banal as well).
I have no problems with either point.
I feel like one of the questions people ask the most is "why can't I marry other people?" Everyone wants polygomy.
But it's supposed to be a simple series! Reasonable number values, straightforward calculations, and everything spelled out before you engage.
... So if they made this game with the anxiety that this may be the last and they really threw everything they had at it, is it going to have a sequel? Not like another Fire Emblem, but another game set in Ylisse or such. Wonder how they're going to handle pairings. This seems like something they try to be ambiguous on.
TwEE-N-Toast
Banned
I thought I was imagining things with the overly anime stuff going on in that game. Compared to the older ones I mean.
RomanticHeroX
Member
I can only imagine how heartbreaking it can be for the teams, but a lot of absolutely incredible games have been made from teams expecting it to be the end of the series and trying to do it justice. Makes me think of Phantasy Star 4. I'm glad in this case all the extra care translated into sales, though, and they can keep going.
Cow Mengde
Banned
My worst nightmare...