Check how many have been capped in the ban log though.GAF should probably get stricter. It's swarming with reeeturners now, worse than 4chan with glowies. Most reeeturners here are not to have a conversation but to gloat.
I don't think people should be banned just for returning. If they return and behave like asses sure, but otherwise a bigger community isn't a bad thing.GAF should probably get stricter. It's swarming with reeeturners now, worse than 4chan with glowies. Most reeeturners here are not to have a conversation but to gloat.
rest in pepperonis brotherYeah, I love realities that ignore evidence. You can pretend everything's peachy and even try and force us to pretend with you, it doesn't make you right, it makes you the same sort of coward running all these other tech sites.
If I get banned for asking I'll risk it, but how is the people on this site who supported the violence, rioting, CHAZ from this summer, and stuff like CRT and the 1619 project not "Fringe views, hateful ideologies, and nuthouse conspiracy theories" that deserve a ban?Fringe views, hateful ideologies, and nuthouse conspiracy theories aren't welcome.
If I get banned for asking I'll risk it, but how is the people on this site who supported the violence, rioting, CHAZ from this summer, and stuff like CRT and the 1619 project not "Fringe views, hateful ideologies, and nuthouse conspiracy theories" that deserve a ban?
Or for that matter 4 years of "Russian collusion stole the election" was ok, but it's now a nuthouse conspiracy to think that the Dems did the same thing?
I’ll engage the Whataboutism argument this time:If I get banned for asking I'll risk it, but how is the people on this site who supported the violence, rioting, CHAZ from this summer, and stuff like CRT and the 1619 project not "Fringe views, hateful ideologies, and nuthouse conspiracy theories" that deserve a ban?
Or for that matter 4 years of "Russian collusion stole the election" was ok, but it's now a nuthouse conspiracy to think that the Dems did the same thing?
Fringe views, hateful ideologies, and nuthouse conspiracy theories aren't welcome. Liberals, Conservatives, Libertarians, etc. are welcome. Some temporary concessions had been made due to the POTUS personally leading many Americans on with what would otherwise be fringe lunacy, as it's relevant to broader political discussion, but that's over. It's time to exist in reality.
weirdly I agree because you can really swing public opinion by spewing of baseless 'information' and in times where facts need to be researched and made available, ie impending or ongoing riots, these services can do almost nothing to hinder further incitement.this should mean other governments can block these social media sites without complaints of restrictions on free speech. like Egypt, Hungry and Brazil.
Surely you can see the difference between a social justice movement in response to police brutality and systemic racism vs calls to occupy the Capitol building due to a belief in a conspiracy theory that the election was “stolen”. This was a mass delusion fanned by the certain members of the government.If I get banned for asking I'll risk it, but how is the people on this site who supported the violence, rioting, CHAZ from this summer, and stuff like CRT and the 1619 project not "Fringe views, hateful ideologies, and nuthouse conspiracy theories" that deserve a ban?
Or for that matter 4 years of "Russian collusion stole the election" was ok, but it's now a nuthouse conspiracy to think that the Dems did the same thing?
The Floyd Riots were just as much of a conspiracy theory as election fraud, they were based on a blatant lie, and were egged on by way more politicians and businesses than what just happened in the Capitol, and the belief that the Police are the problem has no basis in reality.Surely you can see the difference between a social justice movement in response to police brutality and systemic racism vs calls to occupy the Capitol building due to a belief in a conspiracy theory that the election was “stolen”. This was a mass delusion fanned by the certain members of the government.
The US has a proud history of social justice marches—against wars, racial and gender discrimination, calls for greater equality, etc. You may not not agree with these or recent protests. that’s your right and you won’t be kicked off any platform for these beliefs. However, expect to receive harsh treatment for participating or perpetuating violence on the basis of conspiracy theories that have no basis in reality.
Unfortunately it seems like you’ve been dragged down the conspiracy theory hole.The Floyd Riots were just as much of a conspiracy theory as election fraud, they were based on a blatant lie, and were egged on by way more politicians and businesses than what just happened in the Capitol, and the belief that the Police are the problem has no basis in reality.
The US does have a proud history of social justice marches, and what happened this last summer took a massive dump on that history, and made a mockery of people like MLK Jr.
EDIT: Please note, I don't believe people should be banned even for the things I mentioned, but I don't think still believing in election fraud this November means you deserve to be banned either, and it's supremely disappointing to me to see Evilore decide that's now the right thing to do.
Just because mcdonald is public doesn't mean you can take a shit in the lobbyPublicly traded “private company.”
Why would I need to when it’s already in the “food.”Just because mcdonald is public doesn't mean you can take a shit in the lobby
I think the "blatant lie" he's referring to is not the existence of systemic racism, but rather the assumption that Floyd died in a racially motivated murder. You can infer from the circumstances that Floyd died because of his skin color, but that cannot be proven according to the facts that I'm aware of. He died as a result of mistreatment by police officers, that much is clear, but the racial component, that was central in all the protests and riots, is conjecture in this case AFAIK. (this is barring the surfacing of any explicit racist statements or an explicit pattern of previous racist behaviours by Chauvin that I'm not aware of, I haven't looked into the case for a while) I.E. you can't prove that Floyd would have lived had he been white and all other things being equal.Unfortunately it seems like you’ve been dragged down the conspiracy theory hole.
You don’t believe in something where the facts have been laid bare (the existence of systemic racism in the justice system) yet you believe in something that has been discredited by numerous courts and investigations conducted by reputable people.
Evilore put it well that now is the time to accept it and put the conspiracy theories to rest. Come up for air.
It's not entirely public if it benefits from the government. Like with section 230. Monopolies are always the result of companies lobbying the government to reduce competition. So don't blame it on capitalism.
There is no "systemic racism" in the US in any way shape or form.You don’t believe in something where the facts have been laid bare (the existence of systemic racism in the justice system) .
It’s a free country, you can believe whatever you want. But don’t expect freedom from consequences when you express fringe opinions our tout conspiracy theories.There is no "systemic racism" in the US in any way shape or form.
Even the whole term is nonsensical.
Oh like what you are doing right now? Gotcha.It’s a free country, you can believe whatever you want. But don’t expect freedom from consequences when you express fringe opinions our tout conspiracy theories.
So, refusing to believe in all-encompassing "systemic racism" that permeates everything - from the legal system to harvesting of cucumbers - is it a fringe belief or a conspiracy theory?It’s a free country, you can believe whatever you want. But don’t expect freedom from consequences when you express fringe opinions our tout conspiracy theories.
Do you get banned for saying that on Twitter?Let's test this theory.
A man is not a woman.
I shall await to see if I get suspended for that comment.
you basically just said a whole lot of nothing, congratsIt’s a free country, you can believe whatever you want. But don’t expect freedom from consequences when you express fringe opinions our tout conspiracy theories.
If enough people report it as harassment, yesDo you get banned for saying that on Twitter?
Believing that people aren't systemic racists is a conspiracy theory?It’s a free country, you can believe whatever you want. But don’t expect freedom from consequences when you express fringe opinions our tout conspiracy theories.
What are the words you'd use for it? From what I gather it's a long string of complicated matters that makes police act different towards the stereotypically crime-prone races, making police interaction more of a symptom.So, refusing to believe in all-encompassing "systemic racism" that permeates everything - from the legal system to harvesting of cucumbers - is it a fringe belief or a conspiracy theory?
There is some truth in it albeit not the absolute truth, kind of a grey area. Stereotypes are built due to repeated histories. Then again Floyd is a substance user highly susceptible of having heart attack and his case was made on pedestal for parades, riots and looting.There is no "systemic racism" in the US in any way shape or form.
Even the whole term is nonsensical.
Yes.Do you get banned for saying that on Twitter?
And this "string of complicated matters" encompasses every issue of life.What are the words you'd use for it? From what I gather it's a long string of complicated matters that makes police act different towards the stereotypically crime-prone races, making police interaction more of a symptom.
(Not taking a side here. Not from the US.)
System implies some kind of intelligent design - as in police are instructed to act differently towards different people, there should be manuals, instructions, etc.What are the words you'd use for it? From what I gather it's a long string of complicated matters that makes police act different towards the stereotypically crime-prone races, making police interaction more of a symptom.
(Not taking a side here. Not from the US.)
If you have an opinion that disagrees with decades of research by health organizations, various levels of the justice system, academics, non partisan think thanks, scientists, etc., then I’d classify that as a fringe opinion. Fringe doesn’t mean wrong; history is full or breakthroughs that start as fringe/speculative/provocative ideas.So, refusing to believe in all-encompassing "systemic racism" that permeates everything - from the legal system to harvesting of cucumbers - is it a fringe belief or a conspiracy theory?
what are the conclusions from research around systemic racism?If you have an opinion that disagrees with decades of research by health organizations, various levels of the justice system, academics, non partisan think thanks, scientists, etc., then I’d classify that as a fringe opinion. Fringe doesn’t mean wrong; history is full or breakthroughs that start as fringe/speculative/provocative ideas.
But you need to provide evidence that supports your idea. I haven’t seen anyone here or elsewhere provide any evidence that would lead me to doubt the conclusions from research around systemic racism. Just that “it’s not real.” Like I said, that’s you’re right. But don’t be surprised if you’re deplatformed/banned when you keep touting ideas that aren’t supported by evidence, especially when it comes to things that are essential to our social fabric like ideas around racism and elections.
What's the 'out' here? Getting a headache trying to walk the steps back from 'excessive force' to the circumstances that lead to an 'excessive' lifestyle warranting such treatment.System implies some kind of intelligent design - as in police are instructed to act differently towards different people, there should be manuals, instructions, etc.
Ultimately every interaction is an interaction between people. People have thoughts and beliefs and act on them.
what are the conclusions from research around systemic racism?
try to be specific
The most specific high-profile study I can think of is probably Get on the Ground by HWR. That looks at just Tulsa. It’s avail on their site. While reading it keep in mind that HWR has bias. After that you can broaden your scope to state and then national studies. Pretty much every reputable think tank/university has something to say about it.
I'm a little confused here. You are allowed to be a trump supporter but not agree with his positions?That's not an accurate representation of my position at all. You're free to be a Trump supporter here, as with being a Biden supporter, same as before. I was referring to the notion that the election was stolen in a "sacred landslide," which prompted the disgraceful Capitol Incident. The Trump admin had ample opportunity to prove this landslide, but didn't prove it sufficient to a legal standard in any courts, Trump has conceded, and Biden will be inaugurated on the 20th. This is the straightforward truth of the matter that should be accepted so that discussion can move forward, lest we descend into a similar madness that overtook this forum after the 2016 election.
You've already requested a permaban, though. So be it.
Crazy times we live in, huh.I'm a little confused here. You are allowed to be a trump supporter but not agree with his positions?
A confluence of random factors does not constitute a "system".The most specific high-profile study I can think of is probably Get on the Ground by HWR. That looks at just Tulsa. It’s avail on their site. While reading it keep in mind that HWR has bias. After that you can broaden your scope to state and then national studies. Pretty much every reputable think tank/university has something to say about it.
Yea that doesn't make much sense to me. but whateva it's your website man.Crazy times we live in, huh.
That’s not true at all. Our universe is a system, galaxies are systems, then the we have our own solar system and within that our planet which is comprised of numerous random geological and ecological systems. These systems are all the result of post Big Bang randomness. A system does not require intelligent design. Order can rise from randomness.A confluence of random factors does not constitute a "system".
A system requires intelligent design, as in a set of orders, manuals, etc.
If anything, the only "systemic racism" is CRT based trainings where white people are taught to systemically discriminate against themselves.
I think in the light of what is happening with the current bans across social media, I think it’s time to understand what censorship really is and realize not everything is censorship. Do you believe GAF and other forums promote censorship and why/why not? Lots of people have been banned/warned of stuff that not even Twitter or Facebook bans people for on these forums. Where do you draw the line at censorship? Also remember these are privately owned forums. Getting banned for breaking TOS is not censorship.