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Opinion Drama Gaming as I knew it is dying

Roxkis_ii

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Triggered much, don’t get mad
It's something about Sony making mature games that really rubs you the wrong way, and you know what? That's okay. PlayStation derangement syndrome can easily be remedied.

Ps4's are cheaper then they have ever been.
 

SinDelta

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It may seem that way at times OP, but there are a lot of games of different genres to look forward to if you know where to look.

Age of Empires IV
Ace Attorney The Great Detective
Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora
Advance Wars 1+2 Re-Boot Camp
Breath of the Wild 2
The Callisto Protocol
Elden Ring
Forza Horizon V
Fable
Final Fantasy XVI
Forspoken
Ghost of Tushima 2
God of War 2 Ragnarok
Horizon Forbidden West
Halo Infinite
Hellblade 2
Humankind
Hogwarts Legacy
Indiana Jones
James Bond
Jedi Fallen Order 2
Monster Hunter Stories 2 Wings of Ruin
Metroid Dread
Metal Slug Tactics
Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Light
Mario Golf Super Rush
Perfect Dark
Pokemon Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl
Pokémon Legends: Arceus
No More Heroes 3
NEO The World Ends With You
Star Field
Shin megami tensei V
Total Warhammer III

Danjin44 Danjin44 And you just know Vanillaware has something in store.
 
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Danjin44

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Danjin44 Danjin44 And you just know Vanillaware has something in store.
 
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Azelover

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That's pretty sad, man.
No don't be.

I didn't say I wasn't enjoying myself anymore. But Chrono Trigger was very special in my life as a gamer... nothing can compare to it.
 
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Spaceman292

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Couple of background details: I have been gaming since 1993, been out of the hobby for some years in the 00's. Had a NES, SNES, PS1, PS2, Gaming PCs, Nintendo Wii so I have played (just like most of you) a ton of games through the years. I try to always be optimistic about the hobby, didn't say anything about last year gaming shows, but this... this is already a recurring theme and it has nothing to do with the pandemic.

Maybe the gaming industry is slowly pushing us folks in our 30s away from it? I am seeing game reveal after game reveal, and barring a few exceptions it seems like the games I am seeing do not target me at all. When I was a teenager I always expected this industry to progress, better graphics, more immersive worlds, better gameplay, better stories. But now I am seeing that we are going on the opposite direction.

I know that there are quite a few games to look forward to: Avowed, TES VI, Halo Infinite, Starfield, FH5, BoTW2, Prime 4, Bayo 3, Horizon 2, God of War Ragnarok, GT7, Elden Ring and more. But other than first party devs and a few select third parties, it seems that no one tries to create campaign based single player games anymore. There are also genres that are not being catered at all, survival horror, car combat, arcade racing, inmersive sims, character action games and more, genres that were the cornerstone of gaming in past generations.

Seeing how Arkane had to restort to co op trash because Prey and Dishonored 2 didn't set the world on fire is so dissapointing. Maybe their first game after MS acquisition will be a return to form. Also what's about games being so colourful and having that horrendous Fortnitey artstyle? The Pimkin/Animal Crossing Great Value editions? And don't get me started on the eternal hard on indie devs have for 8bit styled games. Also if a game looks like a proper modern 3D game, chances are its Co Op or MMO... Maybe the backlash against games of the sixth/seventh gen, the grey/brown era was too overblown.

Honestly if most indie devs keep resorting to 8bit or 16 bit throwback games, they have no chance competing against a Retropie or a chinese handheld with Retroarch on it.

Where are the indie devs trying to top Silent Hill, Fatal Frame, Project Gotham Racing, Vagrant Story, Legacy of Kain, SF Alpha III, Twisted Metal, Slyphon Filter, Devil May Cry and many more?

Sorry for the long rant but I had to get this off my chest. Maybe someone in their teens can weigh in to put some perspective? Are single player story based games not popular anymore unless they have best in class production values?
If there was a microsoft word template for a Neogaf post, this is what it would look like.
 

NinjaBoiX

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I agree the artstyle of Arkanes new game is a let down. Sick of all the goofy Fortnight art styles.
Truth.

I’m playing Prey at the moment and man, the art style (mainly the characters) is so gross.

It just looks really rough and shoddy, like placeholder assets.
 

SinDelta

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There have been photos of concept for a fantasy project, a shield and emblem.

Also interviews.


Before 13 Sentinals Released Vanillaware was hiring for a separate project.

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Bl@ckHunter

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Couple of background details: I have been gaming since 1993, been out of the hobby for some years in the 00's. Had a NES, SNES, PS1, PS2, Gaming PCs, Nintendo Wii so I have played (just like most of you) a ton of games through the years. I try to always be optimistic about the hobby, didn't say anything about last year gaming shows, but this... this is already a recurring theme and it has nothing to do with the pandemic.

Maybe the gaming industry is slowly pushing us folks in our 30s away from it? I am seeing game reveal after game reveal, and barring a few exceptions it seems like the games I am seeing do not target me at all. When I was a teenager I always expected this industry to progress, better graphics, more immersive worlds, better gameplay, better stories. But now I am seeing that we are going on the opposite direction.

I know that there are quite a few games to look forward to: Avowed, TES VI, Halo Infinite, Starfield, FH5, BoTW2, Prime 4, Bayo 3, Horizon 2, God of War Ragnarok, GT7, Elden Ring and more. But other than first party devs and a few select third parties, it seems that no one tries to create campaign based single player games anymore. There are also genres that are not being catered at all, survival horror, car combat, arcade racing, inmersive sims, character action games and more, genres that were the cornerstone of gaming in past generations.

Seeing how Arkane had to restort to co op trash because Prey and Dishonored 2 didn't set the world on fire is so dissapointing. Maybe their first game after MS acquisition will be a return to form. Also what's about games being so colourful and having that horrendous Fortnitey artstyle? The Pimkin/Animal Crossing Great Value editions? And don't get me started on the eternal hard on indie devs have for 8bit styled games. Also if a game looks like a proper modern 3D game, chances are its Co Op or MMO... Maybe the backlash against games of the sixth/seventh gen, the grey/brown era was too overblown.

Honestly if most indie devs keep resorting to 8bit or 16 bit throwback games, they have no chance competing against a Retropie or a chinese handheld with Retroarch on it.

Where are the indie devs trying to top Silent Hill, Fatal Frame, Project Gotham Racing, Vagrant Story, Legacy of Kain, SF Alpha III, Twisted Metal, Slyphon Filter, Devil May Cry and many more?

Sorry for the long rant but I had to get this off my chest. Maybe someone in their teens can weigh in to put some perspective? Are single player story based games not popular anymore unless they have best in class production values?
We're just getting old.
 
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I'll be 40 next month and i think videogames are better then ever! It's my passion , my only problem with gaming is i don't have enough time to play, stupid fucking slaving as to be done to afford more games that i won't have time to play.
 

Virt McPolygon

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I'm probably in the same age group as OP and while most AAA games don't appeal to me, I'm still having fun with stuff like Knockout City, Chivalry 2, Yakuza etc in addition to indies. There's still a shitload of variety, you just have to do a little digging to find something that appeals to you.

If you don't make an effort to find creative stuff to at least try, then this argument is just as annoying as "Music sucks now!" when all someone exposes themselves to is whatever's on TV shows/top 40 playlists.
 

GymWolf

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Yeah i don't know, i'm still having a lot of fun and i started playing 31 years ago.
 

kyussman

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The current gaming trends towards live service,shared world co-op and multiplayer battle royale certainly aren't to my tastes.....but there are still enough single player games around to keep my interest in gaming.I'm sure I will probably buy less games this gen than in previous ones because of these trends but hey,I'll just think of the money I've saved,lol.
 

ACESHIGH

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Hey guys thanks for your replies, even if we may have different opinions on the matter. Just wanted to clarify that I am stil enjoying gaming a lot. Playing games across all eras. But I believe that there's something missing: The void left by a giant like Konami could not be filled in by any indie dev. Same for a lot of AA studios lost in the transition to HD gaming. Ubisoft/EA have a lot of dormant IPs they choose to release generic multiplayer shooters. How about updating the ones you have and release some lower budget single player games as well?

Maybe AA studios are in the worst position these days. Most gamers seem to be really critical of games like Elex, Greedfall, Technomancer, Biomutant, Daymare 1998, Dangerous Driving and more. Jank and lack of polish seem to be the common complaint. When measured against the best of the best AAA (because after all, they are modern looking 3D games) these games are put in a position where they cant win.

So many indie devs resort to the tried and true formulas: 8/16 bit metroidvania/ roguelikes/hide and seek simulators/visual novels/survival. Maybe my expectations were overblown: I expected that the indie devs that had a big hit would be able to get more funding and release more ambitious games to become the next generation of mid tier studios. Of course that did not happen.

Its either that or the big publishers allocating funding towards lower budget single player games. I'm sure games like Mirrors Edge, Shadows of the Dammed, or Dead Space must not cost as much as Battlefield to EA. But when GaaS are more profitable than releasing a proper single player game I can't really blame them. That's why I thought it would be interesting to have the opinion of users much younger than I am. Because from their point of view it would be better to spend money on skins/battle passes/in game currency than a brand new single player game.
 

DaGwaphics

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@ A ACESHIGH I feel you in regards to some genres being underrepresented, but if you look around there are still a lot of great titles out there. My biggest gripe today is probably the single player game with 5 minutes of cutscene for every 1 minute of gameplay. They should have stuck to brief scenes setup levels/stages and called it a day! :messenger_beaming:

Now back to previous activities...
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MikeM

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Games aren't made for adults anymore, hell they aren't even made for kids.

Today's games are made for purple haired morons and overgrown 30 plus year old neckbeards living at their mom's. If you identify as one of those you will probably love what's on offer.

I guess I missed the memo. I love what's out there and the diversity of options from indies to AAA. There are games for literally everyone's taste. Even how you consume games has options (i.e. buy at retail, online, or play through subs/GamePass).
 
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Theninjagecko

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I guess I missed the memo. I love what's out there and the diversity of options from indies to AAA. There are games for literally everyone's taste. Even how you consume games has options (i.e. buy at retail, online, or play through subs/GamePass).

I rest my case.
 
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Dave_at_Home

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This describes what it's about for many of us. Gaming is bigger, better and more diverse than ever. But being close to 40 and gaming since the early 90s we've seen a lot before. Graphics alone isn't enough to impress.

I think this partly goes for new consoles too. I bought the Series X a few weeks ago and for the first time I failed to have that exciting next-gen feeling in my stomach when unboxing and plugging it in. PS5 isn't that exciting either. I'll enjoy my time with both for years to come, but I sort of miss being so excited about new games and hardware.
I get where you're coming from. :messenger_weary:

I'm 35, and most of gaming, period, doesn't surprise me. I have a Series X sitting in my den next to me and have yet to hook it up. This is mostly due to my desire to upgrade my living room television. Still haven't pulled the trigger yet but leaning toward a 55' Samsung QN90A. Anyway, you're right, as pretty as something like ray tracing is, graphics are simply not enough to get me pumped. I want new and interesting experiences on the AAA level. I guess it shouldn't be any real surprise coming from gamers our age, after all, we have seen and played so much already. Pretty normal attitude. I do think some of this attitude may also be related due to tech limitations of last gen consoles. Feels like we've been playing the same AAA games since 2007. PS4/Xbox One games coming out from the AAA studios are honestly just prettier versions of what came out during the 360/PS3 gen.

Again, don't get me wrong, we've gotten some awesome stuff over the years that I've enjoyed. I'm just glad these new systems are so far more capable than the last. Thinking back to PS4/Xbox One, the day they were released, they both had a very weak CPU, okay GPU, decent jump in RAM, but the same slow storage as previous gen. Not much of an upgrade and I believe that held things back. Not this time around. Both companies really pushed their tech, and with all the new tools taking advantage of it, I think we're gonna see some interesting gameplay from the AAA space. It's just gonna take a little bit more time. We've only gotten a taste of it so far. I hope 2022 is a blow out year for these systems.
 
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