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French Hardware Sales YTD/LTD by GFK (PS3 + 3DS >60% of Market 2013)

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Jamix012

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Console| June| %Change|
3DS | 43009 | 18%
PS3 | 23189 | -24%
X360| 13570 | -40%
PSV | 7868 | -32%
PSP | 7417 | -25%
Wii | 6624 | -52%
WiiU| 3242 | -N/A
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Article contains YTD/LTD too
Raist said:
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Rank    Plat.   YTD             LTD
1 	3DS 	237.950  	1.928.838 
2 	PS3 	198.158  	4.561.277 
3 	360 	92.405   	3.133.692 
4 	WII 	62.470  	6.161.310 
5 	PSP 	46.467  	3.396.999 
6 	WiU 	38.927  	149.434 
7 	PSV 	34.592  	233.309
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Thanks Raist


Sorry for the bad formatting /I tried

Source: http://www.gameblog.fr/news/36870-ventes-consoles-en-france-les-vrais-chiffres-font-mal
Google Translated Source: http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...en-france-les-vrais-chiffres-font-mal&act=url
 
C

crispyben

Member
Jamix012 said:
I actually think the YTD is more striking. Since Jan 01 it's sold 3242 units. The other 145,000 or so was sold in 2012.
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The figures on the white background are for the month of June only. YTD are further down in the article.

EDIT: nevermind, fixed.
 
F

Frankfurter

Member
You got that wrong. The numbers you listed unter YTD are for June only (--> Juin 2013).

There is also YTD numbers for 3DS (at 238k), PS3 (198k) and the total console/handheld market YTD (726k, including 3DS and PS3, i.e. everything else is 290k combined).

Edit: Oh, there is also YTDs for all the other consoles/handhelds in the article ^^
 
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Raist

Banned
You're wrong OP. These numbers are for JUNE 2013. They're not YTD.

These are the YTD and LTD numbers.

Code: 
Rank    Plat.   YTD             LTD
1 	3DS 	237.950  	1.928.838 
2 	PS3 	198.158  	4.561.277 
3 	360 	92.405   	3.133.692 
4 	WII 	62.470  	6.161.310 
5 	PSP 	46.467  	3.396.999 
6 	WiU 	38.927  	149.434 
7 	PSV 	34.592  	233.309
 
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SmokyDave

Member
Here's your YTD / LTD:

Ventes France de janvier 2013 à juin 2013

Rang Machine Année 2013 Total

1 - 3DS - 237.950 - 1.928.838
2 - PS3 - 198.158 - 4.561.277
3 - Xbox 360 - 92.405 - 3.133.692
4 - Wii - 62.470 - 6.161.310
5 - PSP - 46.467 - 3.396.999
6 - Wii U - 38.927 - 149.434
7 - PS Vita - 34.592 - 233.309
 
K

Kenka

Member
WiiU sold roughly 3'000 units in a month ?
That's got to hurt if confirmed.

Smoky, what's your source ?
 
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Aquamarine

Member
Gameblog is a serious, major French gaming website.

I have absolutely no reason to suspect that these numbers aren't legit.
 
J

Jubern

Member
Aquamarine said:
Gameblog is a serious, major French gaming website.

I have absolutely no reason to suspect that these numbers aren't legit.
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Yep. They're the third biggest game news website in France, they would never publish these numbers if it wasn't official.

Computer said:
Gameblog is hardly more serious than Kotaku.
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I respectfully disagree. I can see why people don't like them and the blogs can be terrible, but the main site is alright.
 
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Aquamarine

Member
SmokyDave said:
Here's your YTD / LTD:

Ventes France de janvier 2013 à juin 2013

Rang Machine Année 2013 Total

1 - 3DS - 237.950 - 1.928.838
2 - PS3 - 198.158 - 4.561.277
3 - Xbox 360 - 92.405 - 3.133.692
4 - Wii - 62.470 - 6.161.310
5 - PSP - 46.467 - 3.396.999
6 - Wii U - 38.927 - 149.434
7 - PS Vita - 34.592 - 233.309
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So:

GFK / France Wii U Sales:

November 30th Launch-December:
Wii U - 110,507

January-May:
Wii U - 35,685

June
Wii U - 3,242
 
M

Miles Quaritch

Member
Poor Vita and Wii U.

Such a shame to see two excellent platforms floundering. If I weren't such an optimist, I'd worry for their futures, but I know, deep down, their will to live is strong and their resurrection is close at hand.
 
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Raist

Banned
Also that article mentions that Nintendo France's CEO recently claimed that the Wii sold more than the 360 in 2013 thanks to the Wii Mini. Well apparently that's quite wrong.
 
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Striek

Member
Was been discussed in the PAL charts thread, they're interesting figures. The 3DS is almost exactly dead even in the first half year over year which is ho-hum but at least it had positive momentum in June, everything else has fallen and the Wii U just seems tragic. Its sales in June were so pitiful.

3.2k in France? <20k/month in the whole of Europe confirmed. Tragic.
 
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Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I said in the PAL charts thread, but ballparking WiiU's monthly European sales at 15k-20k at best, we really are looking at a console currently scratching around the 100k mark for monthly global sales.
 
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Opus Angelorum

Member
Rough performance:

Wii U

Ltd = 149,434
Ytd = 38,927
Ltd Monthly average (LTD/7) = 21,347
Ytd Monthly average (LTD-Nov&Dec/6) = 6,487

PSVita

Ltd = 233,309
Ytd = 34,592
Montly average (LTD/=16) = 14,581
 
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Miles Quaritch

Member
Raist said:
Also that article mentions that Nintendo France's CEO recently claimed that the Wii sold more than the 360 in 2013 thanks to the Wii Mini. Well apparently that's quite wrong.
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Oh dear.

Maybe it's a case of them getting the MS numbers wrong? I don't believe Nintendo France would outright lie about outselling the 360 if they had accurate/up to date info to hand.
 
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Chû Totoro

Member
Proud to see that most of French gamers are going for PS3 or/and 3DS this year. Best combo for now.

Wii U is not that bad but knowing the Nintendo love we usually have in France it's clearly disappointing.
Anyhow I still think that Nintendo's audience is changing, not only because the Wii sales won't happen anytime soon but also because the core Nintendo audience is now clearly in two very different audiences : less than 15 and more than 25 (imo but I would love to have socio-demographics numbers about Nintendo gamers).

PS4 is going to crush so badly the Xbox One in France... maybe Wii U / PS4 will even lead the market here? (not counting portable systems since 3DS is already a success here and sales will continue to be good or be even better).
 
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Sammy Samusu

Member
1 - 3DS - 237.950 - 1.928.838
2 - PS3 - 198.158 - 4.561.277

Coming for PS3 install base. Pokemon will give it a big boost.

What's the DS install base?
 
M

Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
Striek said:
Was been discussed in the PAL charts thread, they're interesting figures. The 3DS is almost exactly dead even in the first half year over year which is ho-hum but at least it had positive momentum in June, everything else has fallen and the Wii U just seems tragic. Its sales in June were so pitiful.

3.2k in France? <20k/month in the whole of Europe confirmed. Tragic.
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As said in the other thread, it's flat due to first three months sales, when 3DS sold less than PS3 in France (like in the whole Europe, where it sold even less than 360). This confirms how much things changed from April to June, the momentum wasn't just in June.
 
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kswiston

Member
Pie and Beans said:
I said in the PAL charts thread, but ballparking WiiU's monthly European sales at 15k-20k at best, we really are looking at a console currently scratching around the 100k mark for monthly global sales.
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Wasn't the Wii the only Nintendo console to ever really gain traction in Europe?
 
cyberheater

cyberheater

PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
WiiU doing just about as well as I expected.
 
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Raist

Banned
Aquamarine said:
Maybe he was talking about shipments?
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Well I don't know, I had a look at the original interview and he's referencing GfK as the source. That article points out that it doesn't match Nintendo's FY report.

Also from that interview, it seems ACNL sold 0ver 60k after 10 days.
So TLoU is well above that number in France (since it consistently charted above AC).


edit: Not sure what's up with that guy. He also mentions that the PS2 sold below 6M LTD in France. I highly doubt that.
Also, their forcast for LTD WiiU sales by April 2014 is 450 to 630k. Good luck with that. Although to be fair that's based on the 9M WW forecast from Nintendo's previous financial report.
 
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Aquamarine

Member
Pie and Beans said:
I said in the PAL charts thread, but ballparking WiiU's monthly European sales at 15k-20k at best, we really are looking at a console currently scratching around the 100k mark for monthly global sales.
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WII U SALES:

(Japan) Famitsu Sell-through, 4/29/2013 - 6/30/2013
Two month total: 54,242
Trending at: ~27,121 per month

(Europe) GFK Chart-Track Sell-through
~15K / 20K per month "at best"
Trending at: ~17,500 per month

(USA) NPD Sell-through, 05/05/2013 - 07/06/2013
Two month total: ~75,000
Trending at: ~37,500 per month


(Japan) ~27,121 per month
(Europe) ~17,500 per month "at best"
(USA) ~37,500 per month
=
~82,121 per month in the three primary territories "at best."


Not a good trend. :-(
 
Bruno MB

Bruno MB

Member
Best case scenario for Wii U in Europe must probably be around 600.000 units sold.

150.000 in France, let's say it sold the same amount in UK and Germany, that's 450.000 in total. We add another 150.000 units from other minor markets (Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Nordic countries etc.) and as I said, absolutely best case scenario for Wii U about 600.000 units.
 
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FDC1

Member
Bruno MB said:
Best case scenario for Wii U in Europe must probably be around 600.000 units sold.

150.000 in France, let's say it sold the same amount in UK and Germany, that's 450.000 in total. We add another 150.000 units from other minor markets (Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Nordic countries etc.) and as I said, absolutely best case scenario for Wii U about 600.000 units.
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You underate "minor" markets share.
 
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Raist

Banned
Jamix012 said:
My theory is somehow by Wii he meant the "Wii family" which would include both Wii and the Wii U. That would add up to just above the 360.
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Well the original interview had 3 clear sections, 3DS, WiiU, Wii.
It's clearly stated he's talking about the Wii there, so I doubt that.

The interviewer even asks him to confirm that, and the guy is pretty adamant about it.
 
Bruno MB

Bruno MB

Member
FDC1 said:
You underate "minor" markets share.
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That's true, but I took into account that Wii U in Italy or Spain is doing comparatively worse than other European countries, specially shocking its absolutely atrocious market share in Italy.
 
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Raist

Banned
Bruno MB said:
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That's true, but I took into account that Wii U in Italy or Spain is doing comparatively worse than other European countries, specially shocking its absolutely atrocious market share in Italy.
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It's not even that much of an underestimation. UK + FRA + GER is roughly 80% of the EU market.
 
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kswiston

Member
FDC1 said:
You underate "minor" markets share.
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Even if we doubled his "rest of Europe" estimate and said that Europe is sitting at 750k:

US + Canada = ~1.5M (assuming Canadian sales are equal to ~1/10th US sales)
Japan = 1M
EU = 750k

That's 3.25M systems between the three major territories in 8 months. Even if you throw in Australia, Latin America, and the other smaller markets, we're looking at less than 4M Wii Us in living rooms worldwide. That's a horrible start.
 
Majmun

Majmun

Member
Wii U is basically dead in Europe.

The fall from Wii to Wii U has got to be the biggest sales decline in console transition history.

Don't think that the console can be saved in Europe anymore
 
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liger05

Member
kswiston said:
Even if we doubled his "rest of Europe" estimate and said that Europe is sitting at 750k:

US + Canada = ~1.5M (assuming Canadian sales are equal to ~1/10th US sales)
Japan = 1M
EU = 750k

That's 3.25M systems between the three major territories in 8 months. Even if you throw in Australia, Latin America, and the other smaller markets, we're looking at less than 4M Wii Us in living rooms worldwide. That's a horrible start.
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Yet they still forecasted 9 mil for this financial year. The console is on life support at best.

The fall from Wii to Wii U has got to be the biggest sales decline in console transition history.
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Would be a very interesting case study. How a brand can have one of the most popular products on the planet and then the Wii U.
 
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Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Aquamarine said:
WII U SALES:

(Japan) Famitsu Sell-through, 4/29/2013 - 6/30/2013
Two month total: 54,242
Trending at: ~27,121 per month

(Europe) GFK Chart-Track Sell-through
~15K / 20K per month "at best"
Trending at: ~17,500 per month

(USA) NPD Sell-through, 05/05/2013 - 07/06/2013
Two month total: ~75,000
Trending at: ~37,500 per month


(Japan) ~27,121 per month
(Europe) ~17,500 per month "at best"
(USA) ~37,500 per month
=
~82,121 per month in the three primary territories "at best."


Not a good trend. :-(
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Ha ha ha, I was even over-estimating it. Me. Over-estimating the WiiU.
kswiston said:
Even if we doubled his "rest of Europe" estimate and said that Europe is sitting at 750k:

US + Canada = ~1.5M (assuming Canadian sales are equal to ~1/10th US sales)
Japan = 1M
EU = 750k

That's 3.25M systems between the three major territories in 8 months. Even if you throw in Australia, Latin America, and the other smaller markets, we're looking at less than 4M Wii Us in living rooms worldwide. That's a horrible start.
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31st is going to be eye gougy bad. Iwata having to say with a straight face "we've not... sold through launch shipment..."
 
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