Cthulhu_Steev
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Absolutely pathetic. And you're one of the first to start crying if a MS thread goes to shit.
Reaping what you sow as far as I'm concerned.
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[Gamasutra] Inside the next Xbox: Project Scorpio and its brand-new dev kit
- Thread starter LelouchZero
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Absolutely pathetic. And you're one of the first to start crying if a MS thread goes to shit.
Reaping what you sow as far as I'm concerned.
MilkyJoe
Member
Has that ever been done before?
arhra
Member
Yeah, 4 blocks of 11, with each block being able to disable one CU to improve yields. I guess they're just skimming off the chips with 44 fully-functional CUs to put into the devkits.
did anyone watch their live stream?
http://www.polygon.com/2015/5/16/86...ega-rushed-out-the-saturn-dooming-its-console
http://www.polygon.com/2015/5/16/86...ega-rushed-out-the-saturn-dooming-its-console
ACH1LL3US
Member
So are the pics of the motherboard and exploded animation mirrored?
Likes like it has two slots for HDD's, nice!
Where are you seeing this in the render?
kingwingin
Member
Im glad the render was mirrored. Need all my disc trays on the left
ThatOneGrunt
Member
How cool would it be if they kept those buttons on the front and let you assign them to launching specific games. I would actually find that useful.
Why not just choose the game using the UI? Using those buttons seems like more work.
Usually I just grab my controller and walk away while turning the console on using my controller.
ThatOneGrunt
Member
This machine is just so well thought out, sounds elegant in its implementation, but then I expected as much after how great Xbox S is as a slim model (4k br, higher clocked, internal power source, HDR, refined controller ). Loving what I hear, everything is seamless, it just 'works', for 360 & XBS. Thank god they're not implementing that clunky 'mode' option for thier games.
I mean, we will get a better performing Witcher 3 out the box. I'm now holding out on playing Blood and Wine until I get my Scorpio.
I mean, we will get a better performing Witcher 3 out the box. I'm now holding out on playing Blood and Wine until I get my Scorpio.
Lol. I wouldn't be surprised though if it gets a August release alongside Shadow of Mordor.
RedAssedApe
Banned
the s design is super slick so scorpio should be some permutation of that. don't try and get too edgy with it.
justsomeguy
Member
August strikes me as a terrible time to launch. At least in the northern hemisphere people are on holiday, going out, at the beach, etc. There's just not the focus/interest on gaming as there would be when the weather starts to turn.
MightBeMagic
Member
I'm surprised and actually happy that they're being so open about it.
Usually with consoles you have to wait for teardowns to see the internals and details, as theyre worried about their competitors seeing what theyre doing, but I get the feeling MS know they have the free space to define the console how they want, with playstation and nintendo having released their consoles.
Weve already seen all the way down to the silicon, and when they do announce it all we need to see now is the box shape and the games that'll take advantage of it. Its a very refreshing direction theyre going in. Im a Sony fan but by releasing the Pro a year earlier they have made a massive mistake, and handed MS a free run until next gen.
Usually with consoles you have to wait for teardowns to see the internals and details, as theyre worried about their competitors seeing what theyre doing, but I get the feeling MS know they have the free space to define the console how they want, with playstation and nintendo having released their consoles.
Weve already seen all the way down to the silicon, and when they do announce it all we need to see now is the box shape and the games that'll take advantage of it. Its a very refreshing direction theyre going in. Im a Sony fan but by releasing the Pro a year earlier they have made a massive mistake, and handed MS a free run until next gen.
It looks like it belongs in the kitchen.
It's not an assumption. The die layout of P10 clearly shows 36 compute units.
That's also not how chip design works. The number of compute units they shove in there is arbitrary up to the maximum supported per shader engine.
Hatefilled Vengeance
Member
Messaging has been pretty on point so far. Gives me hope for a lot of cool games at E3 since they're getting all the tech stuff out of the way early. Also starting to think they'll be releasing this early, maybe before Destiny, so they can market the fact it's the best console experience for all the big games this Fall.
RedAssedApe
Banned
I would. Shadow of Mordor doesn't look like a graphical showcase right now.
More likely case imo would be Forza and other fall releases like destiny 2 and Battlefront 2 (ea access). Assuming they also have other 1st party titles ready otherwise they are gonna have a fall like 2015 sony with no exclusives and rely on third parties. Which would be weird since they don't have the battlefront and cod marketing like sony did.
No. It's an education event. Scorpio won't be there.
wesleyshark
Banned
Already a thread for this in OT, and it's unlikely it'll be anything Scorpio related, given the education slant. Maybe a new Surface for students.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
No tweets from any of the Xbox peeps so nope.
professor_t
Member
So is that developer perspective actually happening?
Liabe Brave
Member
Not "Polaris" but just "Polaris features"? I wonder why that distinction.
You're incorrect. The DX12 improvements aren't an advantage over other APIs, they were necessary to catch up with other APIs.
This is exactly what Pro does.
All this describes the Pro as well. Turn on Boost Mode once, never touch it again, and you have the exact same setup.
Well, Scorpio's boost mode is getting implemented months after Pro's.
But seriously, the stuff about "some games patched or not, some affected or not" is all true for both machines.Digital Foundry stated a Q4 release in their initial report. I don't know if this was updated info, or based on the "holiday 2017" announcement from last E3.
Again, what you're describing is exactly like Pro. Scorpio will give bigger benefits due to extra power, but the boosting/patching parameters are identical.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
MS basically selected a configuration that is similar to the 44CU 390X for their dev kit, then disabled 4CUs for yield. Just like the R9 390 I had which beats my RX 480 by around 12% in 4K. I realize the 390 has some differences like 64ROPs and only 5.1TFLOPS rating, but higher pixel fill rate. Both offer around 160GT/s texture fill rate. From DF's description of settings and performance in Forza, Scorpio beats my RX 480 clocked to 1305MHz core/2250MHz by around 25%. That's about what I would have expected from the 390/390X successor. I'm really excited about that since my PC is $850 right now on pcpartpicker not including UHD Blu-Ray and Scorpio will be $399-499. What an amazing deal.
LelouchZero
Member
Not "Polaris" but just "Polaris features"? I wonder why that distinction.
You're incorrect. The DX12 improvements aren't an advantage over other APIs, they were necessary to catch up with other APIs.
This is exactly what Pro does.
All this describes the Pro as well. Turn on Boost Mode once, never touch it again, and you have the exact same setup.
Well, Scorpio's boost mode is getting implemented months after Pros's.
Digital Foundry stated a Q4 release in their initial report. I don't know if this was updated info, or based on the "holiday 2017" announcement from last E3.
Again, what you're describing is exactly like Pro.
Isn't it slighty different though? As games will supposedly have access to all of the new hardware, however may undergo tweaks to maintain compatibility if any issues arise?
- Source (Five ways your Xbox One and 360 games will be better on Scorpio)
EDIT:
"Upgrading" from a R9 390 to a RX 480 is a somewhat strange upgrade path if you're concerned about performance. They're fairly close performers and both have 8GB of memory. Were you concerned about power consumption when you "upgraded"?
Not the exact same, because Microsoft is taking on responsibility to ensure your games still work, while Sony isn't -- they just give the option and say use at your own risk
There are also other differences like the texture filtering, if that pans out. Boost mode also doesn't use all of the CUs
D4rth Man7iz
Member
This!
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
While that article doesn't appear to provide a lot of genuinely new info, it seems Microsoft are making a genuine effort to make development for Scorpio as painless and smooth as possible, which is a great thing.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
It was a side-grade out of curiosity. I had already seen the benchmarks by that point. Sold my 390 PCS+ a couple weeks before and ended up paying the $20 difference. I wanted a 8-core AMD CPU and Polaris GPU so I could get an approximation of the PS4Pro and possibly Scorpio.
P.S.- The difference in power consumption and thermals is pretty substantial, but had nothing to do with it. I have a Core V21 case with vented metal top panel(all panels can swap so either vertical or horizontal mobo orientation is possible <3 my case). The metal top panel would get hot enough with the R9 390 PCS+ to slow cook an egg. RX 480 basically nothing. Only redeeming performance I've seen is in TW3, where it beats my old 390 by 4-5fps.
Also, RX 480 has more oc headroom. I've passed Fire Strike benchmark with a 1390MHz core. I play at 1375MHz/2050MHz for everyday use. Yields 13,256 Firestrike 2013 graphics score. Not too shabby for a $260 card in 2016.
Liabe Brave
Member
Yes, but this wasn't the stuff Inuhanyou was talking about. He was discussing which games will get boosted or require patches, which isn't different.
The difference you mention is three points, one of which isn't fully understood yet.
1. Pro only engages upclocks for Boost Mode; Scorpio engages upclick and its extra hardware. Scorpio boosts will thus usually be bigger (though still capped at the original resolution and framerate targets, so not always).
2. Pro lets the user turn off boosting if it causes a game to act wrongly. Scorpio does not give the user this power, even though point 1 potentially means more games will have issues.
3. Instead, Microsoft will individually profile every game, and turn boosting down or off, in order to make it run right again.
This last point we don't know the details of. Will it be a growing universal whitelist pushed out to all Scorpios over the network as updated? Or will it be determined at runtime by some integrated management software? If the latter, how accurate and consistent will it be?
If the former, how long will it take Microsoft to examine every game? And how will games run before they get profiled? Will they just not be boosted? Or will they boost and run badly, with no way to stop that?
This is something the next interviewer should ask about.
Jaguar Victory
Member
Wireless controller though?
arhra
Member
The exploded view/motherboard shot aren't mirrored. If you look at the high-res motherboard shot, you can easily read some of the labels on the board.
Looking at the port layout though, what I think is going on is that the whole system is assembled "upside-down", with the board on top and the cooler underneath. If it's the usual way around, with the cooler on top and the drive on the right, the ports on the back would be in the opposite order to the layout on the S, and they're stated multiple times that a goal was to make unhooking your old console and slotting in a Scorpio to be as painless as possible, so it makes sense to assume the port ordering would be the same. This would also mean that the intakes for the cooler could be hidden on the underside of the unit, and in the black lower portion of the case (assuming it roughly matches the devkit in terms of aesthetics).
TLZ
Banned
That bomb Saturn situation wasn't pleasant at all.
But this is different because it isn't a new-gen console. So should be a good surprise imo.
I may be wrong, but it may have something to do with the 'Hovis' method they were discussing in the DF video. Where they have an extremely efficient method of powering the silicon. They stated every single piece has it's own power profile.
And yes it is very impressive, probably the most of them all.
TakeItSlowDude
Member
The power supply on the One S is over-provisioned. The One S only draws around 80W while gaming. Outside of the APU/SoC the system draws around 30W. Thus you are looking at ~50W for the APU/SoC, the Scorpio's SoC power draw is probably slightly under 4x of this (<200W). I am going to guess the effect of moving from 8GB of DDR3 to 12GB of GDDR5 is negligible since the One S' DDR3 was quad channel and manufactured on an older process than the GDDR5 that is going to be used in the Scorpio. The increase in the Perf/W comes from dropping the ESRAM and probably from using more efficient VRMs. So it is reasonable to see a 245W PSU. That PSU will be specced for tighter tolerances, still over-provisioned, but not with 60W to spare.
Sounds like boost mode.