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Gamecube magic: Wind Waker Tech analysis.

StuBurns

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Not really on-topic, but having played SS, and gone back a little, WW is really not the cohesive aesthetic I thought it was at the time. That screen is a good example, the town texture work makes Link look really out of place.
 

Mama Robotnik

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Really interesting!

It shows what a powerhouse of a game WW is, not to mention how powerful the humble Gamecube actually was!
 

EmCeeGramr

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Not really on-topic, but having played SS, and gone back a little, WW is really not the cohesive aesthetic I thought it was at the time. That screen is a good example, the town texture work makes Link look really out of place.
I think it totally works. It's like a cartoon where you can tell where something is a character or important object because it's relatively plain in coloration compared to the painted backgrounds.
 

Levyne

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I think it totally works. It's like a cartoon where you can tell where something is a character or important object because it's relatively plain in coloration compared to the painted backgrounds.
This used to bug me all the time in old Scooby Doo episodes and the such.

"They're going to use that door! It looks different!"
 

Trevelyan9999

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I like the graphics in Skyward Sword, but no Zelda game has ever looked as good as Wind Waker. Was the Gamecube using the Flicker Filter to minimize the jaggies? Why doesn't the Wii use the same thing for current games?
 

Htown

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Not really on-topic, but having played SS, and gone back a little, WW is really not the cohesive aesthetic I thought it was at the time. That screen is a good example, the town texture work makes Link look really out of place.
it's probably less of a deal on an SD screen
 

RoboPlato

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Wind Waker's water used tessellation? Holy shit. I didn't even know that existed back then.
 

JordanN

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Wind Waker's water used tessellation? Holy shit. I didn't even know that existed back then.
Tessellation in games actually goes as far back as 2001, where the ATI R200 supported a primitive version called "Truform".

But consider Gamecube was worked on in 1999, where the tech for it may not have been implemented natively, so it was done through software?
 
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The lack of culling is not surprising for Nintendo, I get the feeling they prefer to optimise for worst case scenarios rather than best case. Z culling probably prevents most of that actually being drawn anyway but they still need to attempt to draw them.


Wind Waker's water used tessellation? Holy shit. I didn't even know that existed back then.
Looking at the picture, I don't think they're meaning tessellation in a dynamic gpu LOD sense. The water is simply divided into lots of equally sized triangles. It's surprising how many triangles they're using on the horizon, really.
 

RoboPlato

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Tessellation in games actually goes as far back as 2001, where the ATI R200 supported a primitive version called "Truform".

But consider Gamecube was worked on in 1999, where the tech for it may not have been implemented natively, so it was done through software?
I didn't know that. Interesting.

Looking at the picture, I don't think they're meaning tessellation in a dynamic gpu LOD sense. The water is simply divided into lots of equally sized triangles. It's surprising how many triangles they're using on the horizon, really.
That makes sense. Still, really impressive though.
 

LCGeek

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Already loving this article.

Next to RE4 and some of the tricks in rouge leader this without a doubt proves at least two nuts at Beyond3d about through nintendo knew how to exploit the system. Some of the light or texturing insights are beyond what I expected for the game of it's type.

Nintendo really should be making this kind of creative use of their power more familiar to third parties.
 

Reallink

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I wonder if Nintendo still has any of this software engineering talent left (as in the individuals), or if a lot of them jumped ship with Wii. I would have to imagine they've lost a few who wanted to continue pushing boundaries and remain on the (relative) cutting edge, which was obviously not what Wii was about.
 

tedtropy

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Love learning these sort of technical details about older games I really enjoy. To this day I enjoy reading about all the tricks Carmack did to get the Doom engine screaming on the hardware of the time, etc.
 
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This is an amazing read. Thank you. I'd like to see the same analysis on a game like Super Mario Galaxy. This actually reminds me a bit of Iwata Asks. I like reading about how Nintendo achieves certain things.
 

Mr. F

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This is an amazing read. Thank you. I'd like to see the same analysis on a game like Super Mario Galaxy. This actually reminds me a bit of Iwata Asks. I like reading about how Nintendo achieves certain things.
I really wish Nintendo and other devs in general would put these kinds of technical behind the scenes looks out there. So many games are begging for a coffee table book or something chronicling the development of the title from both an artistic and technical perspective (and I would buy them all). Absolutely fascinating when we get small glimpses into the process - Iwata Asks is definitely a much appreciated step in the right direction.
 

Medalion

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Not saying the original game wasn't da shiz

but they are dissecting an emulated version of the game with enhanced effects and filters and shit
 

ivysaur12

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Please HD remake this with better sailing, 2 more dungeons, and more difficulty. Thank you.