-Mutsukki-
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I'll make a note on this if I find anything weird with it when I play
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Game mode on TVs: reduces input lag, worsens picture quality
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I'll make a note on this if I find anything weird with it when I play
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
game mode adds post-processing, at least in older HDTVs, from my experience. PC mode is the one that takes away that stuff and gives you a pixel accurate representation.
The mode with the least input delay is the one with the least post-processing.
visiblemode
Member
LOL and mine...Game mode looks considerably worse. My TV is older though, could be a factor.
You shouldn't even be messign with the 10/20 point greyscale unless you have professional tools to measure the light coming off of the TV and your ambient room light. All of that should be left to the professionals.
Even someone else's settings from the same TV won't properly translate over to yours. It's really best to just leave those values default until you hire someone to do it correctly. It's not something you can just "eye" out.
Cozmogramma
Member
My old (2010) TV did this. If I used game mode the image became grey and washed out and I couldn't change the settings. Wasn't worth the reduced input lag. Now I play on my PC monitor.
JudgmentJay
Member
As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, by default most game modes have the sharpness, contrast, color, etc cranked way up by default. When you manually bring these values back down to normal, it should look close to your default movie-watching modes.
Right. I guess my weird stream of thought typing was confusing.
I was basically saying that none of that shit should exist in the first place so Game Mode shouldn't be necessary.
Pancakes R Us
Member
Game mode on the two TVs I've tried it on results in a darker picture. I then proceeded to assume all TVs just do this.
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
I notice that in game mode there are a lot of features you can't use anymore, like smooth motion and such, but like others have said those are often the things causing input lag to begin with.
I'm still on a 1080p set for now though until there are some REALLY good 4K TVs with input lag as low as a lot of the 1080p champs. And at a reasonable price too.
I'm still on a 1080p set for now though until there are some REALLY good 4K TVs with input lag as low as a lot of the 1080p champs. And at a reasonable price too.
ss_lemonade
Member
I see no drop in image quality with my w900a. I just got a Samsung ks9000 yesterday and so far, things looks good there too.
JudgmentJay
Member
That should go without saying! Then again this is GAF, home of the cool color temp defenders.
motherxwolf
Member
My old Samsung looked like crap on game mode. It was like a neon blue filtered sports mode and most of the settings were inaccessible
-Mutsukki-
Member
Yeah I really misread that ahaha. I agree!
Since everything is delivered through digital connections these years, I don't see a point to any post processing in TV's anymore. No matter if its TV, Blu-ray films. games etc. Digital media should be delivered as it comes, unaltered, and thus as fast as possible. Bit for bit, pixel for pixel.
Post processing on digital content makes it look worse.
Is there any analog devices still used widespread that need the picture to be post processed these days?
Will TV manufacturers ever get rid of it? It will save them some money hah.
Post processing on digital content makes it look worse.
Is there any analog devices still used widespread that need the picture to be post processed these days?
Will TV manufacturers ever get rid of it? It will save them some money hah.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
Game mode turns off all the extra processing crap on TV's, so it actually gives a more pure picture.
I guess some people just like the look of stuff like motionflow but if calibrated correctly, with all the crap turned off, game mode should look no different when its turned on.
I guess some people just like the look of stuff like motionflow but if calibrated correctly, with all the crap turned off, game mode should look no different when its turned on.
Might wanna include a link so we can see what your source is and how recently that was written. I've seen nothing in reviews of modern TVs that mention a significant reduction in picture quality while using game mode.
https://www.cnet.com/news/what-is-game-mode/
it's from cnet
point is, any number of things can be disabled or reduced on your tv, in order to speed up the processing(and thus lower latency)
it's not as simple as "well the tv was processing stuff extra stuff anyway, so now the picture is more pure"
it's from cnet
point is, any number of things can be disabled or reduced on your tv, in order to speed up the processing(and thus lower latency)
it's not as simple as "well the tv was processing stuff extra stuff anyway, so now the picture is more pure"
-Mutsukki-
Member
It also talks like 120 and 240 make a damn difference. Kinda suspicious.
I gotta say though, the one thing that really took a hit on my J5200 that I just set up today was sound quality. It became reeeally weird without it (but I got used to it fast enough)
4 years is... quite a long time
Insane Metal
Member
Not on my TV at least.
I wouldn't take that for granted. He presents no scientific evidence, nigh any evidence of what he wrote.
Game mode is basically turning the TV into a PC monitor, as they don't have any post processing.
Rats Off To Ya
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Years ago my brother-in-law got a widescreen TV when that wasn't a super common thing. And he would always watch 4:3 content in wide screen. I complained about it all the time, and would always change the TV to the proper aspect ratio when I was playing a game on it or something. Some time later I got a 16:9 monitor to play PS3 games on and he's all, "I thought you didn't like wide screen?"
It's, like...no, dude. That's not what it was at all.
He still buys into a lot of the TV marketing nonsense and I just smile and nod when explains his well-researched reasons for buying the TVs he does.
It doesn't do shit with the picture quality, it just kills all the postprocessing. (which in 95% of cases looks like garbage anyway)
Just calibrate your screen correctly and game mode will display your games to their full potential without any hit to IQ. Unless you actually think that the generic '2000Hz MotionFlow' postprocessing is actually a positive thing, but then you'd still be wrong.
Just calibrate your screen correctly and game mode will display your games to their full potential without any hit to IQ. Unless you actually think that the generic '2000Hz MotionFlow' postprocessing is actually a positive thing, but then you'd still be wrong.
most of the time you can't calibrate your display as well in game mode
because of the extra processing that gets turned off. it's not just stuff like motionflow interpolation
i give up
you guys believe what you want
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Peotical Injection
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Honestly, it looks great on my Sansung display. Cannot tell the difference in IQ when its on or off.
JudgmentJay
Member
Even the mods are in on it. Truly these are the end times.
Colour processing and noise reduction are not needed whatsoever. Why would colour need to be processed? Just showing the original colours is Ideal. Noise reduction on a game that will have no noise in the first place? No thanks. A poor quality TV image/signal maybe, but not a videogame image.
Rats Off To Ya
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Just got an 800D and game mode looks great. I actually prefer it to the other presets I've looked at. Then again, I've been playing my console games on computer monitors for years, so I've grown accustomed to that kind of no-nonsense presentation.
Unknown Soldier
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Good TVs don't have any image degradation in Game Mode.
Honestly for me anything that isn't PC mode is a drop in image quality.
My TV only has a sharpening filter which can look pretty ugly, so I play all my consoles in PC mode.
To each their own. I personally prefer warm but I mean the great thing about configuring TVs is that you can configure them to look great to you.
My dad has some black crush on his TV which would be a sin to commit on mine but hey I can dig people wanting to have a picture that looks good to them even if I am rather someone who wants a picture to look as closely as the author intended it.
My TV only has a sharpening filter which can look pretty ugly, so I play all my consoles in PC mode.
To each their own. I personally prefer warm but I mean the great thing about configuring TVs is that you can configure them to look great to you.
My dad has some black crush on his TV which would be a sin to commit on mine but hey I can dig people wanting to have a picture that looks good to them even if I am rather someone who wants a picture to look as closely as the author intended it.
Mercador
Member
My tv got this as Well, but it's an old lcd tv back from 2009. The game mode is at 120hz, it said it goes at 4ms (I have doubt on that) but the picture quality is not good at all. Used it two Times.
bluecapsule
Member
It disables post processing. If you like the way the post processing looks, then yeah it'll look "worse". Lots of people just turn off postprocessing anyway, so it doesn't make much of a difference.
I just leave my TV in eco mode. Input lag is good enough that I don't have to use game mode.
I just leave my TV in eco mode. Input lag is good enough that I don't have to use game mode.
Version 3.0
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I've never seen what my TV looks like on any mode other than Game Mode, except for broadcast television (I don't think I can choose a mode for that input). But I love the picture, so I'm good.
The way I see it, all that post-processing is meant to "fix" issues that the output from my game consoles shouldn't have in the first place. Like, if a PS4 is producing an image that needs post-processing on the TV to look good, that's got to be one hell of a crappy TV.
I've always assumed it's cable/satellite TV pictures that are meant to benefit from modern post-processing.
The way I see it, all that post-processing is meant to "fix" issues that the output from my game consoles shouldn't have in the first place. Like, if a PS4 is producing an image that needs post-processing on the TV to look good, that's got to be one hell of a crappy TV.
I've always assumed it's cable/satellite TV pictures that are meant to benefit from modern post-processing.
thisisamul
Neo Member
One thing people might mistake for a "drop" in image quality mode - when I first enabled game mode on my JS8500 I did notice a difference in picture quality. However, it turns out that enabling game mode the first time lowered contrast, backlight, and a few other settings. Once changing it to match settings prior to enabling game mode, the picture pretty much looked exactly the same.
And to echo other points - the post processing stuff is really only needed for lower quality sources such as cable, Netflix, Amazon, etc. where the source is heavily compressed.
For consoles, all post processing off should be standard.
And to echo other points - the post processing stuff is really only needed for lower quality sources such as cable, Netflix, Amazon, etc. where the source is heavily compressed.
For consoles, all post processing off should be standard.