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Gaming has changed forever with OLED

Rival

Gold Member
I have a cx oled in my gameroom next to my old Panasonic plasma which still works amazingly well. Nothing to offer just wanted to brag. Buying another oled for my bedroom at some point soon.
 

01011001

Member
OLED is the shit. Been an OLED fanboy since Zune HD.

I get it, OLED screens are amazing nowadays, but I seriously never understood the people that actually liked early OLED screens.
early OLED screens were pure and utter garbage... they didn't even have good black levels! everything about them was shit.

super low peak brightness, awful color accuracy, awful black levels, burn in all over the place, that awful rice paper effect on every part of the screen that displayed a solid color... they were so bad.
for example, when I fist got my Vita back in the day I was appalled by the screen. That screen looked like it was faulty, like I should return it or send it in for repair... but that was just how that screen looked.

I also had an early OLED Phone back in the day, the LG G-flex, had a similarly bad OLED, but not quite as bad... it had decent black levels which was an improvement on the Vita OLED
 

01011001

Member
Quick question. I've seen an LED TV which was 100 bucks more expensive than a OLED TV. Which TV might be better, is OLED a Gauarantee for better Image Quality or is it possible that the more expensive LED TV is better?

there are extremely bad OLED screens out there. if they are super cheap they often have missing features and are low brightness. so depending on your needs an LED can absolutely be better than an OLED if you go for a mid range or low price screen.

cheap OLED TVs also often cheap out on the chipset used in order to compensate for the price of the OLED panel. so you might have really bad input latency.

for cheaper TVs you should always look up multiple reviews by trusted sources if possible, high price OLEDs especially from LG generally are superior tho

also there is Mini LED now, which can actually look close to OLED if the panel is a high quality one, and they usually have a higher peak brightness, so they might actually be the better option if you often use your TV in a brightly lit room
 
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The amount of ackchually going on in this thread is hilarious. We even have someone claiming the Kurt is better than a modern oled?

Awkward Kenan Thompson GIF by Saturday Night Live
 

A.Romero

Member
I still rock my 2009 Kuro and it still manages to blow me away even nowadays and all my friends who thought it was a 4K when we watched movies on it. I think the OLED would win in a pure side by side in brightness especially with HDR and absolute blacks, but I would probably find the drawbacks annoying, such as worse motion handling and color tones.

It’s still a darling at AVS


I’m still hoping for something better to land in the market that would surpass OLED in motion and have no burn in. Hopefully in a few years, I’m surprised the Kuro is even turning on 12 years later.

I just read someone on that thread saying that 4K is irrelevant. That can't be possible, can it?

Plasma has a lot of advantages. Personally never had one because they were too expensive for my family. By the time I was able to get my own stuff they were gone from the market.

I don't think that tech is coming back or at least not in that form so I guess that conversation is not worth having. Plasma can be better and would probably be even better if they had all these years to improve upon but we can't get one so...

New tech will come along but it will probably have drawbacks as well, either price, power consumption, weight, burn in, or whatever... It's about compensating for those drawbacks and offering something that the mass market can find attractive. Better tech has lost battles in front of worse tech because of different reasons... I mean, belts beat suspenders when the later do a much better job at holding your pants up.
 

Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
I get it, OLED screens are amazing nowadays, but I seriously never understood the people that actually liked early OLED screens.
early OLED screens were pure and utter garbage... they didn't even have good black levels! everything about them was shit.

super low peak brightness, awful color accuracy, awful black levels, burn in all over the place, that awful rice paper effect on every part of the screen that displayed a solid color... they were so bad.
for example, when I fist got my Vita back in the day I was appalled by the screen. That screen looked like it was faulty, like I should return it or send it in for repair... but that was just how that screen looked.

I also had an early OLED Phone back in the day, the LG G-flex, had a similarly bad OLED, but not quite as bad... it had decent black levels which was an improvement on the Vita OLED

Most of the Zune HDs drawbacks in the OLED screen were masked because of the size of the screen.

It was still miles beyond what ipods and previous Zune devices had previously at the time. Calling em garage Is very hyperbolic.
 
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bargeparty

Member
I have a cx oled in my gameroom next to my old Panasonic plasma which still works amazingly well. Nothing to offer just wanted to brag. Buying another oled for my bedroom at some point soon.

I have my Sony A8H next to my panny vt60 and the plasma hasn't been used, since the oled is way more resistant to IR and I'm lazy. I will say, some time ago i did a little compare and the plasma motion is just so much better in gaming. But you stop using plasma and eventually forget about it.
 

amigastar

Member
there are extremely bad OLED screens out there. if they are super cheap they often have missing features and are low brightness. so depending on your needs an LED can absolutely be better than an OLED if you go for a mid range or low price screen.

cheap OLED TVs also often cheap out on the chipset used in order to compensate for the price of the OLED panel. so you might have really bad input latency.

for cheaper TVs you should always look up multiple reviews by trusted sources if possible, high price OLEDs especially from LG generally are superior tho

also there is Mini LED now, which can actually look close to OLED if the panel is a high quality one, and they usually have a higher peak brightness, so they might actually be the better option if you often use your TV in a brightly lit room
I see, thank you. Will definitely look out when buying a new TV.
 

bender

Candy Corn Aficionado
Most of the Zune HDs drawbacks in the OLED screen were masked because of the size of the screen.

It was still miles beyond what ipods and previous Zune devices had previously at the time. Calling em garage Is very hyperbolic.

People prefer convenience to quality. It's why DAPs like the iRiver iHP-100 were trounced by garbage like iPods.
 

Maxwell Jacob Friedman

leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
As someone who owns a few high end CRT's......OLED's are 'cute' better than crappy 99% of IPS monitors before OLED starts degrading that is. A few high end VA panels have amazing black levels and are just a grade below OLED without the weaknesses like burn-in. My OLED has black blotches but still looks nice shame about the weakness to oxygen. I wish SED was a thing we got robbed!

Also "HDTVTEST settings" ? there are better choices like actual professionals(QTV) who are also youtubers who give honest opinions and not shills for tv companies....HDTVtest's tv of the year (among other things) lets me know I cannot take that dude seriously

OLED isn't perfect but deserves better than HDTVTEST
Link?
 

01011001

Member
Most of the Zune HDs drawbacks in the OLED screen were masked because of the size of the screen.

It was still miles beyond what ipods and previous Zune devices had previously at the time. Calling em garage Is very hyperbolic.

it is not hyperbolic at all. I literally hated the Vita's OLED screen. super low brightness and that fucking unevenness in the image.

on an LED VIta you'd see bold colors look like this:


and on the OLED Vita the same color would look somewhat like this


this is as good as I can replicate how it looked from memory, but my point being, it wasn't a pleasant image to look at especially if you played something that used a cartoon/anime like style with lots of surfaced that were 1 solid color


and Black screens looked so bad on it too... it wasn't even close to the 100% blac you get in modern OLED screens, it looked like really bad LED backlight clouding with weird black spots in it... just disgusting looking overall :sick:
 
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Buggy Loop

Member
I just read someone on that thread saying that 4K is irrelevant. That can't be possible, can it?

Plasma has a lot of advantages. Personally never had one because they were too expensive for my family. By the time I was able to get my own stuff they were gone from the market.

I don't think that tech is coming back or at least not in that form so I guess that conversation is not worth having. Plasma can be better and would probably be even better if they had all these years to improve upon but we can't get one so...

New tech will come along but it will probably have drawbacks as well, either price, power consumption, weight, burn in, or whatever... It's about compensating for those drawbacks and offering something that the mass market can find attractive. Better tech has lost battles in front of worse tech because of different reasons... I mean, belts beat suspenders when the later do a much better job at holding your pants up.

Oh for sure Plasma is not coming back. I’m just super impressed after all those years. Kuro was expensive as fuck in 2009 (well comparable to oled today I guess), but it aged really fine.

I’m not feeling the urge to go shop a new TV. I’m playing the waiting game, letting the bumps on the road like HDMI 2.1 fuckups pass by, more OLED competitors or new tech.

I’m not trying to convince anyone to go buy a Plasma in 2021 haha.
 

A.Romero

Member
Oh for sure Plasma is not coming back. I’m just super impressed after all those years. Kuro was expensive as fuck in 2009 (well comparable to oled today I guess), but it aged really fine.

I’m not feeling the urge to go shop a new TV. I’m playing the waiting game, letting the bumps on the road like HDMI 2.1 fuckups pass by, more OLED competitors or new tech.

I’m not trying to convince anyone to go buy a Plasma in 2021 haha.

It's impressive tech for sure.

Screens in general have come a long way. I really wonder what will be available in 10 or 15 years...
 

bender

Candy Corn Aficionado
it is not hyperbolic at all. I literally hated the Vita's OLED screen. super low brightness and that fucking unevenness in the image.

on an LED VIta you'd see bold colors look like this:


and on the OLED Vita the same color would look somewhat like this


this is as good as I can replicate how it looked from memory, but my point being, it wasn't a pleasant image to look at especially if you played something that used a cartoon/anime like style with lots of surfaced that were 1 solid color


and Black screens looked so bad on it too... it wasn't even close to the 100% blac you get in modern OLED screens, it looked like really bad LED backlight clouding with weird black spots in it... just disgusting looking overall :sick:

Every time you go to a black loading screen:

 

Vick

Member
Don't take my word for it. Please educate yourself. I see your nobody youtuber and raise you somebody who actually knows what he's talking about.

That is not a Kuro..



And what i should take from that comparison anyway, that the OLED is still losing in some categories?

I'm clearly not the one in need of education.



From the "nobody" measurements:

"I got the 3500$ MK350N Premium Spectro-Flicker meter and took some SPD readings
SPD from Pioneer KRP-500A and the Sony X950H compared.
Measurement from 100% white window on both

Basics here are:
The taller the spikes are the more intense the colors are
The more narrow the spikes are the more saturated the colors are (Less light leak)

RED color: almost the same intensity and saturation on both
With the Sony slight higher saturation for RED color

GREEN color: Higher intensity and saturation on the 500A

BLUE color: Higher intensity and saturation on the Sony

Mix these three and you got White

The C9 OLED is now sold so i cant take any measurements from one but they look the same.
Here is an typical SPD from an WRGB OLED

if you compare how colors are on this one when you know the above

RED: Low intensity and low saturation (no distinct spike)

GREEN: Same low saturation as RED but with higher intensity

BLUE: High Intensity and High saturation

But the overall distribution for RED GREEN and BLUE are completely off here
When only one color has that high intensity it changes the tone in the picture.

When the tv mix High intensity Blue with Low intensity GREEN and RED White will look more blueish. (even after calibration)

For the OLEDs its no surprise that they show an more Blueish Cold image compared to reference 6500K which is warmer.
The Dominating Blue Intensity is the problem.

The Kuros also have radiation/intensity at 700nm and also lower at 400-420nm
im not 100% sure how that effects Red color but my guess is that extra Red peak at 700nm makes Reds to look even more natural with more glow.
it probably also effects how skintones looks.

A light with an broader range of colors that covers a larger area will always look more natural.
New tvs today are so called Narrow bandwidth displays that covers a smaller part of the visible light spectrum.
all in all the Kuros have light that contains more colors compared to todays tvs.
one reason why White on an KURO still looks better than White on new tvs.

Its not strange that tvs today looks different when you see how different the Spectra Power Distributions are.
Yet the Plasma tvs and the CRT tvs are the reference here because of non existing metamerism.
Plasma tvs and CRTs looks the same for all observers while on todays tvs one tv can look correct to one person but not for another person.

info on how to minimize this problem

MK350N Premium Spectro-Flicker meter
https://www.uprtek.eu.com/products/uprtek-portable-spectro-flicker-meter-mk350n-premium"


"You always compare to reference otherwise you are lost in the pancakes.
Kuros and the 500M is still reference for SDR.
TVs today can only come close but they cant match them.
Poor LED light and Sample And Hold motion is what holds new tvs back.
Along with bad uniformity."
Plus bad viewing angles as you can see here from the C9.
Kuros picture is almost the same from any angle with no colortints or brightness drops."


"This is SDR. Nothing beats the picture from an tweaked KRP 500. The 500M has even sharper details and better motion."

Now would you mind providing something more than mere subjective sentences? Or that's all you can do?

P.S. Enjoy some KRP results:








Perhaps you could share your C1 ones?
 

bender

Candy Corn Aficionado
Oh for sure Plasma is not coming back. I’m just super impressed after all those years. Kuro was expensive as fuck in 2009 (well comparable to oled today I guess), but it aged really fine.

I’m not feeling the urge to go shop a new TV. I’m playing the waiting game, letting the bumps on the road like HDMI 2.1 fuckups pass by, more OLED competitors or new tech.

I’m not trying to convince anyone to go buy a Plasma in 2021 haha.

$5,000 in 2007. I'm at altitude too (worse buzzing). Still gave me 10 years of service and it still works though one of the control boards buzzes louder than the screen. My 2017 E-Series LG gave me less than 2 years before it got burn in and that's after having the panel replaced because of the factory defect that gave you a nice off colored rectangle. LG's quality might have improved since then but as the saying goes, you never get a second chance at a first impression.
 

OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
That is not a Kuro..



And what i should take from that comparison anyway, that the OLED is still losing in some categories?

I'm clearly not the one in need of education.



From the "nobody" measurements:

"I got the 3500$ MK350N Premium Spectro-Flicker meter and took some SPD readings
SPD from Pioneer KRP-500A and the Sony X950H compared.
Measurement from 100% white window on both

Basics here are:
The taller the spikes are the more intense the colors are
The more narrow the spikes are the more saturated the colors are (Less light leak)

RED color: almost the same intensity and saturation on both
With the Sony slight higher saturation for RED color

GREEN color: Higher intensity and saturation on the 500A

BLUE color: Higher intensity and saturation on the Sony

Mix these three and you got White

The C9 OLED is now sold so i cant take any measurements from one but they look the same.
Here is an typical SPD from an WRGB OLED

if you compare how colors are on this one when you know the above

RED: Low intensity and low saturation (no distinct spike)

GREEN: Same low saturation as RED but with higher intensity

BLUE: High Intensity and High saturation

But the overall distribution for RED GREEN and BLUE are completely off here
When only one color has that high intensity it changes the tone in the picture.

When the tv mix High intensity Blue with Low intensity GREEN and RED White will look more blueish. (even after calibration)

For the OLEDs its no surprise that they show an more Blueish Cold image compared to reference 6500K which is warmer.
The Dominating Blue Intensity is the problem.

The Kuros also have radiation/intensity at 700nm and also lower at 400-420nm
im not 100% sure how that effects Red color but my guess is that extra Red peak at 700nm makes Reds to look even more natural with more glow.
it probably also effects how skintones looks.

A light with an broader range of colors that covers a larger area will always look more natural.
New tvs today are so called Narrow bandwidth displays that covers a smaller part of the visible light spectrum.
all in all the Kuros have light that contains more colors compared to todays tvs.
one reason why White on an KURO still looks better than White on new tvs.

Its not strange that tvs today looks different when you see how different the Spectra Power Distributions are.
Yet the Plasma tvs and the CRT tvs are the reference here because of non existing metamerism.
Plasma tvs and CRTs looks the same for all observers while on todays tvs one tv can look correct to one person but not for another person.

info on how to minimize this problem

MK350N Premium Spectro-Flicker meter
https://www.uprtek.eu.com/products/uprtek-portable-spectro-flicker-meter-mk350n-premium"


"You always compare to reference otherwise you are lost in the pancakes.
Kuros and the 500M is still reference for SDR.
TVs today can only come close but they cant match them.
Poor LED light and Sample And Hold motion is what holds new tvs back.
Along with bad uniformity."
Plus bad viewing angles as you can see here from the C9.
Kuros picture is almost the same from any angle with no colortints or brightness drops."


"This is SDR. Nothing beats the picture from an tweaked KRP 500. The 500M has even sharper details and better motion."

Now would you mind providing something more than mere subjective sentences? Or that's all you can do?

P.S. Enjoy some KRP results:








Perhaps you could share your C1 ones?
What was oled losing in? Did you actually watch it? I dont think you did.
 

bender

Candy Corn Aficionado
Mine doesn't, Ah well I'll take your word for it and bask in my good luck lol

Luck I guess. It's a byproduct of the AMOLED used in the Vita. And again to see it, you need to be in a pitch black room and on a pitch black screen. You'd never notice it during normal game play.
 

Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
it is not hyperbolic at all. I literally hated the Vita's OLED screen. super low brightness and that fucking unevenness in the image.

on an LED VIta you'd see bold colors look like this:


and on the OLED Vita the same color would look somewhat like this


this is as good as I can replicate how it looked from memory, but my point being, it wasn't a pleasant image to look at especially if you played something that used a cartoon/anime like style with lots of surfaced that were 1 solid color


and Black screens looked so bad on it too... it wasn't even close to the 100% blac you get in modern OLED screens, it looked like really bad LED backlight clouding with weird black spots in it... just disgusting looking overall :sick:

I was talking about the Zune HD. I can't speak of the vita. Never seen it in person.

Zune HD was also 3 years before the Vita.
 

Pagusas

Elden Member
That's called burn in, it's not the rule, it's a sign of someone who can't take care of their vita teehee
no it’s not, that’s exactly how both my brand new Vita’s looked day 1. it had an issue with an all black screen showing a weird issue like that. burn in is something completely different.
 

Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
Easy for anyone to use and iPod's became as much as a fashion symbol as anything else. Not to mention audio/videophiles are a tiny fraction of the market.
I totally get why it became popular as apple are masters of marketing here in the states.

I just legit don't understand "how" people did it and enjoyed it. Like you can't see shit lol. Even convenience at that point doesn't make sense to me.

But I digress.
 

Tschumi

Member
Luck I guess. It's a byproduct of the AMOLED used in the Vita. And again to see it, you need to be in a pitch black room and on a pitch black screen. You'd never notice it during normal game play.
See, I've noticed one little blorp on my screen in a black room with a black screen, sure, actually I'm thinking of spending heaps on an unopened one just to get rid of that though now you make me worry I'd possibly be wasting money lol
 

bender

Candy Corn Aficionado
I totally get why it became popular as apple are masters of marketing here in the states.

I just legit don't understand "how" people did it and enjoyed it. Like you can't see shit lol. Even convenience at that point doesn't make sense to me.

But I digress.

"Good enough" satisfies most people. *shrug*

I never got into the portable video market but me and buddy were big into DAPs. Transformative was him letting me use his newly purchased Shure E2Cs.
 

bender

Candy Corn Aficionado
See, I've noticed one little blorp on my screen in a black room with a black screen, sure, actually I'm thinking of spending heaps on an unopened one just to get rid of that though now you make me worry I'd possibly be wasting money lol

If you have one little blotch, you probably aren't going to beat that no matter how many new units you open. My launch unit looked very similar to the picture I posted. Damnit, I really want to play some World Invitational right now. lol
 
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Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
"Good enough" satisfies most people. *shrug*

I never got into the portable video market but me and buddy were big into DAPs. Transformative was him letting me use his newly purchased Shure E2Cs.
I fell down a DAP route after Zune failed. (Yeah yeah yeah not my best investment)

Shure E2cs ere fucking legit.

I eventually found a few Sonys I think they were I really liked.

I eventually got some Blue Mofis that made almost any device sound amazing. I have an LG v35 I keep just for the built in DAC.
 
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bender

Candy Corn Aficionado
I fell down a DAP route after Zune failed. (Yeah yeah yeah not my best investment)

I eventually found a few Sonys I think they were I really liked.

I eventually got some Blue Mofis that made almost any device sound amazing. I have an LG v35 I keep just for the built in DAC.

Sony has some great audio chips (hell, the original Playstation is really highly regarded by some audiophiles for CD playback) but their OS usually left a lot to be desired. I'm not sure what file formats they supported out of the box and what the custom firmware scene looked like, but those iRiver's back in the day supported OGG and FLAC via custom firmware. They also showed up like a thumb drive in Windows Explorer so you could just drag and drop to them.

iRiver turned to shit later on trying to be more like Apple, removing features and requiring software to manage their devices because it was the "easier" user experience.
 
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Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
Sony has some great audio chips (hell, the original Playstation is really highly regarded by some audiophiles for CD playback) but their OS usually left a lot to be desired. I'm not sure what file formats they supported out of the box and what the custom firmware scene looked like, but those iRiver's back in the day supported OGG and FLAC via custom firmware. They also showed up like a thumb drive in Windows Explorer so you could just drag and drop to them.

I remember having to do a ton of audio conversion back in the day because Xbox 360 wanted it's own thing and so did Sony if I remember right.

Then I fell down a FLAC hole. I still have those files somewhere.

I will say, the Zune software is still by far the best PC audio player software I ever used. I'd kill for it back
 

bender

Candy Corn Aficionado
I remember having to do a ton of audio conversion back in the day because Xbox 360 wanted it's own thing and so did Sony if I remember right.

Then I fell down a FLAC hole. I still have those files somewhere.

I will say, the Zune software is still by far the best PC audio player software I ever used. I'd kill for it back

I never had a Zune. I was always pissed when something wanted me to use software. Let me rip my CDs with fubar and drag and drop. Even I've succumbed these days which is probably fine. The way modern CDs and remastered are mixed these days just destroys fine detail anyway.
 

Vick

Member
What was oled losing in? Did you actually watch it? I dont think you did.
4:54 - Near Black performances.

9:15 - True Motion Clarity (an embarassing full 1080 vs 300) without resorting to IFC, which needs to be disabled on 60fps content to avoid artifacts (and also looks like shit to anyone used to real motion).

12:50 - SD Upscale, obviously.

18:41 - 24p Motion Smoothness.

18:57 - Intangibile, organic phosphor-driven look.

And others he conveniently avoid to mention, such as viewing angles. Just as conveniently he didn't use a KRP for the comparison.
 

OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
4:54 - Near Black performances.

9:15 - True Motion Clarity (an embarassing full 1080 vs 300) without resorting to IFC, which needs to be disabled on 60fps content to avoid artifacts (and also looks like shit to anyone used to real motion).

12:50 - SD Upscale, obviously.

18:41 - 24p Motion Smoothness.

18:57 - Intangibile, organic phosphor-driven look.

And others he conveniently avoid to mention, such as viewing angles. Just as conveniently he didn't use a KRP for the comparison.
Oh boy. What a victory. Lmao. Keep promoting your youtube channel. I'll be enjoying my vastly superior oled.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Quick question. I've seen an LED TV which was 100 bucks more expensive than a OLED TV. Which TV might be better, is OLED a Gauarantee for better Image Quality or is it possible that the more expensive LED TV is better?
Possibly a Samsung QN90A they are fairly pricey for a non OLED TV.

I recently picked up a 75" QN90A and its a really nice LED TV especially if you need the brightness

My main gaming TV is a 77" C9 and grabbed a launch day Sony X900H which is still a nice looking TV even with its mess of limitations.

But as of late I have put the QN90A in place of the Sony as I have a very bright room and through the day the OLED isn't bright enough
 

Nikana

Go Go Neo Rangers!
I never had a Zune. I was always pissed when something wanted me to use software. Let me rip my CDs with fubar and drag and drop. Even I've succumbed these days which is probably fine. The way modern CDs and remastered are mixed these days just destroys fine detail anyway.
Yeah I have to admit I have become I'll just listen on Spotify guy most of time. I set aside time to listen to certain albums on my Mofis from time to time but I have no idea how to get the best quality these days.

I tried Tidal as they claimed to have atmos and higher grade master's but the Atmos support was not impressive in my opinion and the quality difference seemed like snake oil.
 
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OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
I'm looking forward to the 42 inch oled next year. Itll have the same ppi as a 27 inch 1440p monitor and all the benefits of oled. Time to ditch my shit monitor
 
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Vick

Member
Oh boy. What a victory. Lmao. Keep promoting your youtube channel. I'll be enjoying my vastly superior oled.
Man you really are a special one, are you?

It means dark scenes are better, DVDs look better, Blu-Ray's (which are all 24p) look better, 60fps looks better, organic look vs a plasticky electronic one..

Well enjoy your TV, and keep acting like a child i guess.
 
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Tschumi

Member
If you have one little blotch, you probably aren't going to beat that no matter how many new units you open. My launch unit looked very similar to the picture I posted. Damnit, I really want to play some World Invitational right now. lol
I mean to be fair a black screen in a black room is hardly, you know, a damming indictment of the tech lolll

I've been playing mgs3 on mine, amazing my xss can't emulate it smoothly but my vita bosses the hd version
 

OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
Man you really are a special one, are you?

It means dark scenes are better, DVDs look better, Blu-Ray's (which are all 24p) look better, 60fps looks better, organic look vs a plasticy electronic one..

Well enjoy your TV, and keep acting like a child i guess.
I'm sorry your stuck in the past with an inferior display and still watching DVDs. Oled is objectively better in 99 percent of material. You know this. Nobody youtuber is a nobody.
 

JeloSWE

Member
Quick question. I've seen an LED TV which was 100 bucks more expensive than a OLED TV. Which TV might be better, is OLED a Gauarantee for better Image Quality or is it possible that the more expensive LED TV is better?
OLED:
Strengths are absolut blacks, and great off angles viewing and complete lack of blooming due to every pixel being it's own light source.

Drawbacks are the burn in prevention strategies employed by the manufacturers, they limited max brightness to around 700 nit in HDR and the screens also dim after 1-2 min with static content, and many will dim static image elements such as logos and life bars. Burn in is caused by the leds aging and heat is what ages the organic compounds in (O)LED and bright images generate heat. An OLED could easily be driven at 2000 or 4000 nit but they would burn in in a mater of days or weeks then. Most OLED TV on the market only uses LG WRGB sub pixel matrix in an effort to help boost brightness of the image but the added white led will make text rendering look less sharp when compared to a true RGB structure and the added brightness is just for desaturated or white parts of the image, no true bright and saturated parts like an intensely glowing red break light but will instead just wash it out into pink or not glow as bright as it could. Also while may OLED boast perfect blacks they suffer in anything near or just above black, many will completely crush those shades as well as producing flashing artifacts in some cases.

LCD:
Strengths (we are only talking top of the line LEDs here), have a very high light out put, most lie in that range of 1000-2000 nit and some can at times produce 2000-4000 nit in HDR, once you've seen HDR on such screens OLED will looks dim no matter what people say, OLED needs a really dark viewing environment to appear bright while a great LCD would still produce impact full HDR in a moderately lit environment. No risk of burn in. True RGB sub pixel structure and can have great viewing angles if they use a special type of light dispersion film on top, which most do above 65" these days. They also look smoother in motion than OLEDs with low fps material (24/30 fps) due to the slower pixel response time, frames basically melt together during their transition while an OLED is virtually instantaneous which can give low fps a stuttery/strobing look. Using some light motion/image interpolation when watching TV or movies should make this tolerable.

Drawbacks are less deep blacks levels and but most will have great near black handling with little to no black crush. Some have very impressive black levels getting pretty close to OLED. They also universally suffer form blooming to some degree. Some like Samsung tend to keep highlights dim on a predominantly dark/black bottom in order to minimize blooming, a start field is the perfect example where Samsung has historically performed really bad and every OLED looks great. Sony and some other manufacturers don't dim highlight on dark backgrounds as much, keeping the lights intensity truer to the source but at the cost of some noticeable blooming in some cases.


But in short. OLED has the best image quality for SDR content and decent-ish HDR, IF, you are in a dimly lit environment. But many have issues with near black crush of the darkest shades as well as annoying Automatic Brightness Limiters (ABL) due to the risk of burn in. LCD on the other hand are light canons with no worries of burn in and less near black crush, has better saturation in bright parts of the screen but suffers from some blooming and black levels.

Additional note on OLED burn in is that today due to the use of mitigation strategies such as ABL and screen refreshers it takes longer for it to emerge. It's NOT a non issue as many would like you to believe but these days it takes much longer before it will become visible, the aging of the pixels are cumulative of how hard and long they've been driven and will eventually show up but it could take years depending on usage but eventually the pixel refresher won't be able to restore the image fully. If you use varied content the wear will be more evenly distributed and less noticeable.
 
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