Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Final fantasy XV will be the open world RPG to save us all.
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Twin Tails
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Last year 92, year before 59.
GOTY fever is real.
It's crazy to see Gaf turn on this game. Prior to launch, I got laughed at for making the exact same points people are now. I said that The Witcher raised the bar and people's standards. It's just taking them a long time to realize it.
I predict a good chunk of GAF will hate that game and I will be head over heals for it. Such is the way of Final Fantasy now.
Trust me I wish this would happen, but I doubt it.
And it's Day Two.
I'd be surprised if anyone else but Vinny, who is a Doctor Who fan, knew who David Tennant was.
Isn't that basically what that Fallout app was?
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Make your own NPCs in 5!
You know, I would actually not be mad if they have an easy way to let people create their own vignettes based on the fallout world.
That game is just Fallout Farmville in every conceivable way.
So long as they touch the ground when you create them.
Oh man, I love the idea of Alex bringing up Tennant as a comparison without knowing who he is.
When Fallout was revealed at this year's E3 I was like "Hell yeah!". When they revealed they eschewed Skills and railroaded the perk tree that's when I turned on the game, as an indication of where they wanted to go.
Hey now! Let's not get crazy here. Bethesda aren't magicians. You can't really expect that.
Fallout Shelter is exactly the kind of bad shit that gives F2P such a stigma. It's exactly why I'm met with blank stares when I talk about how awesome PAD and Terra Battle are.
I haven't played Fallout 4 so can't speak on quality myself there.
But The Witcher 3 has "ruined" things for me because CD Projekt have raised my standards for open world RPG's to such a high level I didn't think possible.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Like don't get me wrong, I still want to get back to fallout 4.
But that's with knowing full well about the problems it has.
But that's with knowing full well about the problems it has.
Backfoggen
Banned
It's the first actual real big year in games in some time so it's understandable.
During the music deliberations.
I've been saying this literally since the reveal. I basically said 'Bethesda better have a new writing staff, because I ain't dealing with that shit post-Witcher 3'. I was met over and over with arguments about clockwork worlds and Fallout not being about that.
Feeling incredibly vindicated. Not gonna lie.
Yeah I realized that about an hour (less probably) in and thought, "This is a game designed for my mom, why would they design a game for my mom?"
People played it like it was the freshest bizniss regardless.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Actually was the main GB thread closed last year also? Could certainly explain the page numbers.
In the last 12 months I have played 3 RPGs which have such superior writing compared to Fallout 4 it's not even funny. And two of those came from Kickstarter!
Only 3? I can think of at least 4, and I'm probably missing some.
Splatoon has better writing than Fallout 4 and the only damn world building that game has comes in dumb collectables.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Also divinity OS >>>> fallout 4 when it comes to world interactivity.
Kadayi
Banned
Seriously cannot believe Brad & Austin were handwaving away the general jankiness of FO4 because somehow it being expected of Bethesda therefore makes it acceptable in some fashion. Fuck that shit. Plenty of other developers manage to build open worlds and keep that stuff to a minimum so I just don't buy that Beth somehow qualify for a pass in that regard. That is some major fanboy head in effect when you're incapable of seeing the wood for the trees.
Props for Jeff to calling Beth out on it. When they bought out ID everyone assumed that they'd leverage the technical expertise of the team that made RAGE to if not make a new engine for their open world games, at least radically improve the one they have, but nope. Just a small polish up of Gamebryo and 'hey we added base building' (who wanted this?) and moar guns!!!. Great. Opportunity missed.
Props for Jeff to calling Beth out on it. When they bought out ID everyone assumed that they'd leverage the technical expertise of the team that made RAGE to if not make a new engine for their open world games, at least radically improve the one they have, but nope. Just a small polish up of Gamebryo and 'hey we added base building' (who wanted this?) and moar guns!!!. Great. Opportunity missed.
What's your fourth one? I only remember Wasteland 2, Pillars of Eternity and Witcher 3. Maybe I am missing something.
Witcher, Pillars (Haven't played it, but have seen enough to judge it's great), Trails in the Sky SC and Trails of Cold Steel. If we count Yakuza 5 as an RPG, that as well.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
No divinity?
Well I have not played the Trails games, that explains it then.
I think the systems in Divinity are great, but I think the writing is kinda weak.
Prototype Viktor
Member
isn't their argument against Fallout 4 being in the top 3 of no one does what they do more about the size of the group making the Fallout/Elder Scrolls. Isn't the Witcher 3 dev count way smaller same with the Wii U game
Well I have not played the Trails games, that explains it then.
Best writing I've seen in an RPG post-Persona 4. I don't say that lightly at all.
High praise, especially considering I consider P3 and 4 like the few good examples of well written JRPGs these days.
Dragon Puncher
Member
Toy Soldiers seemed to "win" because Austin and Brad fought hard against FO4 and because everybody except Alex weren't that high on Hotline Miami 1 to begin with. When discussions go this long Brad always wins.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Not a high bar even in the series, tbf.
As someone who likes JRPG stories despite most of them being Anime trash, I totally agree with you.
ShaggsMagoo
Member
Jeff calling Splatoon a lost Dreamcast Game was one of those lightbulb going off over my head, holy shit realizations. I never noticed it before but it was 100% correct.
Hell yes! Loved that moment as well. It's not even meant in a mean way, it just feels like something we have lost somewhere down the line.
Visually, I think he's spot on. From a gameplay perspective, Splatoon has a deep polish and creativity that you really only see from Nintendo.
Man I think Trails's story and characters kick the shit out of the Persona duology.
NowI really want to try these games, but they are not on platforms I currently own.
Both Shadowrun games I played in the past 12 months (Dragonfall and Hong Kong) have had better writing than Fallout 4 and I'm pretty sure at least one of them were Kickstarters.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I disagree with that. It's a bit too JRPG for me to really love it.
Plus every character is so goddamn... earnest in that 80's anime way.
Plus every character is so goddamn... earnest in that 80's anime way.
I love Trails and hate you for making me compare my babies.
I think the Persona 3+4 duology (4 moreso than 3) has a depth of character work that you don't see in games, really ever. I have yet to see a cast that feels more like real people than the Persona 4 cast. The main narratives are standard, but that's just the stage that the characters act on. It's their personal stories that actually matter.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
It reminds me a little bit of Jet Set Radio. I know I'm not alone in thinking that.
Shit I forgot Shadowrun Hong Kong. I totally played that as well. Yeah that also had better writing. And yes both of those came from Kickstarter.
It should be able to run on even the crappiest of PCs.
CoolBatteryCharge
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Persona 3's story is amazing, but I wouldn't consider Persona 4 to be well written. P4 is mainly engaging characters and a handful of great moments writing-wise.
