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GOG is losing money and refocusing on ‘handpicked selection of games’

Skifi28

Member
The platform not forcing a launcher is objectively the superior platform.
I disagree. Launchers themselves are not the problem. If anything, they're there fo fix issues pc gaming had before them. It's hard to go back to individually managing your games and updates after you've used steam for a few years. The problem is that not all launchers work as well and then you are forced to launch launchers from other launchers, that's where it gets complicated and annoying.
 
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MrFunSocks

Banned
Imagine blaming people for the decline of any given service because they don't want to use an objectively inferior platform.
Imagine even remotely caring about where you buy or open a game from lol. It's mind boggling. PC gamers all say they want this fully open platform, but then the majority of them just want to be completely locked in to Steam.

As a PC gamer myself, I think those people are embarrassing. I press start and type the name of the game I want to play and click on it. Done. Don't care where I bought it from.
 
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Topher

Gold Member
Imagine even remotely caring about where you buy or open a game from lol. It's mind boggling. PC gamers all say they want this fully open platform, but then the majority of them just want to be completely locked in to Steam.

As a PC gamer myself, I think those people are embarrassing. I press start and type the name of the game I want to play and click on it. Done. Don't care where I bought it from.

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MrFunSocks

Banned
> "It's just a launcher bro. I don't care where my games are."
> Rockstar's Social Club goes down for days due to the GTA remasters and people can't even play RDR2 or GTAV.

Congratulations, now your games are nowhere to be seen.
Long live the PC Master Race.
First world problems hey. You know what I'd do then? Play a different game.
 

MrFunSocks

Banned
Yeah, fuck those people for having the gall of wanting to play games they paid money to get.
God, this shoe leather is so tasty.
lol you guys love to go straight to calling people boot lickers don't you? Go abuse people on facebook and twitter, I'm sure you're good at that.

If you get this angry over not being able to play a video game for a few hours/days I suggest you talk to someone about that.
 
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Phase

Member
I usually opt to buy on GOG over Steam to support them. Sad to hear. Hopefully it won't change too much.
 
Problems with gog are mostly due to visibility and only caring about the USD. When I get interested in a game I can be pretty sure its available on steam. To know if its on gog I have to check. They curate but only they know the rules. I can only buy gog "keys" on gog and no 3rd party sellers either.

Other problems that are on the back of my mind
1) no "complete this bundle". I can't save by buying sets of dlc or games who are collaborating.
2) some devs don't keep the gog version up to date. I have to guess if the game will be fully patched.
3) gotta pay more because I am not in America.
4) still have region locking. For example. Can't buy metal gear from Japan. There is no worldwide key on a 3rd party sellers.
 
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RoboFu

One of the green rats
And then we have no storefronts other than steam, which is not good, but that's what you want isn't it? I've never seen so many people actively asking for a monopoly lol.
But .. it’s just a launcher.. right? So why do you care?
 

Larxia

Member
The platform not forcing a launcher is objectively the superior platform.
Well technically Steam isn't forcing any launcher. I think most people ignore it but it's still a fact that steam itself doesn't necessarily means DRM, Valve let the choice to the publisher to use DRMs or not.

There are games on steam that are completely DRM free, you can use steam to download them, update them etc, but you can also launch them outside of steam, offline, even after uninstalling steam etc, without any issue. They are a minority, because most publishers decide to use a drm, but it's definitely not Valve / Steam enforcing it.

 

FStubbs

Member
Except very few people would bother buying them (except at steep discounts) unless they somehow missed them the first time around, because they already own them on some other client. Selling "old games" only really works for titles that were initially launched before the digital platform age, or who somehow happened to receive a subpar porting on other platforms which was never updated (ex. VTMB).
There were a few games that launched on Steam that I double dipped on gog, and others that I waited for a gog release.
 

Soodanim

Member
I never understood why they did this, no one can benefit except those who want to play without paying
That's not true at all, you just haven't thought of who benefits.

It's a very simple concept. You buy a game, and you get the files to use as you see fit (within the confines of relevant laws). Once you download the installer, that's it. You can back up those installers forever and install those games on whatever PC you want, because you paid for them. You aren't forced to update if you don't want to. DRM is a barrier between you and your games, and some people don't want barriers when they buy products. Simply put, it's a customer friendly approach to games.

This year Denuvo servers went down and people couldn't play the games they had bought. Some Intel processors had/have issues with DRM on Windows 11.

The ideal situation is that GOG starts selling slightly games that have all of the publisher launcher shit (like Ubi) ripped out so that we can get just buy the games without the rest of it. That's something people really want, although it's not likely.
 
So, Hypothetically what happens if they pull the plug on GOG? What happens to people like me who have invested 100s in their games. I love their site, library and launcher and look there first and foremost before anywhere else.
I love the no hassle installers. The extras cluebooks and such for older games. Being able to launch 80s , 90s and 2000s classics is invaluable.

I really hope nothing happens to them, they provide a valuable service. I choose gog first for all older games, and for new stuff i use isthereanydeal.com to get the best prices, if I need to use Steam. I love the galaxy launcher as it integrates my steam, ubisoft, epic, origin, hell it even lists psn games and trophies etc with play stats. Frankly they need to double down on the launcher, add more options, chat interfaces and ways to bypass ubisoft, steam , epic launchers and just double click from there. Would be awesome if they could pull it off.

Did my part and bought a bunch of classics the other day. Game library 1000+ my backlog is never ending lol....
 

MrFunSocks

Banned
So, Hypothetically what happens if they pull the plug on GOG? What happens to people like me who have invested 100s in their games. I love their site, library and launcher and look there first and foremost before anywhere else.
I love the no hassle installers. The extras cluebooks and such for older games. Being able to launch 80s , 90s and 2000s classics is invaluable.

I really hope nothing happens to them, they provide a valuable service. I choose gog first for all older games, and for new stuff i use isthereanydeal.com to get the best prices, if I need to use Steam. I love the galaxy launcher as it integrates my steam, ubisoft, epic, origin, hell it even lists psn games and trophies etc with play stats. Frankly they need to double down on the launcher, add more options, chat interfaces and ways to bypass ubisoft, steam , epic launchers and just double click from there. Would be awesome if they could pull it off.

Did my part and bought a bunch of classics the other day. Game library 1000+ my backlog is never ending lol....
Download your games and keep them backed up.
 

mutt765

Member
So, Hypothetically what happens if they pull the plug on GOG? What happens to people like me who have invested 100s in their games. I love their site, library and launcher and look there first and foremost before anywhere else.
I love the no hassle installers. The extras cluebooks and such for older games. Being able to launch 80s , 90s and 2000s classics is invaluable.

I really hope nothing happens to them, they provide a valuable service. I choose gog first for all older games, and for new stuff i use isthereanydeal.com to get the best prices, if I need to use Steam. I love the galaxy launcher as it integrates my steam, ubisoft, epic, origin, hell it even lists psn games and trophies etc with play stats. Frankly they need to double down on the launcher, add more options, chat interfaces and ways to bypass ubisoft, steam , epic launchers and just double click from there. Would be awesome if they could pull it off.

Did my part and bought a bunch of classics the other day. Game library 1000+ my backlog is never ending lol....

Thank you, after reading this thread I thought I was the only one who likes Galaxy. I shop exactly how you do, old games on GOG and everything else where its cheapest but I'll pick GOG if its close.

I never understood people's loyalty to steam, serious question, what's the reason for it? Is it the social features? mods? collectibles? I basically never open it except to buy games.
 

Fuz

Gold Member
> "It's just a launcher bro. I don't care where my games are."
> Rockstar's Social Club goes down for days due to the GTA remasters and people can't even play RDR2 or GTAV.

Congratulations, now your games are nowhere to be seen.
Long live the PC Master Race.
This (and egs and so on) happened because you all accepted steam.
I never understood people's loyalty to steam, serious question, what's the reason for it?
Tribalism.
 
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Aure

Member
I used to be the part of the ''No Steam, No buy'' crowd years ago, but now i buy games mostly in all platforms, but only if know it will be worth it.
However, i prefer to keep a franchise or a collection in one place, and in such case i don't mind if i have to wait a little bit longer.

As for GOG, i have a few games there, i like how simple it is and how well it works. It'd be a shame to see them bankrupt, i just hope not.
 
Maybe if GOG didnt have crazy 50-70% off deals for the same game every month they'd make some money. Many of the oldies arent even on Steam. So for gamers interested in classics, GOG doesn't have to bargain bin Heroes of M&M 3 to 75% off to $1.99 every month or two.

Amazingly, its not like digital storefronts even have to buy and store stacks of cases of inventory. It's all digital cuts. So their cost structure is running a website, servers, paying fees to allow credit cards, and all the staff to maintain it.

Guess the revenue is a lot smaller than I think it is on GOG.
I reckon part of the problem is that GOG matched Epic's cut. Contrary to popular opinion 30% is not unreasonable and 12% just isn't sustainable (and Epic knows it). As soon as they did that they had to kill off the Fair Price Package...which was not a popular move. It means there's less money floating around, which makes it harder for them to bankroll decent sales (sometimes you have to spend money to make money). There's also the recent online only debacle with Hitman...again, not a popular move (although they did pull it in response to the backlash).
 

Guilty_AI

Member
I never understood people's loyalty to steam, serious question, what's the reason for it? Is it the social features? mods? collectibles? I basically never open it except to buy games.
I've never seen anyone who's "loyal" to Steam. Truth is most people just can't be bothered with other launchers.

I remember showing GOG to my friends and their reaction was mostly "eh whatever".
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I reckon part of the problem is that GOG matched Epic's cut. Contrary to popular opinion 30% is not unreasonable and 12% just isn't sustainable (and Epic knows it). As soon as they did that they had to kill off the Fair Price Package...which was not a popular move. It means there's less money floating around, which makes it harder for them to bankroll decent sales (sometimes you have to spend money to make money). There's also the recent online only debacle with Hitman...again, not a popular move (although they did pull it in response to the backlash).
Dont see why 30% is an issue either. Devs just like to complain. And it seems Steam, MS and Sony doing 30% is doing fine upkeeping their stores.

When stuff is sold at stores, the brick and mortar cut isnt going to be much different.

Devs will say why should a digital store get a good cut when all they do is transmit a file. Well, the digital store owner can say the same thing back. Why do they think they deserve a bigger cut back when all they do is send a file to Steam or GOG and let them do the rest of it. No inventory to hold or have on the balance sheet. No manufacturing discs and manuals (including different versions like how in Canada a French manual or cover slip is sometimes shrinkwrapped in the case). No shipping costs.

12% cut is such a weird number too. I guess they went super aggressive to make a splash as opposed to 20%. And like all things in life, have fun increasing that 12% rate if they are desperate to raise revenue.
 
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Karonoth

Member
So, Hypothetically what happens if they pull the plug on GOG? What happens to people like me who have invested 100s in their games. I love their site, library and launcher and look there first and foremost before anywhere else.
I love the no hassle installers. The extras cluebooks and such for older games. Being able to launch 80s , 90s and 2000s classics is invaluable.

I really hope nothing happens to them, they provide a valuable service. I choose gog first for all older games, and for new stuff i use isthereanydeal.com to get the best prices, if I need to use Steam. I love the galaxy launcher as it integrates my steam, ubisoft, epic, origin, hell it even lists psn games and trophies etc with play stats. Frankly they need to double down on the launcher, add more options, chat interfaces and ways to bypass ubisoft, steam , epic launchers and just double click from there. Would be awesome if they could pull it off.

Did my part and bought a bunch of classics the other day. Game library 1000+ my backlog is never ending lol....
GOG is basically my go-to store for CRPGs and most indies and I'll keep buying them there. The worst thing that could happen is that they close the store or something, but since the games are DRM free you can just download everything and store it on a hard drive or something. So there's really no reason to be worried.
 
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Thank you, after reading this thread I thought I was the only one who likes Galaxy. I shop exactly how you do, old games on GOG and everything else where its cheapest but I'll pick GOG if its close.

I never understood people's loyalty to steam, serious question, what's the reason for it? Is it the social features? mods? collectibles? I basically never open it except to buy games.
I will get newer games on steam if the price is cheaper, and some games have mods that are only on Steam Workshop (can't think of any off hand, besides civ5). Also some cross save games like divinity original sin only works cross save with steam because the devs never updated the ability to do it on gog or anywhere else, so I bought that on steam.

Steam also has great user reviews where you can filter negative and positive reviews, see the numbers and if they own the games. Plus individual game discussion forums. Which is great as unofficial patch /mod guides are usually posted.

I like steam. I have been using it since day 1, but i prefer gog and its no drm approach, cleaner storefront and better old game extras.
 
I reckon part of the problem is that GOG matched Epic's cut. Contrary to popular opinion 30% is not unreasonable and 12% just isn't sustainable (and Epic knows it). As soon as they did that they had to kill off the Fair Price Package...which was not a popular move. It means there's less money floating around, which makes it harder for them to bankroll decent sales (sometimes you have to spend money to make money). There's also the recent online only debacle with Hitman...again, not a popular move (although they did pull it in response to the backlash).
If 12% isn't sustainable what about $1 GamePass?
 

Mozzarella

Member
GoG is a great store, when i have the opportunity i always buy from it, but it doesnt have the amount of games like Steam store and most people buy new games rather than PC classics so i understand them not making a lot of money, I hope the store keeps doing good because i like it.
 
One of GOG's many problem is the curated nature of the store.
Publishing a game on Steam comes with zero friction and only costs 100$. On GOG there's no fee, but you need to apply and they are very likely to reject the application, if they don't think the game is a good fit for GOG. Which is all the time and rejection rates are so bad, devs don't even bother with the process anymore.
Even the chucklenuts that used to spam Steam forums for GOG versions figured this out and stopped.

As OP suggested, they're going to dig in even harder on this. Good luck.
Yes I agree on the curation issue. btw there is also another drm free store called zoom platform that has games gog doesn't and I believe its because they are more open than gog is when it comes to game releases.
 

Filben

Member
According to your logic, the devs themselves don't have the balls either:
This is something I don't quite understand and is probably the reason video games will always be seen as entertainment and not art. No other medium, when we look at films or especially books and paintings would have this. Maybe because it can't be changed on the whim, only with a new release, re-press, after it left the publishing house.

In video games though, you see character descriptions changed because someone on Twitter was offended. You see hidden jokes removed completely because a certain community felt offended over something only 0,0001% would ever found. You see in-game, in-universe artwork changed because people felt offended over police/gay mockery. You see a Confederate flag changed, you see anti Xi Jinping poster changed. In German versions of (historical) games you wouldn't see any swastikas.

Developers have often so little respect for the art they created originally that it is sometimes hard to take them serious when they talk of their "vision" of a game. There's no """vision""". The only vision you have is to make as many people buy your game and make as much money as possible. And if it means to removed or alter something than they happily do that.

I never understood people's loyalty to steam, serious question, what's the reason for it? Is it the social features? mods? collectibles? I basically never open it except to buy games.
I frequently uses Steam "Follow" and "Activity" feature. It's a great way to keep up with patches and development or early access or other titles without relying on cancer Twitter or other social media platforms that's the shit right now. I don't like to check clickbaity news sites or simply search in a lot of different places. But when I click on the activity feed in Steam I can instantly see what my friends were up to and how games are evolving I've been following; I see patch notes and developer commentary.
 
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MrFunSocks

Banned
This is something I don't quite understand and is probably the reason video games will always be seen as entertainment and not art. No other medium, when we look at films or especially books and paintings would have this. Maybe because it can't be changed on the whim, only with a new release, re-press, after it left the publishing house.

In video games though, you see character descriptions changed because someone on Twitter was offended. You see hidden jokes removed completely because a certain community felt offended over something only 0,0001% would ever found. You see in-game, in-universe artwork changed because people felt offended over police/gay mockery. You see a Confederate flag changed, you see anti Xi Jinping poster changed. In German versions of (historical) games you wouldn't see any swastikas.

Developers have often so little respect for the art they created originally that it is sometimes hard to take them serious when they talk of their "vision" of a game. There's no """vision""". The only vision you have is to make as many people buy your game and make as much money as possible. And if it means to removed or alter something than they happily do that.


I frequently uses Steam "Follow" and "Activity" feature. It's a great way to keep up with patches and development or early access or other titles without relying on cancer Twitter or other social media platforms that's the shit right now. I don't like to check clickbaity news sites or simply search in a lot of different places. But when I click on the activity feed in Steam I can instantly see what my friends were up to and how games are evolving I've been following; I see patch notes and developer commentary.
Movies and tv shows have been being retroactively censored for a while now.
 

Fuz

Gold Member
another drm free store called zoom platform
Just gave it a try. The store functionality is really, really, really bad.
First: you can't filter the games by price. I signed up for an account, then I was adding the free games to my newborn library and every game I clicked I had to go from store, to library and back to store, where the system reloads only part of the list and you have to scroll down and let load, scroll down and let load, and so on for every single game. Big giant nope.
 
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Filben

Member
Movies and tv shows have been being retroactively censored for a while now.
Yes but they can't change the version I own as a file on my HDD or disc unlike games with forced auto-updates.

Even when playing single player games... playing 1.0 of a (digital) game on PS4 is a pain in the ass.
 
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FStubbs

Member
I reckon part of the problem is that GOG matched Epic's cut. Contrary to popular opinion 30% is not unreasonable and 12% just isn't sustainable (and Epic knows it). As soon as they did that they had to kill off the Fair Price Package...which was not a popular move. It means there's less money floating around, which makes it harder for them to bankroll decent sales (sometimes you have to spend money to make money). There's also the recent online only debacle with Hitman...again, not a popular move (although they did pull it in response to the backlash).
I didn't know they did this. Yeah, that would definitely hurt, considering Tencent's long term goal is to bleed Steam of exclusives and force them out of business, meaning they don't care how much they lose on EGS. Gog can't compete at 12%.
 

sol_bad

Member
I have over 1500 games on Steam and over 600 games on GoG. I only have about 17 games left on my GoG wishlist. They need to do what they originally set out to do, source more good old games that you can't get anywhere else. The more old games they get the more my wishlist and purchases grow.
 
Just gave it a try. The store functionality is really, really, really bad.
First: you can't filter the games by price. I signed up for an account, then I was adding the free games to my newborn library and every game I clicked I had to go from store, to library and back to store, where the system reloads only part of the list and you have to scroll down and let load, scroll down and let load, and so on for every single game. Big giant nope.
I believe the price filter is a known issue to them and will be added, I will let them know about the scroll loading though. They have a discord where you can directly communicate with them.
 
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Well technically Steam isn't forcing any launcher. I think most people ignore it but it's still a fact that steam itself doesn't necessarily means DRM, Valve let the choice to the publisher to use DRMs or not.

There are games on steam that are completely DRM free, you can use steam to download them, update them etc, but you can also launch them outside of steam, offline, even after uninstalling steam etc, without any issue. They are a minority, because most publishers decide to use a drm, but it's definitely not Valve / Steam enforcing it.

Didn't this change recently when Steam updated their service so that all games on their platform will require updates when applicable? Thus there is no longer "DRM free" games on Steam anymore?
 
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