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herod

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A lot covered this month. Searched but could not find.



Skyrim - 9
Batman: Arkham City - 9
Uncharted 3 - 9
Kirby Mass Attack - 8
CoD MW3 - 8
Halo CE Anniversary - 8
Assassin's Creed Revelations - 8
Dance Central 2 - 8
King of Fighters XIII - 8
Saints Row: The Third - 7
Rayman Origins - 7
Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 - 7
Battlefield 3 - 7
Sonic Generations - 7
Real Steel - 6
Tintin - 6
Raving Rabbids Alive & Kicking - 6
Kinect Sports: Season Two - 5
Shinobi - 4
Disney Universe - 3
 

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Wow, BF3 got a 7, and MW3 got an 8.......
I'd say that these look to be the most well rounded reviews yet.....
 

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Hmm, Zelda?
 

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'GAMES THAT WILL SHAPE THE FUTURE: GTA V AND HALO 4'

I'm so glad that you guys have so little imagination. Makes me all warm and fuzzy.
 

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A 7 for Saints Row is being very generous. Everything else looks to be in order, nothing surprising.
 
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Rayman Origins - 7
Battlefield 3 - 7
Completely disagree with these two. Rayman: Origins is a fantastic 2D platformer full of creativity and charm, and BF3 is a MP shooter for the ages. I can only assume BF3 got a 7 based on the SP campaign but I think it is ridiculous to give much weight to that aspect of the game. I've played 47 hours of MP and about 3 of SP, and I'd imagine that those numbers are pretty normal for most Battlefield fans in terms of the ratio.

Saying that the SP is just as important as the MP in BF3 is like saying the opposite for Dead Space 2. Clearly some games are designed with one or two components being the primary draw, and I feel like a lot of reviewers miss that.
 

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Actally a fair score in it's current state. I believe Rare has said it will be adding content every month but so far Kinect sports 2 is not a patch on 1.

They will probably keep adding stuff as long as they're still in business and Season 3 is believed to be their next project. Pure Rarity also confirmed that the fabled Viva Pinata: TIP Team that was the last group doing something else since Scott arrived has been absorbed into the Kinect Sports group.
 

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Completely disagree with these two. Rayman: Origins is a fantastic 2D platformer full of creativity and charm, and BF3 is a MP shooter for the ages. I can only assume BF3 got a 7 based on the SP campaign but I think it is ridiculous to give much weight to that aspect of the game. I've played 47 hours of MP and about 3 of SP, and I'd imagine that those numbers are pretty normal for most Battlefield fans in terms of the ratio.

Saying that the SP is just as important as the MP in BF3 is like saying the opposite for Dead Space 2. Clearly some games are designed with one or two components being the primary draw, and I feel like a lot of reviewers miss that.

I don't know about Rayman, but While BF3 is improved in any way, its not as fun as BC2.
 

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Completely disagree with these two. Rayman: Origins is a fantastic 2D platformer full of creativity and charm, and BF3 is a MP shooter for the ages. I can only assume BF3 got a 7 based on the SP campaign but I think it is ridiculous to give much weight to that aspect of the game. I've played 47 hours of MP and about 3 of SP, and I'd imagine that those numbers are pretty normal for most Battlefield fans in terms of the ratio.

Saying that the SP is just as important as the MP in BF3 is like saying the opposite for Dead Space 2. Clearly some games are designed with one or two components being the primary draw, and I feel like a lot of reviewers miss that.

They at least say it's the premier multiplayer shooter, but they have to consider the buggy single player in the score. If DICE didn't want it considered then they should have removed it and charged less money.
 

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They at least say it's the premier multiplayer shooter, but they have to consider the buggy single player in the score. If DICE didn't want it considered then they should have removed it and added more MP content.

Fixed
 

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The King of Fighters XIII - 8
Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 - 7

Im not into reviews but this is quite surprising.
 
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I don't know about Rayman, but While BF3 is improved in any way, its not as fun as BC2.
I had tons of fun with both games but I think BF3 is better. I play rush only on PS3 though so I don't have a valid opinion regarding the PC version.

I put about 5 days into BC2's MP so I definitely understand and appreciate its greatness. I just think BF3 is improved in terms of the gunplay and design. There were a lot of minor tweaks made to the standard rush formula that really benefit the game, not to mention the other changes made to the classes and unlocks. I also think all of the maps are fantastic for rush.

They at least say it's the premier multiplayer shooter, but they have to consider the buggy single player in the score. If DICE didn't want it considered then they should have removed it and charged less money.
It's not the consideration of it that bothers me, it's the amount of weight that it's given. I'm guessing that they're looking at a split of something like 40/40/20 for MP/SP/co-op when I feel like the game should be graded closer to something like 80/10/10.
 

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I had tons of fun with both games but I think BF3 is better. I play rush only on PS3 though so I don't have a valid opinion regarding the PC version.

I put about 5 days into BC2's MP so I definitely understand and appreciate its greatness. I just think BF3 is improved in terms of the gunplay and design. There were a lot of minor tweaks made to the standard rush formula that really benefit the game, not to mention the other changes made to the classes and unlocks. I also think all of the maps are fantastic for rush.


It's not the consideration of it that bothers me, it's the amount of weight that it's given. I'm guessing that they're looking at a split of something like 40/40/20 for MP/SP/co-op when I feel like the game should be graded closer to something like 80/10/10.

So they knocked maybe 1 or 2 points off for it, I don't really see the significant weighting here?
 
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So they knocked maybe 1 or 2 points off for it, I don't really see the significant weighting here?
If the SP was given 10% of the weight, which I think it should be given, and they took off a point from the entire score then that would mean they graded the SP a 0/10. If it was given 20% of the weight and they took off two points for it then it would still be a 0/10 for the SP.

Here's how I think it should look hypothetically. If the SP gets a 5/10, the co-op a 6/10, and the MP a 9/10, the final score would be an 8.3 after a weighted average. And this is with fairly low scores, I personally would give the SP at least a 6.5 or so based on what I've seen so far, and a 9.5-10/10 for the MP.

I know it's stupid to go on like this about reviews but it's just something that bothers me. There is no way that the SP in BF3 should be considered more than 20% of the total package given the fact that it's a Battlefield game.
 

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They at least say it's the premier multiplayer shooter, but they have to consider the buggy single player in the score. If DICE didn't want it considered then they should have removed it and charged less money.

Yup. They didn't have to take on Call of Duty. They could have quite easily said, 'no we're doing our own thing' without the fan flaming. Now that shit is worse than ever.

I don't think Battlefield should get any special treatment, either. It's like Bethesda and bugs.
 

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They at least say it's the premier multiplayer shooter, but they have to consider the buggy single player in the score. If DICE didn't want it considered then they should have removed it and charged less money.

I don't see why you have to. A game is as good as its best set of rules and BF3's single player and multiplayer are almost entirely unrelated. I mean both that they are very different and they don't have an effect on each other(one doesn't make the other worse simply by existing). People certainly don't do it the other way around(Bioshock 2, Dead Space 2, etc etc).

Whether a game gets it 8-9-10 out of 10 solely because of the multiplayer or single player should be understood by the time the reader is done with the review.
 

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I don't see why you have to. A game is as good as its best set of rules and BF3's single player and multiplayer are almost entirely unrelated. I mean both that they are very different and they don't have an effect on each other(one doesn't make the other worse simply by existing). People certainly don't do it the other way around(Bioshock 2, Dead Space 2, etc etc).

They should though, really.

Just as Skyrim probably should've been docked for a texture bug that every reviewer missed. Same for Uncharted 3, to a lesser extent.

Reviewers should be more accountable, period.
 

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They should though, really.

Just as Skyrim probably should've been docked for a texture bug that every reviewer missed. Same for Uncharted 3, to a lesser extent.

Not necessarily. The point of scores is to separate games into ranks/groups ordered from which you consider worst to best. A game could have a dozen noticeable bugs and still manage to be in the 9th or 10th group(or better yet, the one thumb or two thumb group) if they didn't make the game worse enough to matter. Kind of funny people so easily lose sight of that.
 

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Not necessarily. The point of scores is to separate games into ranks/groups ordered from which you consider worst to best. A game could have a dozen noticeable bugs and still manage to be in the 9th or 10th group(or better yet, the one thumb or two thumb group) if they didn't make the game worse enough to matter. Kind of funny people so easily lose sight of that.

Fair enough. I do think that your point concerns bugs, etc more than it does game modes (my argument was all encompassing, too, in all fairness). Nevertheless, it does irk me when developers get a free pass - particularly when it comes to technical issues.

As for BF3, I feel that including the single-player in the score is necessary if DICE actually want to pursue that route. Being critical of the SP (even to the extent that it detracts from the MP) means that DICE will, ideally, either leave it out entirely or feel compelled enough to improve it. Simply ignoring SP allows DICE to release another product with a shoddy campaign in a few years and, well, 'get away with it'. There's no basis for improving what ought to be improved. Regardless, it will be interesting to see the level of effort put into a hypothetical BF4 campaign, given what we've heard about the EA PR machine.

Oh, and just don't go in the U3 thread, whatever you do!
 

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Fair enough. I do think that your point concerns bugs, etc more than it does game modes (my argument was all encompassing, too, in all fairness). Nevertheless, it does irk me when developers get a free pass - particularly when it comes to technical issues.

As for BF3, I feel that including the single-player in the score is necessary if DICE actually want to pursue that route. Being critical of the SP (even to the extent that it detracts from the MP) means that DICE will, ideally, either leave it out entirely or feel compelled enough to improve it. Simply ignoring SP allows DICE to release another product with a shoddy campaign in a few years and, well, 'get away with it'. There's no basis for improving what ought to be improved. Regardless, it will be interesting to see the level of effort put into a hypothetical BF4 campaign, given what we've heard about the EA PR machine.

Oh, and just don't go in the U3 thread, whatever you do!

If you ignore that reviews are written works first and foremost, then perhaps.
 
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The King of Fighters XIII - 8
Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 - 7

Im not into reviews but this is quite surprising.

Not really Feeerrrrrsis!

KOFXIII is a big improvement over a terrible game that was released two years ago.

Ultimate Marvel is a marginal improvement over an okay game that was released like 8 months ago.
 
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As for BF3, I feel that including the single-player in the score is necessary if DICE actually want to pursue that route. Being critical of the SP (even to the extent that it detracts from the MP) means that DICE will, ideally, either leave it out entirely or feel compelled enough to improve it. Simply ignoring SP allows DICE to release another product with a shoddy campaign in a few years and, well, 'get away with it'. There's no basis for improving what ought to be improved. Regardless, it will be interesting to see the level of effort put into a hypothetical BF4 campaign, given what we've heard about the EA PR machine.
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I have no problem with DICE being held accountable for the BF3 SP campaign and for it being considered in the review, I have a problem with just how much it is considered. Anyone with a general understanding of the gaming industry should be able to tell you that the SP in BF isn't as important as the MP to the vast majority of potential buyers --- which begs the question, how important is the SP? Once again I'll claim that giving the SP of BF3 anything more than 20% of the total weight is ridiculous and out of touch.