So Valve is awesome for buying Halo MCC exclusivity but Epic Games the devil for buying Borderlands 3 exclusivity?
Why would they be mad at Steam exactly? Valve does not believe in moneyhatting developers and locking you into just one store.
Why don't we level the playing field and whine when a PC game is exclusive to Steam?
Yeah console gamers have it soooo good
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Because obviously Valve isn't doing anything to keep these games from going somewhere else. And they precisely believe in locking you into just one store, or most of their users do at least. It's like Valve gets nothing but good will from its users when ever these stories break, so what incentive is their for them to keep these games from going to epic's store? No one was patting Sony on the back for losing exclusives last gen, more like "wow sony y'all are really fucking it up." But because it's steam they keep looking more and more like the good guy in this scenario? People really need to start criticizing steam too if they actually don't want their games to go somewhere else.
And you're basing this on what?And they precisely believe in locking you into just one store, or most of their users do at least.
My bad. Totally left out elitist attitudes and false sense of entitlement.You know damn well it is more about more than just politics.
Very adult of you. God you people are pathetic.
Pretty sure microsoft got a great deal from valve and microsoft prolly didnt pay the 30% cut.You think Valve paid for Halo exclusivity?
If that's all you're seeing here then you aren't even remotely prepared to actually engage in the discussion. Also lol at calling other people petty before immediately downplaying the issue to suit your narrative.My bad. Totally left out elitist attitudes and false sense of entitlement.
Man, console wars are something but the launcher wars has to be the most petty. At least with console you have the financial argument of spending $400 on another box. What was the problem with an alternate launcher? An additional icon? OH NOES!!!!!
LOL.
Trouble is, it takes actual effort to read and understand what's going on instead of plugging your ears shouting ANOTHER CLICK LOL WHATTA BUNCHA BABIES.I really wish people would get it out of their minds that people are pissed off with Epic because they dont want another launcher. Thats literally one of many reasons, and one of the minor reasons. Moneyhatting games, and forced exclusivity by using fucking FortShite money is the biggest for me.
'I dunna getz it, is it dat hard to install anover lancher dudes?, you geez are dumbo'Trouble is, it takes actual effort to read and understand what's going on instead of plugging your ears shouting ANOTHER CLICK LOL WHATTA BUNCHA BABIES.
Sure, it's an exaggeration of sorts but meant to convey the blown out of proportion, extremely minor issues that posters have over the epic store or any competition to steam. Capitalism is the driving force of business in the free market economy. Maybe steam should offer developers and publishers more potential for revenue as well. It's clear that more money is desirable, yes? Can you blame them?If that's all you're seeing here then you aren't even remotely prepared to actually engage in the discussion. Also lol at calling other people petty before immediately downplaying the issue to suit your narrative.
Go back to baby's first copy of internet discourse and review some of the old threads, then maybe we'll talk.
That was literally my first thought when I saw the title of this thread.Coming this fall: "Borderlands 3 sells 2.5 times more than The Pre-Sequel - massive success for Epic store!"
You're calling for people to get mad at Steam for not counter-moneyhatting to compete with Epic?
The whole reason people are getting mad in the first place is because they don't want to see the PC space turn into the shitty exclusive fight that is the console market. That would be a most counter-productive course of action.
And you're basing this on what?
I knew those would go quick. Snatched my Diamond pre-order as soon as the link hit the wire.Xbox one collector editions are already sold out on Borderlands.com. I hope there aren't any scalpers, been waiting for this for too long.
My main focus is the moneyhat stuff, since PC has been a desirable platform for lack of that practice for some 20+ years now. There are things around the edges like the lack of store functionality and such that people will dig at Epic for, but they can for the most part be fixed with time and are just extra straws on the haybale by comparison.Sure, it's an exaggeration of sorts but meant to convey the blown out of proportion, extremely minor issues that posters have over the epic store or any competition to steam. Capitalism is the driving force of business in the free market economy. Maybe steam should offer developers and publishers more potential for revenue as well. It's clear that more money is desirable, yes? Can you blame them?
I don't know. There is as much proof for Valve paying Halo exclusivity as for Epic Games paying Borderlands 3 exclusivity: none. Yet people here claim they know Valve didn't do anything to get Halo exclusivity and Epic Games did everything to get Borderlands 3 exclusivity, like they went undercover at both companies. They just want a reason to hate Epic Games because their store lacks many basic features, but the reality is that game developers don't like Steam's revenue policies and therefore go to EGS.You think Valve paid for Halo exclusivity?
I don't know. There is as much proof for Valve paying Halo exclusivity as for Epic Games paying Borderlands 3 exclusivity: none. Yet people here claim they know Valve didn't do anything to get Halo exclusivity and Epic Games did everything to get Borderlands 3 exclusivity, like they went undercover at both companies. They just want a reason to hate Epic Games because their store lacks many basic features, but the reality is that game developers don't like Steam's revenue policies and therefore go to EGS.
Meh, I don't see the big deal. Exclusivity is a normal thing. If you want to play the game, download the epic store or wait until it comes to steam. If you want to send a message, don't download the game.
Ignoring the fact that the game is exclusive to the Epic Games Store for 6 months.There is as much proof for Valve paying Halo exclusivity as for Epic Games paying Borderlands 3 exclusivity: none.
Based on the direction MS is going, you might not have to 'pay in' to use their service before long either. And you're forgetting that you do in fact have to buy a PC in the first place, that's still money out. Just not to a platform holder.Except you'll never have to pay in to use epic game's store. You'll never have two pc's taking up entertainment space. Game store exclusivity and console exclusivity aren't remotely similar. I'm not sure why asking Steam to compete with epic is so absurd. They're already 'moneyhatting' with their % margin. Steam is just banking on devotion from fans to not have to do anything to compete. They're getting a whole bunch of undeserved good will by not doing anything.
What? They have already said that Borderlands 3 will come to EGS exclusive.
The reality is that the money doesn't even go to the developers, it goes to the publishers.
And the developers have nothing against Steam's revenue policies. Because if they did they would have caused an uproar years ago and negotiated a better contract with Valve.
What? They have already said that Borderlands 3 will come to EGS exclusive.
The reality is that the money doesn't even go to the developers, it goes to the publishers.
And the developers have nothing against Steam's revenue policies. Because if they did they would have caused an uproar years ago and negotiated a better contract with Valve.
People dislike Epic because of what they are trying to pull in the PC gaming space, making exclusives a thing.
You don't know jack shit and are talking out of your ass.
Uhh what? Exclusivity is NOT a normal thing on PC.
What kind of astroturfing bullshit am I reading here man? Wtf are all these Epic stans? Are you guys Fortnite fanboys coming out of the woodworks to fight the "EVIL VALVE" and their "LOW EFFORT LIBRARY OF STEAM GAMES" ?
Who are these people? There is literally NO positives to buying on the EGS compared to Steam or any other platform. Can you name one besides being able to buy that exclusive game?
There's a difference between understanding and capitulating.The difference is that I can understand basic business decisions.
Again, this is a blatant double standard. THere are TONS of games you can't play if you don't install steam.People dislike Epic because of what they are trying to pull in the PC gaming space, making exclusives a thing.
Do you REALLY not see the difference between one online store PAYING publishers do make the game exclusive to their platform, and the publishers themselves choosing to only publish on Steam, with not a single thing stopping them from also publishing on any other distribution platform they want?THere are TONS of games you can't play if you don't install steam.
Are you going to keep ignoring most responses to your posts and then chime in again a page or two later with the same lines? I'm at least trying to argue and discuss in good faith hereI don't know. There is as much proof for Valve paying Halo exclusivity as for Epic Games paying Borderlands 3 exclusivity: none. Yet people here claim they know Valve didn't do anything to get Halo exclusivity and Epic Games did everything to get Borderlands 3 exclusivity, like they went undercover at both companies. They just want a reason to hate Epic Games because their store lacks many basic features, but the reality is that game developers don't like Steam's revenue policies and therefore go to EGS.
We're hitting up against the distinction of "paid exclusives" versus "only available here". People are up in arms over the "paid exclusives" part. Nobody is stopping From Software from putting Sekiro or DS3 on other PC stores but that is the case with paid exclusives - I'm guessing they don't want to deal with the logistics of launching on every store for the remaining potential piece of the pie. However, as Simply_Bry wants us to state... I don't know that.Again, this is a blatant double standard. THere are TONS of games you can't play if you don't install steam.
But you guys are always been ok with this because you're steam fanboys.
Agree on the rest, though. The 30% cut is pretty much normal and Epic's smaller cut goes to publishers. Developers won't see a cent.
Do you REALLY not see the difference between being able to play a game ONLY By installing steam, and playing it without having to install any launcher/having on a different store?Do you REALLY not see the difference between one online store PAYING publishers do make the game exclusive to their platform, and the publishers themselves choosing to only publish on Steam, with not a single thing stopping them from also publishing on any other distribution platform they want?
Hell no, that was a million times better than being forced to install an useless piece of software and transitioning de-facto ownership to a service.necessary evil to get rid of the awful CD/DVD based DRM we had to put up with.
Microsoft ist fighting to keep the brands alive that are drifting into irrelevance. You don't do that by nailing it into the coffin that is the windows store.Pretty sure microsoft got a great deal from valve and microsoft prolly didnt pay the 30% cut.
But hey i am just guessing.
Maybe microsoft just likes steam
Wake up
Again, this is a blatant double standard. THere are TONS of games you can't play if you don't install steam.
But you guys are always been ok with this because you're steam fanboys.
Agree on the rest, though. The 30% cut is pretty much normal and Epic's smaller cut goes to publishers. Developers won't see a cent.
My bad. Totally left out elitist attitudes and false sense of entitlement.
Man, console wars are something but the launcher wars has to be the most petty. At least with console you have the financial argument of spending $400 on another box. What was the problem with an alternate launcher? An additional icon? OH NOES!!!!!
LOL.
Each to their own. I considered the DRM that arbitrarily stopped me running games while also running any power-user software on my computer a far larger affront. Some required a clean reboot after using these tools before you were allowed to play again. Hell I remember many instances where games' DRM would outright break back then for no discernable reason - off to google to troubleshoot, often fruitlessly. Like it or not, when you were running a game before Steam, you still had useless software running too.Hell no, that was a million times better than being forced to install an useless piece of software and transitioning de-facto ownership to a service
My bad. Totally left out elitist attitudes and false sense of entitlement.
Man, console wars are something but the launcher wars has to be the most petty. At least with console you have the financial argument of spending $400 on another box. What was the problem with an alternate launcher? An additional icon? OH NOES!!!!!
LOL.
Except you'll never have to pay in to use epic game's store. You'll never have two pc's taking up entertainment space. Game store exclusivity and console exclusivity aren't remotely similar. I'm not sure why asking Steam to compete with epic is so absurd. They're already 'moneyhatting' with their % margin. Steam is just banking on devotion from fans to not have to do anything to compete. They're getting a whole bunch of undeserved good will by not doing anything.
Except you'll never have to pay in to use epic game's store. You'll never have two pc's taking up entertainment space. Game store exclusivity and console exclusivity aren't remotely similar. I'm not sure why asking Steam to compete with epic is so absurd. They're already 'moneyhatting' with their % margin. Steam is just banking on devotion from fans to not have to do anything to compete. They're getting a whole bunch of undeserved good will by not doing anything.
Do you REALLY not see the difference between being able to play a game ONLY By installing steam, and playing it without having to install any launcher/having on a different store?
Also, they're timed exclusives. So, the game will be in MORE stores after a set period of time. Which is something that doesn't happen with steam exclusives.
So you're a console gamer?
Next gen, if Sony or Microsoft released a console that was a step backwards in every conceivable way and it's online was basically a shop front and peer to peer online. Everything else was removed. No friends list, no group/party chats, no achievements, no social media/youtube integration, no PS+ or Games with Gold.
You would happily choose that console over the competition who still has all of the above?
They aren't banking on anything. They believe in a free and open market. They want the customers, publishers and developers to go where they want.
Opinions contrary to your own must be astroturfing and bribed? You might want to get a grip, friend. Too much X-Files or something?You keep astroturfing bro, Tim must pay you a lot like the game devs he bribes, get lost.
This argument is weak. Epic are actively moving to secure exclusives with money, whereas valve did so implicitly by creating a new niche in the PC market. They don't attempt to prevent games from appearing on other storefronts and developers are entirely free to extend their sales to EGS or various other platforms, so it's a non-equivalent comparison.Again, this is a blatant double standard. THere are TONS of games you can't play if you don't install steam.
That I can't disagree with, but I also don't disillusion myself with the idea that it's going to come back. We're in the darkest timeline already, keeping on about it when the industry has long since moved on to other creative ways to shit on customers is Abe Simpson material.Hell no, that was a million times better than being forced to install an useless piece of software and transitioning de-facto ownership to a service.
There's a difference between understanding and capitulating.
Understand why these things happen and thinking they're absolute nonsense are not mutually exclusive.