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[LordKasual]

If that culling technique is an automatic process, the boost that can be achieved in both frame rate and level of detail is surreal. And it still doesn't explain the Hellblade 2 demo, because there isn't any occlusion going on there and it still looks like there are no visible LOD swaps even in the distance. DirectML is basically making almost the full power of the GPU available for what you can actually see. Now there are some downsides to this, lighting being the obvious thing. If your lightsource is occluded it should still cast a light onto the visible area. And if that dragon had a shadow it should show everything and not just the front. But I suppose that's easy enough to implement, just taking the direction of lights into consideration when culling geometry.

This is what Sony was referring to when they mentioned "Geometry Engine", both the RDNA2 chips can do this out of the box apparently.

The way Cerny mentioned it, he made it sound like the block on the PS5 for this feature was customized and enhanced, which could mean really nice gains if true.

I've also seen that one way this feature can be used is by occluding internal details of a model if pieces of that model itself are not visible. An example would be a high-detail rendering of a desktop computer, or a car engine, with its internals fully modeled, but never rendered/visible due to the hull.


I really, REALLY want to see this tech utulized in a next-gen tech demo of Metal Gear Rising..........................but i feel like this allows geometry in general to be much more robust, and opens up things like better destruction.

 

[Fun Fanboy]

It’s amazing in 2013 Sony fanboys cared about Tflops and resolution, but in 2020 neither matter.

lol

They'll care again once the PS5 Pro comes out.

 

[Ascend]

You can play every upcoming xbox games on PC

It is known

Pointing out game like assasins creed witcher call of duty can be played on box are meaningless argument

Those game are multiplat

I have made my decision that PC covers all i need from Xbox, nothing gona change that

I'm not trying to convince you to get an Xbox. I was simply explaining why the Xbox is a viable alternative to many people.

 

[Mendou]

Moot. I don't buy game systems solely based on what is out at launch, I buy based on knowing that great games will clearly exist down the line. Knowing a Assassins Creed will launch with it is good enough for me tbh. Anything else is a cherry on top.

I don't even know why you asked such a question knowing the launch titles haven't been confirmed outside of Godfall. I got PS4 at launch cause I played The Last Of Us 1 on PS3 and its one of the greatest games of all time....

Sooooo PS4 having stuff like BF4, ACIV or even Knack at launch isn't something I see as anything to keep me from buying a PS4 knowing The Last Of Us 2 is very much a likelihood. By that logic, no one should buy any system around launch.

Isn't MS also NOT DOING Series X exclusives? As in...isn't Halo Infinite a XONE game being ported to PC and Series X?

So if Sony ports Ghost Of Tsushima can we also say "we know about Ghost Of Tsushima which IS a reason for many PS fans"? smh

So Halo fans could have also played Halo Infinite on XONE and PC.....they could have bought it on XONE and just played it on Series X....JUST like someone can buy Ghost and play it on PS5.....

Based on what MS is even doing, I don't know if I'd go as far as even calling those games Series X games, they are not anymore "Series X" games then The Last Of Us 1 is a PS4 game then. So to worry about PS fans is strange considering MS isn't evne making next gen games at all for several years, they are just making XONE games and porting them. So I'd rather get a PS5 where Sony will actually be making games ONLY FOR PS5 to max it out, vs here is a series of ports for a few years.

People need to understand where Microsoft is coming from. The install base of the Xbox One is under 50 million; that means they'll make less profit on each game than PlayStation. If they need to keep funding these AAA games, they'll need to be profitable first by porting games to PC without completely releasing the games on Sony's platform.

For the record, not many Xbox fans believe they'll outsell the PlayStation. Sony wants to grow its install base to increase profitability for its first-party games, hence why their recent consoles have always been cheaper than Xbox. I'm sure they're both good consoles.

 

[eastwood333]

They'll care again once the PS5 Pro comes out.

But what then when the XSX pro comes out?

 

[Ascend]

But what then when the XSX pro comes out?

Then we're back to whatever advantage they can find, like, 5W less power consumption or whatever.

I wouldn't be surprised if right now they start using optical out on the PS5 as a selling point.

 

[eastwood333]

The narrative according to the sony fanboys now is that weaker specs with variable clocks to boot is more impressive now. And that the PS5 is more custom apparently and clearly have ignored the DF articles about XSX. When XSX wins the majority of head to head comparisons, it will then be about devs being lazy by not utilizing the PS5 SSD to make games running on the equivelant of a 20TF box thanks to the magical alien tech in the SSD. Fun times

 

[Fun Fanboy]

But what then when the XSX pro comes out?

We will be back to now.

 

[VisualFidelity]

Ssd > gpu/CPU

 

[psorcerer]

Did Crysis not look great years 5 years after its initial release due to the work that went into scalable visuals and features?

Hilarious!
Did you even see the Cryengine code?
Fairytales everywhere.

 

[Reindeer]

Ssd > gpu/CPU

It's not even about that, it's about how CPU and GPU were the most important parts of a console before the reveal, afterwards SSD became the most important. At least if you are a fanboy be one with consistent opinion.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

So much dick-measuring going around this forum.

 

[Forsete]

We will see who gets the last laugh.

PS5 - Glorious locked 29,97 fps @ 1080p unlimited open worlds.
Xbox X - 120 fps 8K with stuttering with small game worlds due to slow SSD needing to buffer.

I know what I'd choose. I hate stuttering.

 

[Windows-PC]

Ssd > gpu/CPU

 

[Imtjnotu]

It's 2013 in the upside down all over again

 

[hussar16]

I don't think 4K really matters. Xbox one playing at 720P that's troublesome.

it kinda does, 4k is media standard now. that it might play at sub 4k resolution is really a joke

 

[Maxwell House]

Yall are at least going to these random Dev's LinkedIn pages right? Pretty obvious this guys doesnt know anything.

Guy seems pretty legit to me with very real developer contacts. What exactly about his linked in page are you talking about?

 

[Maxwell House]

We will see who gets the last laugh.

PS5 - Glorious locked 29,97 fps @ 1080p unlimited open worlds.
Xbox X - 120 fps 8K with stuttering with small game worlds due to slow SSD needing to buffer.

I know what I'd choose. I hate stuttering.

n/m I’m stupid.

 

[ResilientBanana]

The thing I find hilarious is all the "insiders" that had wrong information all talked to PS5 devs. Now let's consider all the devs that consider the new PS5 the most innovative tech ever.

 

[Arkam]

Guy seems pretty legit to me with very real developer contacts. What exactly about his linked in page are you talking about?

Left Sony as a designer a decade ago. Looks like they havent worked in games in many years. So odds of them having hands on with either box is low.

 

[Insane Metal]

How the f do people come up with those things

 

[Windows-PC]

How the f do people come up with those things

Yeah, here is another great one from the XBox Power King Meme Thread

Credits to Vasto

 

[Insane Metal]

Yeah, here is another great one from the XBox Power King Meme Thread

Credits to Vasto

This one I posted here. Laughed a lot.

 

[jackets with pockets]

 

[magnumpy]

I'm calling it:

$399 Playstation 5
$499 XBox Series X

 

[Reindeer]

I'm calling it:

$399 Playstation 5
$499 XBox Series X

I think 449 for PS5 and 499 for Series X.

 

[Deleted member 471617]

I'm calling it:

$399 Playstation 5
$499 XBox Series X

This is what I believe both WILL BE price wise but I believe that Microsoft should put Xbox Series X at $400 and go head to head with PS5 in the price department.

 

[Velius]

Please don't flame me.

Does this mean the PS5 or the XSX is more powerful? I have not looked at the specs.

When he says the difference is staggering, in which direction is the difference??

 

[devilNprada]

So where does your point of the PS3 having inferior games come in?

Witcher 2

 

[Mattyp]

Yeah, here is another great one from the XBox Power King Meme Thread

Credits to Vasto

This needs the insiders from reeeeee and here names photo shopped protecting instead

Please don't flame me.

Does this mean the PS5 or the XSX is more powerful? I have not looked at the specs.

When he says the difference is staggering, in which direction is the difference??

Xbox is more powerful.

 

[LOLCats]

This is getting out of hand

Spoiler

or is It...

 

[magnumpy]

Sony has ruined video games for me and I will NEVER forgive them

 

[VectorVictor]

Contrary to popular belief, the X360 had a more powerful graphics card. The part that was more powerful in the PS3 was the CPU, the (in)famous Cell. And the PS3 had to contend with a split RAM pool as well. The X360 was simply the better console overall, because it had the better GPU, the better RAM and an eSRAM to boot. The only advantage the PS3 had was the Cell, which ultimately wasn't really an advantage. The exclusives the PS3 put out had more to do with Sony's willingness to invest in them, vs MS strategy of befriending every 3rd party out there and leaving 1st parties as a secondary priority. But this was never presented in that way, because, well, the Sony defense force has quite an influence on the general view of things.

This is the correct answer. PS3 was more powerful from a raw CPU standpoint, 360 was more powerful everywhere else. But Sony completely messed up the architecture with stupid AF decisions like splitting the RAM pool that took at least 2/3rds of that generation to eventually overcome via coding, which nullified any advantages it had.

Also, the 360 did outsell the PS3 that generation--dubious marketing numbers at the end pushed the PS3 over the top, not actual sell through numbers.

Technically, the Wii wiped the floor with both.

This is true...but do we truly consider the Wii a console, or an overweight house-frau workout station that happened to play a few Nintendo games with s****y waggle controls?

 

[LittleBusters]

That's what about I thought. The whole SSD kerfuffle is just Sony trying to distract from the ongoing disaster that is the upcoming 9th gen for them.

 

[Alexios]

I mean, it’s not like we don’t have both console specs here. We know the difference, it’s 2TFLOPS at best. Anybody staggered? LOL. Eh, maybe they were talking about RT capabilities. To be honest we have to wait for the games, then we will see the difference. I predict, it will be minimal.

2TF is more than a whole PS4. Is the power it takes to run the most impressive PS4 games so negligible when put towards a portion of next gen games? What if PS5 was 2 more less, that would be fine because it's just 2 less than you expected? What is the threshold it starts making a difference?

 

[Amaranty]

We will see who gets the last laugh.

PS5 - Glorious locked 29,97 fps @ 1080p unlimited open worlds.
Xbox X - 120 fps 8K with stuttering with small game worlds due to slow SSD needing to buffer.

I know what I'd choose. I hate stuttering.

 

[Apollo Helios]

The thing I find hilarious is all the "insiders" that had wrong information all claimed to "talk" to PS5 devs. Now let's consider all the devs that consider the new PS5 the most innovative tech ever.

So their insider information was in question in its totality or not?
Suddenly you verify what the insiders have said but not who they were, BUT now you are verifying who these devs are (I mean they are real why the hell you wouldn't and that you couldn't) but questioning what they have said?

Pick something that makes sense.

 

[Zog]

Show me the games. I don't care about the specs. I'm just ready to have fun playing new games.

You can expect lots of remasters in the first year.

 

[NeoGiffer]

This thread isn't going to go down well, but it will be entertaining.

 

[ResilientBanana]

So their insider information was in question in its totality or not?
Suddenly you verify what the insiders have said but not who they were, BUT now you are verifying who these devs are (I mean they are real why the hell you wouldn't and that you couldn't) but questioning what they have said?

Pick something that makes sense.

All of the "insiders" and "developers" predicted the PS5 was going to be 11-14 TFLOPS, (there is a thread regarding this with names) claiming the power crown over Microsoft. There was even one Sony developer that was claiming Sony's RT solution was better, even though there isn't enough CU's to give any sort of credibility to that comment. All of them were full of shit. So now everyone is going to believe that somehow Sony has the more powerful system still? Seriously now. Don't kid yourself.

 

[Senua]

So much dick-measuring going around this forum.

All grown men too, it's hilariously pathetic

 

[Clear]

2TF is more than a whole PS4. Is the power it takes to run the most impressive PS4 games so negligible when put towards a portion of next gen games? What if PS5 was 2 more less, that would be fine because it's just 2 less than you expected? What is the threshold it starts making a difference?

Its about relative power, the ratio of difference.

You really need to consider where the power is going. If you are blowing most of your resources rendering out to the highest res you can, recouping a 20% shortfall in fillrate is much more challenging and problematic at 900p than at 4k. The bigger the numbers get the harder it is to discern the difference by eye, and the more latitude there is in the ways the reduction is achieved.

This is the crux of the matter because the CPU side is way closer on the new machines and again the floor for expected performance from that side of the hardware is way, way higher.

Point being that this and last gen a lot of work was done offloading processes that would traditionally be handled by the CPU onto GPU Compute due to the relative weakness of the Jaguar cores. This time around we are looking at way more capable Ryzen units, supported by a host of additional APU elements that exist to reduce its workload (audio, I/O etc), and so its much less about compute performance specifically.

tl;dr: there is an argument to say that many of the advantages yielded by MS approach will prove less fruitful due to the overall paradigm shifting compared to last gen.

 

[isoRhythm]

Anyone who isnt being a disingenous fanboy knows this already.

Lol

Stumbled on this, curiously clicked it, this entire thread is hilarious in hindsight

 

[Spitfire098]

Edit: I didn't even fully read these comments before posting but OMG these comments. Some of you should practice self respect and delete your accounts after the comments yall made. Funny thing is, many of these are the same people who continue to get into tech "debates"

 

[Hobbygaming]

 

[MasterCornholio]

Long time no see.

 

[Zok310]

Fuck fanboys

 

[onQ123]

It's a trap!

 

[Vognerful]

Thread locked in 3....

 

[SLB1904]