Only a very small number of people in those teams would actually be working on the NX version (or even necessarily know that there's an NX version). And considering games like AC, COD, Destiny, etc, have hundreds of people working on each of them, it's actually surprising how few leaks we get. Hell, I don't think we have any idea what Rockstar's working on, and they have a staff of 900 people, most of whom must have been working on something for the two and a half years since GTAV released.
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Gaming Bolt: Unravel dev: Nintendo is very secretive about NX, Unravel port talk.
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Only a very small number of people in those teams would actually be working on the NX version (or even necessarily know that there's an NX version). And considering games like AC, COD, Destiny, etc, have hundreds of people working on each of them, it's actually surprising how few leaks we get. Hell, I don't think we have any idea what Rockstar's working on, and they have a staff of 900 people, most of whom must have been working on something for the two and a half years since GTAV released.
Unbelievable. Ori is one of the best games from 2015 (and I was seriously considering getting an X1 for this, Rare Replay and Killer Instinct last year) and Nintendo is just ignoring them for no good reason?
.....While a lot is pointing to the NX launching in 2016, I'm starting to think the console/handheld is launching in 2017.
They have enough Wii U and 3DS stuff to ride out the rest of 2016 and then they can launch the NX platforms in Early 2017 when more software is ready or something. Just such a shame hearing that great developers are not having the chance to work on NX due to Nintendo not sending out Dev-Kits.
ArchedThunder
Banned
NX information is probably on a need to know basis, if you aren't working on the NX version of the game you might not even know it exists.
Because being selective and making decisions with publishers on what games should be worked on before the announcement means no games.
NX SDKs and devkits are out there, we know this, Nintendo is just being secretive and selective for the time being and until the reveal indies are probably on the bottom of their list for multiple reasons.
To be honest, he also says that Nintendo's not alone in that specific treatment.
thomasmahler
Member
You truly think Nintendo would be well-advised giving NX kits to Rockstar? Why would Rockstar care at this point about the NX? When was the last time Nintendo did anything for Nintendo machines? Yes, they could port GTAV and yes, that would be a good thing, but it's an old game by now that's already on every other system, so it probably wouldn't have that big of an impact. Nobody was excited about playing an old version of Batman on the WiiU, I doubt a GTAV port for NX would kick up much fuss.
Nintendo shouldn't just support the big studios that MOST LIKELY aren't going to be too hot on putting a lot of development resources into an unproven system with an installed base of 0. They should have a few people who're spotting out smaller studios that could theoretically have shipped something on NX at or near launch - And they shouldn't be as crazy secretive about it as they are. Yes, Nintendo is constantly and always being copied - for god reasons. But we live in a time where what really matters is good software, not another hardware gimmick.
Nintendo should be out there, trying to get at the very least timed-exclusives for their hardware and work hand-in-hand with developers of whatever size. We like a secret as much as the next guy, but if your entire studio is dependent on software and you're not getting the software if you keep everything close to your chest, then maybe, just maybe, running with the same old strategy that worked 15 years ago isn't the right strategy anymore?
James Scott
Banned
The best kind
Like what? Star Fox? Paper Mario? Zelda?
Also launching two platforms in Early '17? No.
The 3DS has "enough" but the Wii U is dead.
Lilalaunebaer
Member
All the games released on NX are editors like SMM, so if you want other games you can make them yourself.
Sure. Not saying anything to the contrary.
Just pointing out the Gaf-web-Gaf thing
Just pointing out to others, no specifically referred to you, don't worry.
The Wii U has a better line up of games compared to late-life GameCube and Wii.
GC:
-Mario Strikers
-Star Fox Assault
-Odama
-Chibi Robo
-Mario Baseball
-Zelda TP
-Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance
-Battalion Wars
-Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat
-Donkey Konga 2
-Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness
-Geist
-Mario Party 7
Wii:
-Kirby's Return to Dreamland
-Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword
-Very Late Localization's (Xenoblade, Last Story, Pandora's Tower)
I mean......the Wii U has a lot compared to that.
-Star Fox
-Zelda U
-Zelda TP HD
-Pokken
-Mario & Sonic
-Paper Mario Wii U
-(Maybe?) Pikmin 4
They have a decent amount on the Wii U end of things and they could ride out one more year for the console if they have to.
Yep.
For the Wii U port of Assassin's Creed III, Ubisoft had 2 people working on it. By the end, it had 15 and it took them a year because of a few struggles they had with specs.
In this case it eas just casual talk. Is not like he elwas called to NCL, sat down and told to pitch something or get out.
When it comes to indies, I guess that Nintendo would give priority to the likes of Shin'en or WayForward when it comes to early kits because of their relationship. Then just everyone once is revealed.
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
One vocal Indie Dev.
For all we know Nintendo could have already told 1/2 the industry to screw off until the system's formal announcement.
Yeah I get that sentiment but I think it's futile to bother trying.This is the age of the Internet and somebody is going to spill the beans sooner or later.At this point the only 4 major things anyone cares about is if the system has a normal controller?, if the system has a gimmick? The hardware specs of the system and what sort of firm factor the project has? ( Console or Handheld or both).
But it would be a nice surprise if something doesn't get leaked for once and actually surprise someone.
Lilalaunebaer
Member
It all depends on what NX is. They can prepare a steady stream of quality retail games based on 1st party teams and key 3rd party partners for the platform if everything is executed accordingly.
Obviously the main argument is to combine their entire output on 3DS and Wii U, and the cheaper/faster it is to make games for it the better (so no beast hardware). Secondly focus all efforts on one single coherent vision, that is, don't waste resources on a stray Wii Fit, Brain Age or Devil's Third to try and satisfy an imaginary audience.
They've also been actively trying to get games like Minecraft and Undertale to their system, because those games resonate with Nintendo's existing userbase. So it's not like they hate 3rd parties or anything.
What I'm wondering is why are so many people passionate about the well being of Nintendo? If they screw it up then let them.
It might not be a first party game, but don't forget that GameCube received Resident Evil 4 in 2005.
RE4 was a much bigger deal in the gaming world than Pokken, Mario & Sonic, and Star Fox Zero.
Your list is also missing Star Fox Assault, and nobody knows if Star Fox Zero will be much better than Assault.
I stand slightly corrected lmfao.
I'm not sure about Pikmin 4. I feel like Nintendo would just delay the fuck out of it lol. I mean they did with Pikmin 3 if memory serves me right.
I still believe the Wii U is more in need of a successor than the 3DS because of sales combined with game lineup. However, I wouldn't be shocked if the handheld comes first. Maybe the handheld will come out in Japan and we get the console this year. Would fit well with the markets. My only issue is that I think that's a tough task for Nintendo.
Closing the other NX thread has spawned four different NX thread news. I like this. Floodgates are beginning to open.
Nintendo is always secretive to the point of frustration. A little transparency is ok. They treat all their products like their going to change the industry forever and don't want to be copied. I think that's a little arrogant of them no matter how much I love their games.
Nintendo is always secretive to the point of frustration. A little transparency is ok. They treat all their products like their going to change the industry forever and don't want to be copied. I think that's a little arrogant of them no matter how much I love their games.
With regard to indies getting dev kits, I would think the issue is whether they've worked with the dev before or not, and if they can get some sort of exclusive arrangement. There appear to be some indie developers with access already, so I'm assuming there is some rhyme or reason to the process. I do think the game industry is overly secretive in general though.
What? Why not?
Astral Dog
Member
Thats funny, but he was just teasing.
God Dayumm
Banned
If the NX is 100% compatible with PC software, Playstation 4, PS3, PS2, Wii U, NES, and 3DS, then indie developers don't need a dev kit because their games would already work on it!
But that's my point, we don't know and jumping to conclusions on "one vocal indie dev" is just idiotic honestly. Wait and see.
I for one am not hopeful, but then again I dont care cause I have a PS4. My 3rd party thirst will be quenched either way.
I'll get the NX regardless for the 1st party games. However, I would like some new experiences from 3rd party devs as well. I enjoyed the Wii and some of the 3rd party games like Madden 07 or Elebits. I didn't need COD 4. I had a 360 for that.
Even the basic physical structure of mega developers tends to make this idea impractical:
ArchedThunder
Banned
That's not what they said, they were using Rockstar as an example of a big studio without lots of leaks. Just because Nintendo isn't willing to hand devkits or SDKs to indie devs they've never even worked with before doesn't mean they aren't showing anyone. As said before, Nintendo has been in talks with 3rd parties for a while and devkits and SDKs are reportedly out there. Assuming there isn't some architectural weirdness like with the Wii U it shouldn't require very big teams to port to the system. The only people that would know the details about NX outside of Nintendo would be big wigs at 3rd party publishers, the small teams working on the NX versions of games and maybe a select few indies that Nintendo has a good relationship with like Shinen, Yacht Club and Way Forward.
It's not uncommon for different studios entirely to work on different versions of a game, and it's also far from uncommon for people at studios to not know half the stuff going on in the studio.
James Scott
Banned
They really should hurry up and announce it if they don't want anything getting leaked.
I think April is the latest they'll wait since it's after their big March releases and a new fiscal year for them.
I think April is the latest they'll wait since it's after their big March releases and a new fiscal year for them.
Forgot about Star Fox Assault.....will edit my list now. Thank you for the heads up
No problem.
Now that I'm looking at Wikipedia, there were a lot more Nintendo published GameCube games released in 2005.
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance, Battalion Wars, Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat, Donkey Konga 2, Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness, Geist, Mario Party 7, and Mario Superstar Baseball.
Vampirolol
Member
Nintendo should just accept the fact that leaks are a thing in 2016.
thomasmahler
Member
Then that's exactly the information that should be given to developers. And it really doesn't work like that, you probably need a few months just to implement the platform-specific features the console will have - Even if the engine support is fucking flawless and everything is supported out of the box (which would be nothing short of a miracle), you'd need a few months just to do the very basics - and not knowing what the thing is 8 months before launch doesn't leave you any time to build something.
My guess would be that if we actually see any third party support, it's again just going to be ports. Anything else wouldn't really make sense, both from a business and a time-perspective. I'd be very surprised if Nintendo actually gets any third-party exclusives, which is exactly why I think they should've made smart deals with indies. It doesn't require a lot of effort, peeps like Oculus and Valve have been able to do it...
I agree. The thirst is real and, as the days go by, it's gonna get worse. I really hope Nintendo has some kind of event for NX before E3, but there's no telling what they are up to. I love Nintendo, but the secrecy surrounding NX is starting to get frustrating. If they want to release this year, they have to talk soon. Hopefully, we'll get something in April.
UnemployedVillain
Member
Well people always say they Nintendo to be more like Valve!
I'm not a fan of waiting till the new fiscal year. I'd understand it if they had an entire rollout plan, which I assume they do, but I still think it's a little foolish. However, I can't say why. It's just my gut but that's probably because I just want to know what the NX is lol.
I'm slightly tired of all the speculation.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Well, let's also remember that they thought the Gamepad was the next big thing, and we all see how that worked out for them.
Mhm could you tell us a bit more about yourself?
I think they'll name it before E3 like with Wii...and not Wii U. Let the name sink in, take hold, and it's a non-factor by the time it's shown off.
I still think it'll be called Nintendo Home, though. Their naming creativity has been STAGGERING lately, especially in regards to their My Nintendo account. /s
I'd question the actual timing on this. The article itself says a while back and is in conflict with the other front page info we have from EA which people are corroborating as being months old information from late last year.
Also the wording here is straight up informal. Sounds more like he was getting asked for a pitch in a casual sense months ago and his immediate reply (which to me reads like poking fun rather than serious) was that he had no idea what he would be pitching his game for as a system.
Mmh...
I didn't say anything about Nintendo giving NX dev kits to Rockstar, I was simply pointing out that large-scale western AAA development has surprisingly few leaks given how many people work on them.
Contracts for early dev kits can be pretty restrictive, though. I distinctly remember early Wii U contracts requiring them to be kept in rooms with no windows with only specific personnel allowed in, etc. And by all accounts their NX contracts are even stricter.
In any case, even if NX development were performed in a room with a 50-100 people, that's still going to be less than half of those involved in a modern AAA production, which as I said, actually has a very low leak rate given the number of people involved.
Schnozberry
Member
We got the full reveal for the PS4 and Xbox One about 8 months ahead of release. I would expect a similar path from Nintendo. Neither Microsoft or Sony had fully revealed their plans to indies at that point either. It's probably just a case of Nintendo not wanting leaks to potentially give their competitors enough time to get the jump on whatever the unique tech is they have in NX.
GustyGardens
Banned
Maybe it's just me, but the way it's worded seems more friendly rather than an official talk of sorts. He even used the phrase, "fun conversation"
Okay, that's the most Nintendo thing ever, lol.