papersleeves
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Yup, that's credibility.
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Games Journalism! Wainwright/Florence/Tomb Raider/Eurogamer/Libel Threats/Doritos
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Yup, that's credibility.
lol
I love this guy.
SolidSnakex
Member
Why do people even bother doing this shit? It's the internet, so it's not going away because you delete it from your profile.
funkystudent
Member
Indeed.
Eurogamer's actions where questionable. You could argue they had no other option. They are a small site relative to the bug boys about dont want any cases bright against them. The guy was only a freelancer writing as feature every few weeks and has only been writing for them a few months. It understandable but it still shows no they have no backbone.
But Lauren's / MVC's actions where are right unforgivable here.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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ElRenoRaven
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That is just sad isn't it. To just try and cover up shit when everyone is already looking your way is just really pathetic and isn't going to work. Case in point her edit to that.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
She definitely removed that entry.
Was curious... "Games Studies" is a major in college now?
Christ, no wonder we're going down the tubes.
InaudibleWhispa
Member
I'm not sure. One of her tweets before this all kicked off was along the lines of "Looks like I'm finally going to get some use out of that media law course".
Hot Coldman
Banned
I remember when Jeff Gerstmann talked about that trip. He said he'd have preferred not too, but the choice was between being able to report on Capcom's games- something the GB audience would definitely want- and not doing that. Similarly, he said going to Rome was a pain in the arse but at least he got to talk candidly with the Resi 6 producers.
So it's a judgement call with shit like that. Ideally, publishers grow up and stop thinking they need to woo the press with luxury- or simply slash their marketing budgets.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Oh never mind. Dat Square Enix buried in the middle. lol
She might as well change her name. Removing the entry on the internet era is another poor decision made by someone that doesn't know what she's doing and probably thinks any publicity is good publicity.
Without suing for libel the article would have been forgotten in less than 3 days, now everyone will remember her name and her shady association with publishers while working on the press side at the same time.
The last time I've seen this kind of public self-destruction was Paul Christoforo.
ElRenoRaven
Gold Member
Look closer. It's a very minor but pretty damn big change.
*Edit* damn caught it while replying. lol
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
I don't know why MVC would stoop down to actually sue based on a little blurb in a non-regular freelance column on a puny Games website. It seems likely it was initiated by her.
Oh...
Wait, just to be sure, is this something only she can edit, or is it an open wiki thing?
Nice reduction and misrepresentation of the facts, dude.
Jesus, maybe if they slashed the budget on luxury trips to incorporate more stringent quality control, we wouldn't have received the bombastic mess that was RE6
lol, who is she trying to fool?
EternalGamer
Banned
The girl raving about Tomb Raider and swearing that she was genuinely a fan girl of it on her Twitter feed and screaming about how she didn't understand the concept of "conflict of interest" just deleted the fact that she worked for Square-Enix (Tomb Raider's publisher) from her bio.
Geoff wasn't "singled out" so much as used as the entry point to a much deeper and more pervasive problem. The point of the article is that this has become such an invisible and accepted part of the industry that something like Geoff's blatant corporate schilling seemed totally acceptable for him to do. Nothing wrong with advertising to pay the bills, but that was gross.
And Rab was totally right in calling out the close relationships between PR and journalists. It's a very permeable barrier between the two (romantic relationships, friendships, career transitions, etc). It's the exact reason why prohibitions against "conflict of interest" exist in the first place. Even if most sites follow the letter of the law, they often miss entirely the intent behind those standards.
Or, PR want to go somewhere nice. Or, they pick a location well served by international airlines so they can get global media there. Or, they pick somewhere nice to bring their devs for a few days. Or, all of those things. I think Captivate is an important event on a yearly basis. I refused the opportunity to go this year though. That trip was a clusterfuck scheduled right into PAX East.
This is the amazing thing to me about blowups like this. Have PR managers and lawyers not learned ANYTHING in the past 10 years? Without the threats to sue then I would not know who Lauren was (I don't read the Sun, thanks) but now I will always associate her AND the Sun with shady ass practices and hilarious attempts at hiding the evidence.
Great job guys.
ROBOKITTYZILLA
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lol... this is just beyond sad.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...-wainwright+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=safari
I think Intent being accused of corruption is a bit much though. I think they were just solely acting to try and protect a staffer. I'm not sure they knew about her work with S-E or were trying to 'cover it all up' or anything.
I think Intent being accused of corruption is a bit much though. I think they were just solely acting to try and protect a staffer. I'm not sure they knew about her work with S-E or were trying to 'cover it all up' or anything.
Hot Coldman
Banned
I'm not sure that's how budgeting works, but OK!
You're right in that Capcom needs to learn how to spend its money, though
I know about the first/third point, can't really say more than "well, fair enough" to that one, although my personal approach would be to make an easy saving there and host a more stripped-back event. Still, maybe I'm just an asshole and in that situation, I'd want to get out and see the world myself. Second one is true- Rome seems to make a hell of a lot more sense than Hawaii in that respect (more so than Miami too, really).
Captivate is important. I was trying to say that it's perfectly understandable why press would attend, even though it initially looks a bit weird due to looking like a nice holiday. It's a big event. Hell, the Hawaii one was very important, given it had Marvel 3.
Oh lord. This is really a mess.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Sponsored by Caffiene-fueled Mountain Dew. There's no teabagging like caffeinated teabagging!
A classic song. Shawn Elliott is the voice we need in game journalism. Too bad he has moved on to bigger and better things.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yeah. Amazing.
You can't fool the internet. Now any time someone Googles her name, all of this shit will appear.
...cause caffeinated teabaggin' don't stop?
Publishers aren't about to "grow up." The responsibility lies entirely with those covering games. Have some basic ethical standards and stick to them. Clearly, many of us here care about ethical standards, so they'd attract readers if they were open, transparent, and consistent in sticking to those standards.
Without them, you end up with exactly this media storm.
Maybe she just quit working for SE? Maybe after this debacle, she re-evaluated her working ethics and is trying to do the right thing?
Eh, who am I kidding.
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There are no words. She just keeps digging a deeper hole.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Brilliant! You're hired! Sit behind Keighley and hold that box straight!
Metalmurphy
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WOW...
Just admit defeat for crying out loud. Once on the internet, always on the internet.
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Deleted member 17706
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I love how arrogant these people get, all while spewing complete bullshit, after they get called out on something.
Not sure if this is true. Based on GAF reaction to DLC vs. DLC sales, I wouldn't be surprised if GAF reaction to games journalism vs. games journalism webpage impressions were hilariously inverted.
I honestly felt that she did all the damage she could do and couldn't possibly make herself look any worse. Now she's trying to conceal her biases and removing all evidence of her extreme conflict of interests. Rotten to the core.
yeah with the permanence of this stuff online she's going to really regret creating all this mess over a single negative comment once it's settled down and she can look back.
sad story for all involved. as enjoyable as the streisand effect propelled backlash has been.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Just realized Lauren has stopped following me. Am I that annoying?
When GAF and 4chan unites, the hydra grows. HAIL HYDRA!
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