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Forza 5: The monetization is even worse than you think.
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Red Chocobo
Banned
That's pretty crazy :/
You could buy a real car for $99. A crap one, but still lol
You could buy a real car for $99. A crap one, but still lol
Marauder Shields
Member
Next gen is looking great.
theonerayman
Member
I said in my 1st post on this board that I hadnt ever posted before. And its not that im defending the DLC practice. I am TRYING to get people to see the truth. I personally dont like the DLC, iv said that as well. Also, this isnt really DLC, its microtransactions, but why split hairs.
phosphor112
Banned
Once again, they aren't gimping the economy like Turn10 did with FM5.
I wish I could answer that but I'm not far enough along to give an idea of what the payout looks like in later stages of the career
Well, Sony's a bit of an unknown, the closest Knack has is grinding out a free iOS game that has no microtransactions whatsoever and was clearly itself an advertisement, and Shadowfall just has a standard Season Pass, albeit one that includes another gameplay mode not included with the base game that usually is, but then most modern MP console games don't give you maps for free over time so it's kind of a wash, like some twist of the status quo that may be better or worse depending on your view (I DO feel keeping the player base unified is more important, and the co-op stuff has actively been sold as an expansion as I recall.) Gran Turismo 6 IS looking to be a problem, but we need to see how much they charge for this stuff and how much you earn per race.
Anyways I have to hope either this shit REALLY bites Microsoft on the ass, or at least consumers are generally apathetic and that we don't get a bunch of whales justifying this shit for them. It's why I don't place TOO much stock in the notion they need to stick around for Sony's sake, enough poisonous ideas and it's better they sink as an example of what NOT to do than the exist for the sake of competition. Admittedly the ideal would be if they could do the ultimate 180 and go to a state closer to the OG Xbox and early 360 days but with saner budgets, possibly loosening up on DLC and whatnot too, but I kind of suspect that if this doesn't work they'll just shuffle Xbox off to someone else or outright kill it.
I doubt many reviewers spent a considerable amount of time with the game. Only racing enthusiasts do.
QuicheFontaine
Member
I think strictly speaking they're probably not breaking any rules to "recommend" an expensive package, or state that another is "great value". I'm sure they've got some legal team to look at that. Certainly couldn't hurt to report them though, and at the very least it might get a mention on WatchDog (in the UK).
let them dream
nikos
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It's sickening, really. The more I think about it, the more it angers me, and the more I play Forza 5, the less I like it.
Being a launch title, they have to realize that their game might actually be a system seller. I bought an XBone on impulse the other night and Forza 5 is the reason why I kept it. After spending over $600 to play this game, the absolute last thing I want to see is some token system implemented, especially when the season pass DLC already costs almost as much as the game. What's worse is it's shoved in your face all the time. Press Y to level up faster! Buy this with tokens! No.
On the subject of money-grubbing, I feel like the game's soundtrack is a result of them not wanting to spend money to license music. They pass it off as something that's supposed to intensify racing around a track, but it ends up sounding cheesy; like title screen music to a bad action game or a B-rated film.
The game is very bare bones and feels unfinished. It also doesn't look or feel next-gen to me at all. The more I think about it, the closer I am to packing up the XBone and taking it back to the store until more games are released. I've pretty much already lost interest in Forza, and I'm disgusted with myself for supporting Turn 10 after all of the constant PR bullshit they spew and all of their ways of nickel and diming us to death.
Being a launch title, they have to realize that their game might actually be a system seller. I bought an XBone on impulse the other night and Forza 5 is the reason why I kept it. After spending over $600 to play this game, the absolute last thing I want to see is some token system implemented, especially when the season pass DLC already costs almost as much as the game. What's worse is it's shoved in your face all the time. Press Y to level up faster! Buy this with tokens! No.
On the subject of money-grubbing, I feel like the game's soundtrack is a result of them not wanting to spend money to license music. They pass it off as something that's supposed to intensify racing around a track, but it ends up sounding cheesy; like title screen music to a bad action game or a B-rated film.
The game is very bare bones and feels unfinished. It also doesn't look or feel next-gen to me at all. The more I think about it, the closer I am to packing up the XBone and taking it back to the store until more games are released. I've pretty much already lost interest in Forza, and I'm disgusted with myself for supporting Turn 10 after all of the constant PR bullshit they spew and all of their ways of nickel and diming us to death.
SwiftDeath
Member
Oh hell no
If Halo has microtransactions I'm out. I'm just out
Screw that. I was planning on getting an XB1 next year for Halo at least but now have to wait and see what the monetization schemes are like
theonerayman
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Because its not an issue. Find people like myself who have played the game and they will tell you. Making money in this game is not even remotely and issue.
turnbuckle
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It's absolutely disgusting. If Gran Turismo 6 comes close to this I won't be touching it. Terrified of them doing this to GT7.
I'm not 100% opposed to microtransactions, but there's far more palatable ways of handling this. The Road to The Show mode in MLB The Show is a good example of it done right IMO. Hope Sony San Diego doesn't fuck it up for 2014.
I'm not 100% opposed to microtransactions, but there's far more palatable ways of handling this. The Road to The Show mode in MLB The Show is a good example of it done right IMO. Hope Sony San Diego doesn't fuck it up for 2014.
ChosenPredator
Banned
it's like a in game store it doesn't pull you to the dash it's just inside the select menu and you can use in game experience points to upgrade your stuff , I haven't seen anything asking me for real money on Ryse
Pyramid head
Banned
Maybe you don't.
Maybe you also don't see the correlation between the ridiculous micro-transactions and the limitations placed on the earning of in-game credits compared to Forza 4.
The writing has been on the wall for this sort of shit for a while now and I'm done with any game that uses this model. Those who support it are welcome to the ugly rip-off future they're cultivating for themselves.
Partial Gamification
Banned
It could be false advertising, but I'm sure the army of Microsoft Lawyers have already caught wind of this. I'll look into it from the agencys' ends.
NullPointer
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How does anybody know this?
Very curious about Halo. I also wonder how long it'll take to get a handle on that game's monetization efforts.
Dougstyles
Banned
If you buy in to this bullshit, you are part of the problem. Simple as that.
Turn 10 can get fucked.
Turn 10 can get fucked.
As opposed to other people who have the game and are saying opposite?
edit; like a bubble er something...
Because that claim hasn't been substantiated.
I freely admit that I was powering through the upgrade screen so I MAY have missed a prompt saying we are taking you to the store now but I really, really don't remember it. It was not a very subtle suggestion.
o ok. but it looks like there is real money options in there.
edit: ah ok. I thoughy it was pulling you to the live store.
theonerayman
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If people are honestly having a hard time making money with this game then they are playing on the easiest difficulty with all the assists on. Other wise there is NO WAY they are having trouble making money
Either the credits you earn changed between pre-release and post-release; or post-release saw a lot more skilled players enter, making his drivatar place lower on average, and thus earning less credits on average.
I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that it's the latter case.
What in the... fuck...
Hahaha!
This is the funniest thing I have seen all week.
Oh, Jesus fucking christ, shame on you MS, shame on you consumer knowingly supporting this bullshit.
Yeah, I want to see how this affects the games I actually give a damn about. If they contrive a way to fuck up D4 and stuff like Sunset Overdrive and Quantum Break are riddled with this stuff then there is no reason to bother with an XB1 for me at all. If these launch titles are just showing the worst of it and it either evens out or just stays in a few series like Forza then it won't be an issue.
yes it is, for obvious reasons
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...RVVRQmVJanVNVE9ic2t4VnpvRVE&usp=sharing#gid=0
Not mine but lists prices for all cars
Not mine but lists prices for all cars
The only people I see complaining are people without the game. The owners are too busy complaining about lack of content
theonerayman
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Not one time in all the time iv spent with this game have I ever thought "Man I wish I had just a bit more money". Maybe its just how I'm personally playing the game but I dont see getting money as an issue.
NullPointer
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Thanks. Added to OP.
Anybody able to sum that token cost up? Curious to know what that total is.
An hour in the low class races.....im sure like other forzas they toss credits at you in better events.
not_so_special
Banned
thats its one of the reasons i dont trust microsoft ,yeah i know everyone is doing similae things..but microsoft its epic level on this subject
I can see it being OK if you can still get pretty good, competitive cars that just aren't the very nice or popular ones. But that also depends on having enough gameplay modes and whatnot to enjoy even if it'd take forever to get the cars, and it sounds like the game's REALLY lacking on that front anyway, so it just looks like lose/lose to me.
Horse armor was the equivalent to paying for ring tones on a phone. This is something much, much worse.
Oh man, the people trying to defend this are too funny. The "don't buy it, problem solved" mentality doesn't make any sense. Do you realize that majority of people don't buy micro-transactions in mobile games, right? The reason why it's still in nearly all of those games is because the small percentage that buys it spends a lot of money. This is just the beginning and it'll be in many games just like mobile games and how fast this DLC/season pass bullshit spread throughout most current games.
Micros-transactions WILL affect the gameplay and will constantly try to convince you to pay up.
Micros-transactions WILL affect the gameplay and will constantly try to convince you to pay up.
phosphor112
Banned
Looking at promotional pictures they have even adjusted their prices to be more affordable,
theonerayman
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It seems to me that the game was designed with this progression in mind "play through the career, earn all the money, buy the cars then race online" that might not be for ever. But thats really how it seems to me. because the people who are complaining about not being able to buy a Bugatti Veyron SS for 2.4 million credits in the 1st 5 hours of the game have to be wanting it ONLY for online. Because there just arent that many races in the games career you could even do with that car.
People that are fans of the game wont be personally affected that much because they will play a lot and earn money naturally. I keep hearing people say you need to 'grind' but people who enjoy racing wont see it as grinding. You can grind if you want, and plenty of people do, but its misleading to make it sound like thats the only way to get some of these cars.
That said, not everybody will enjoy racing as much and these people are definitely the ones being targeted here.
And the bottom line is that they've cut useful and enjoyable features in a very clear attempt to encourage people to spend more real money. Just because the diehard fans are least affected doesnt make it less shameful.
Delusibeta
Banned
For clarification, here are the tokens per dollar, according to that screencap:
100 = 100 tokens per dollar
325 = 65 tokens per dollar
575 = 57.5 tokens per dollar < RECOMMENDED
1250 = 62.5 tokens per dollar
2700 = 54 tokens per dollar < GREAT VALUE
8000 = 80 tokens per dollar.
Spot the problems.
Token cost of all cars in the game comes to 168993
if bought at simplest token value cost of 8000 per $100 usd, that comes to $2200. you could probably bring it in a bit cheaper by buying the remaining balance with smaller amounts instead of the 8000 lot.
if bought at the least value cost of 1250 per $20 that comes to $2700.
cheapest overall brings it to $1690 with 100 tokens per dollar..
da fuq?
So some people would be having the problem then. And just a shot in the dark, some might be having problems on other difficulties as well. And unlike the previous iterations, it doesn't seem to produce enough money as a benefit to a variety of players winning/losing/assists/noassists/etc. If it was business as usual, it wouldn't be a thread.
You can't just say that people that are finding this problematic, aren't having an issue. -- But wait, they are, under a specific circumstance! Bottom line is people are having a problem with it. However they've been playing the game in the past, they are continuing to do it now, with way different results. Just from a bystander looking at the suggested packages and what not, it doesn't make any sense outside of a consumer unfriendly way. Then those weird instances combined with players also having the concern about vehicles being priced too much for the amount of time to be put in makes a subject that is worthy to discuss on a gaming forum.
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