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Gal Gun Returns for Xbox One cancelled (due to MS censorship)

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Sparhavoc

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People crying this is pedo are the same hot headed morons who allow censorship in the first place. Then again I'd expect reee to hijack this post.

Most weebs are teens. I think your average gal gun fan will be still in school themselves lol

Where was all your outrage over shows like Cuties from netflix. Hypocrites.
 
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People crying this is pedo are the same hot headed morons who allow censorship in the first place. Then again I'd expect reee to hijack this post.

Most weebs are teens. I think your average gal gun fan will be still in school themselves lol
Look up "4chan bib guy"

That's the demographic.
 
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Yet you wouldn't trust a gal gunner teaching a classroom of grade 6 students.

People need to face it, the disgusting beings that play these games are incompatible and cannot be trusted in society.

Japan seems to be doing just fine with Otaku culture. Gal Gun is tame compared to some the shit you can buy.

 
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Can't believe there's another side to this. Yes, I am FOR censorship when it addresses the sexualization of minors.

Lmao, all the fiveheads in this thread saying "it's either all or nothing bubs! Support this game or you are against free speech!"

Maybe you can trick your high school friends with this gotcha argument but I hate to inform you that it does not work in the real world with functioning adult members of society. There is a line, and that line gets crossed with the sexualization (or implied sexualization) of minors.

This is NOT the free speech hill to die on. This game should not be defended nor accepted in a civilized society.
Ok, so rating boards have no problem with this, the game is not illegal and its prequel was allowed on the Xbox LIVE Marketplace just fine and it releases legally on Switch yet this has to be censored? Again disliking it and being offended by it != illegal. I can very well not buy it (not my kind of game), but that does not mean it has to be censored.

People need to face it, the disgusting beings that play these games are incompatible and cannot be trusted in society.
— signed “person who wants acceptance, tolerance, and welcomes uncomfortable (for others) discussions and topics”.

As a slight aside, you can read from groups of activists that they want people to get comfortable with uncomfortable topics (but it always reads that others have to, they do not... what is uncomfortable to them needs to be banned/deplatformed as it supports ideas that give a platform to topics that sound similar to phrases that cut out of context may support people who give a platform to others who are not part of The Solution and that means are part of the problem/racists/nazi).
 
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What values? You mean where I dont sexualize children?

Yeah, if you think thats Ok I hope your ass catches a permban here.

If you dont think drawing kid pedo shit is okay, then what are we arguing about?
Someone really loves the ban hammer and censorship. Such people are always irrational and draw insane conclusions. Gal gun is mostly popular in japan where their culture is different.

They've already stated that the school girls are 16 - 18 anyone drawing younger conclusions are just projecting for outrage. Most western media sexualized that age demographic and I don't see you wanting to ban that. Be consistent with your morals atleast.
 
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Cool fanfare bro, it's too bad japanese schools are plagued with "sexual misconduct" against minors

What fanfare? Otaku is a billion dollar industry in Japan. Its literally everywhere.

I just read an article a month or so ago about the sharp increase in sexual assaults in the American school system. Its unfortunately happening everywhere. Nice try tho. About on par with parents blaming games like Doom and Grand Theft Auto on school violence.
 
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Someone really loves the ban hammer and censorship. Such people are always irrational and draw insane conclusions. Gal gun is mostly popular in japan where their culture is different.

They've already stated that the school girls are 16 - 18 anyone drawing younger conclusions are just projecting for outrage. Most western media sexualized that age demographic and I don't see you wanting to ban that. Be consistent with your morals atleast.
That "culture" (Japan) is failing it's children and women. The silence from victims is deafening, people witness a sexual assault sometimes weekly and DO NOTHING to step in.

I always roll my eyes @ the term "rape culture" but when you look at the stats and cries from the victims in japan, that's exactly what it is. It's an obvious systemic issue there.
 

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That "culture" (Japan) is failing it's children and women. The silence from victims is deafening, people witness a sexual assault sometimes weekly and DO NOTHING to step in.

I always roll my eyes @ the term "rape culture" but when you look at the stats and cries from the victims in japan, that's exactly what it is. It's an obvious systemic issue there.
Ok, so rape culture exists as long as people do not accuse the country you live in, gotcha.
 
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Someone really loves the ban hammer and censorship. Such people are always irrational and draw insane conclusions. Gal gun is mostly popular in japan where their culture is different.

They've already stated that the school girls are 16 - 18 anyone drawing younger conclusions are just projecting for outrage. Most western media sexualized that age demographic and I don't see you wanting to ban that. Be consistent with your morals atleast.

Sounds like someone from ResetEra made its way here. Banning people who speak their mind is the norm there.
 

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What fanfare? Otaku is a billion dollar industry in Japan. Its literally everywhere.

I just read an article a month or so ago about the sharp increase in sexual assaults in the American school system. Its unfortunately happening everywhere. Nice try tho. About on par with parents blaming games like Doom and Grand Theft Auto on school violence.
I live in a country with similar stats with japan when it comes to sexual crime, Japan has real issue with reporting certain sexual crimes anyways, my country does not.

I don't care about americans, it's a lame strawman too. Whataboutism isn't an answer

I couldn't care less about a billion dollar industry, just a number, you can make anything a billion dollar industry.
 
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Someone really loves the ban hammer and censorship. Such people are always irrational and draw insane conclusions. Gal gun is mostly popular in japan where their culture is different.

They've already stated that the school girls are 16 - 18 anyone drawing younger conclusions are just projecting for outrage. Most western media sexualized that age demographic and I don't see you wanting to ban that. Be consistent with your morals atleast.

Sounds like someone from ResetEra made its way here. Banning people who speak their mind is the norm there.

Lmao I have no love for Resetera but if you are attraced to underage girls I think you are a sick fuck. Especially if you are an older man (in his 20's/30's or over).

I have no beef with anyone who is 18. In some countries its also legal to have sex from age 15.

But we all know that there is anime/hentai where people draw pedo shit, and pretend to justify it. I even saw it on Twitter the other day, some fucking sick fucks defending pedo drawings

" BUT ITS ONLY LINES ON A PIECE OF PAPER WHY DO U CARE???" is what they asked me

I said I dont give a fuck about anime girls, but if you think its normal to draw pedo shit then fuck you, you are a sick degenerate fuck and should seek mental help.
 

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That "culture" (Japan) is failing it's children and women. The silence from victims is deafening, people witness a sexual assault sometimes weekly and DO NOTHING to step in.

I always roll my eyes @ the term "rape culture" but when you look at the stats and cries from the victims in japan, that's exactly what it is. It's an obvious systemic issue there.
A game is not responsible for sexual assault and crime. Rape and abuse statistics are much higher in european countries and their media is quite tame. It's like the 90s when people claimed video games can make you violent.

Again you guys didnt have outrage when it comes to netflix that sexualized real children. Bet you still have a netflix account. Gal gun is set in a school with 16 - 18 year olds. Why are you seeing them as younger than that demographic?
 

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A game is not responsible for sexual assault and crime. Rape and abuse statistics are much higher in european countries and their media is quite tame. It's like the 90s when people claimed video games can make you violent.

Again you guys didnt have outrage when it comes to netflix that sexualized real children. Bet you still have a netflix account. Gal gun is set in a school with 16 - 18 year olds. Why are you seeing them as younger than that demographic?
You think Japan has a robust reporting system for sexual crime eh? LOL

What does my non existent netflix account have to do with this?

Are you gonna start ribbing about that film everyone was talking about? It seems to be brought up A LOT by you experts huh?
 
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I will never get this. Slicing and dicing shit up with chainsaw-guns in Gears 5 is OK but anime tiddies aren't. Right.
 
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You think Japan has a robust reporting system for sexual crime eh? LOL

What does my non existent netflix account have to do with this?

Are you gonna start ribbing about that film everyone was talking about? It seems to be brought up A LOT by you experts huh?
If you guys truly cared about justice for sexual crimes you wouldn't be crying on a forum about a video game
 

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If you guys truly cared about justice for sexual crimes you wouldn't be crying on a forum about a video game
LMAO okay, now you just making up conditions, guidelines and goalposts

However, you are right in a way, why would I ever waste my time trying to rationalize with you?

I'll let you bathe in your delusions. I'm out. Enjoy those last words @ me. Those will be your respite.
 
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LMAO okay, now you just making up conditions, guidelines and goalposts

However, you are right in a way, why would I ever waste my time trying to rationalize with you?

I'll let you bathe in your delusions. I'm out. Enjoy those last words @ me. Those will be your respite.
Im not talking about gal gun specifically
Seems I'm not the one moving the goal posts here
 
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Lots of people in this thread remind me of politicians who scream about how homosexuals are evil and immoral, then are later found in an airport bathroom giving a blowjob to another man. If you are so unable to distinguish fiction from reality...shit, there are plenty of real media "sexualizing" young child actresses, Hollywood is notorious for this shit.
 

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The gameplay loop is not that fun imo, so the premise of fun just shooting high school girls do stand out.

Then again it's always about shit and giggles though, just watch a stream of this game it's hilarious.

It's tame AF too, and don't try to bullshit about saying otherwise. It passed the ratings board because it is tame. Tamer than that movie game with child sex tape, tamer than lesbo minors kissing each other.
 
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I live in a country with similar stats with japan when it comes to sexual crime, Japan has real issue with reporting certain sexual crimes anyways, my country does not.

I don't care about americans, it's a lame strawman too. Whataboutism isn't an answer

I couldn't care less about a billion dollar industry, just a number, you can make anything a billion dollar industry.

Strawman? Whataboutism? Its fact. Sexual assaults are a disgusting plague all over the world. Don't like America? How about Canada? Known for being a peaceful country.

"While one in four girls surveyed said they had personally faced unwanted sexual contact, perhaps most striking was how early it occurs — beginning as early as kindergarten for some. In Grade 4, nearly one in 25 girls say they first experienced unwanted sexual touching. By Grade 7, the likelihood increased to nearly one in eight.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/scho...4TdbGkUyk1mUVJ_PLo0wufWK2a6txj1LFNtOi_2zo00xY"

Japan is facing the same shit everybody else is. Piss poor systems in place for reporting sex crimes is also a widespread problem not unique to Japan. Blaming lewd anime culture is ridiculous.
 
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If you think its ok to defend pedophelia in any way, you should be banned here imo.

So Ban me then, I don’t care, go ahead and silence me, what good will that do? There will always be someone else that will take my place, that’s why your endeavour is pointless. Sex sells, you can’t stop that, nobody can, know that I will still be out there buying games like this just to spite you. Btw I also don’t condone pedophilia, I agree the real deal is sick, but this is not that case, there’s no pedophilia here, just your deranged accusations. I can accuse you of being a pedo just as well, you’ve already shown aggressive behavior of a bigot, who knows what else you’re capable of? I thought you were gonna block me? I guess you don’t mean what you actually say. Projecting much?
 

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Gal Gun is not exactly tasteful entertainment and not my cup of tea at all, but this kind of platform-holder moralizing is stupid.

I mean, it's perfectly fine to have games in your console in which the player is allowed to murder innocent civilians going about their day but God forbid America's children should ever play a game in which, what? They shoot pew pew guns at poorly modeled anime characters? Looking it up, I see the original game had a CERO rating of D in Japan: so OK for every above the age of 16, but not bad enough to warrant the adult-only Z-rating. I know next to nothing about the game but the rating seems to indicate that there's no overtly sexual content.
 

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I don't understand censorship sometimes.
In DMC5 wasn't a girl's ass censored on PS4 but uncensored on Xbox? And now it's the opposite? That's weird. It's like Resident Evil 4 I think it wasn't censored on GC but censored on PS2, or sometimes it changes in different region...
Just uncensor it and make it 18+/M.
 
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Btw I never said this game was pedo material, vut there is plenty of ppl who do condone hentai pedo shit

I'm there too. It's true Gal Gun is tame and Microsoft should have allowed it. But its also far from the worst examples the culture has to offer, stuff that definitely crosses the line (and that's not restricted to japanese drawings, plenty of western as well). Stuff that you will find on a perverts harddrive. And there are people that are definitely exploiting that loophole of *its a drawing*.

However, that's also why this is the wrong thread to discuss it and only leads to misunderstandings and butthurt responses.
 

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Folks, there are a lot of reductive takes in this thread, and a lot of leaps in logic against peoples characters. If the purpose of your participation is to project onto someone then call them out/suggest bans then you're liable to be removed from the thread. A topic like this requires both maturity and nuance. Unless there is actual tangible evidence of alarming comments, or those that broach 'red flag' territory, then we expect the discussion to be held in good faith. What we're not here for - or will look unfavourably on - are the stupid internet comments like "anime fans are all pedo's" or "you're defending this game, that means you're a closet pedo". Basically posts that aren't interested in having a discussion around censorship, and focus on accusing other members of being vile human beings, just because they hold a contrary position that isn't built on a fetish or sexual foundation.


And, merry christmas everyone


 

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That "culture" (Japan) is failing it's children and women. The silence from victims is deafening, people witness a sexual assault sometimes weekly and DO NOTHING to step in.
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I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert) [...]

It's tame AF too, and don't try to bullshit about saying otherwise.

Haven't played it, but given how asinine CERO usually is, it has to be tame to get away with a D rating if we take the subject matter into account.
 

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like "anime fans are all pedo's"
It's a false statement anyway. By a vast majority the <18 female charachters in manga and anime feature bodies of 26+ year old moms with the only discernable way to assume they're minors being their faces and clothing. That's not what pedos get off to.

However, as I already pointed out there is the opposite too with drawing extra childish bodies that again definitely crosses the line from weird fetish to outright pedo. That's barely ever reached in the mainstream gaming market though and is looked down upon in Japanese society as well, existing as a small niche group.

There I think a discussion on where exactly the line is could be very helpful/needed (because otherwise anti-censorship falls into the trap of enabling), but that requires not falling into generalization and extremes.
 
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Remember this is a case of economic, not moral censorship.

Fear of moral outrage may be at the root of it, but concern for potential financial impact due to that is what's guiding their actions.

This is crucial to understand because it means these practices will continue until the social climate changes, direct action or complaint against MS for this is not going to go anywhere.
 
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So can any american explain to me the need for porno clips involving incest and women/men dressed up and acting as underage teenagers?

How is that any different from this niche Japanese anime variation?
 
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So can any american explain to me the need for porno clips involving incest and women/men dressed up and acting as underage teenagers?

How is that any different from this Japanese anime niche variation?
To be fair that fetish is pretty fucked up as well. But that's probably an entirely different discussion.

Though, you also hit the nail on the end and this is where the two sides may be talking about different things. How these *underage* characters are drawn. Basically, the difference between sexualizing that slender 14+ year old with way too developed breasts and that 200'000 year old loli that's barely bigger than an 8 year old. One of those gets awfully close into pedo territory, the other doesn't.
 
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