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[golem.de with Shawn Layden] Sony bets on real PS 5 instead of console revolution
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My thoughts aswell
Because it will only run on the PS5.
Devilgunman
Member
Jim Ryan at PS5 launch
"Why would anyone play PS4 games?'
"Why would anyone play PS4 games?'
"Please buy the remastered one".
Heckler456
Banned
I'm sorry, I don't follow.
LukasTaves
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There's nothing Sony did or say, not just in that interview, that gives even a small hint of BC on ps5. But then again, ensuring that now would only make their defense for PS4 not having it be even more bullshit than it already is.
However, considering they couldn't even expose the whole Pro GPU to unpatched games, it's very likely that BC with ps4 would have to be hardware based, and if it really is chances are Sony won't support it.
''The PS5 is the ultimate device to protect the children''
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Making what changes. What are they doing to get extra life out of the Jaguar well in to the 2020's?
They won't, MS will drop it too. Nextbox will have full back compat AND exclusive games. It's the only realistic way of progress. Book it!
UpUpDownDown
Member
are you talking about the boost mode that makes unpatched PS4 games run better?
Do you forget the huge amount of cross generational games that come out in the first year or two of a consoles life? It will happen regardless of what Sony says as publishers try to appeal to the tens of millions of owners still on last gen systems as well as new gen adopters.
thats fine and sensible. Assuming they stick with an x86 approach it doesn't even cause major issues with publishers - their workflows on PC based engines will adapt easily to PS5, and will be able to provide PS4/pro versions at relatively little additional cost - so they can cover both bases well.
Should be much less of an issue with launch content
Should be much less of an issue with launch content
Well, if they provide something like MS does, for example?
Like forced v-sync, 16xaf for every game, better fps for games with variable framerate or dropped framerates, higher resolution in games with dynamic resolution, faster load times...
And everything without you spending money again, if you already own the game.
There's a huge difference between a few third party crossgen popping up in the early days of a new consoles, compared to mandatory compatibility which would affect everyone, includinf 1st party.
PS2 had full backwards compatibility, as did early models of PS3.
"Iterative updates" refer to forward compatibility (which I hope the PS5 will not have).
Bustanen
Member
PS5 coming sooner than expected. 2018/2019 believe.
pixellated_man
Member
So you consider PS2 (which was fully BC with PS1 games) and Wii (fully BC with GameCube games) iterative consoles?
MaulerX
Member
Fair point, but the original game should be open from the get-go to future "lifting" and I'm not sure softcos are so devoted to their fanbase. It will also cost something and probably only a small part of the audience will appreciate.
Shin
Banned
Pretty much this, they better take notes because it's embarrassing how much MS is doing right with their hardware while PlayStation doesn't do shit but keeps banking.
By then maybe 8-10 mill at best, scraps compared to base PS4 owners.
I don't know if such a decision would be set in stone this early. I'm optimistic for BC but not surprised they are leaving their options open.
test_account
XP-39C²
The PS4 isnt going to change regardless when the PS4 comes out though. PS5 wont be out before 2019 at the earliest.
it's probably 3 years away, it's a bit early to be talking about details of a console, no? lol
I think it will definitely have BC with PS4. It wont be FC in any way, except that maybe the PS5 game controller will work with a PS4.
What worries me more is that since other consoles are taking the iterrative approach, and are sacrificing power and technology so that future games work on older generations, third parties will develop for those consoles in mind first and not take advantage of the PS5 power difference.
What worries me more is that since other consoles are taking the iterrative approach, and are sacrificing power and technology so that future games work on older generations, third parties will develop for those consoles in mind first and not take advantage of the PS5 power difference.
Not really.
Tetsujin_MK
Member
This. Would be nice if I could eventually play my PS4 games in Pro mode on the PS5.
I would think the customers who are willing to pay for a mid gen upgrade are the ones most likely to be in on day 1 with a proper console upgrade.
With digital growing and more people fearing that it won't be, no.
Esp when you have MS coming out a year or so ago and saying it will be.
AmuroChan
Member
I agree with you, but I thought for certain Sony would allow cross-platform play as well and they didn't. Seems like arrogant Sony is back. I'm a little worried about BC on PS5.
Shin
Banned
You can't come out and confirm anything of a system that doesn't exists.
And if you did you would bring uncertainty to current buyers, meaning they will be more eager to wait for the new version.
Generations will always exists, even with an iterative model. For example, if MS goes down the iterative route, at a point in the future, there will be games that won't play on the OG Xbox One. They'll have to leave those low power jaguars behind one day.
But I do hope Sony embraces backwards compatibilty. If they continue on with x86 (seems likely) and also keep working with AMD I can see it happen.
But I do hope Sony embraces backwards compatibilty. If they continue on with x86 (seems likely) and also keep working with AMD I can see it happen.
I don't know if it will be that simple, though. The x86 ISA alone doesn't guarantee backwards compatibility, as microarcitechtures can still vary quite significantly even with the same ISA. Assuming PS5 is built on an iteration of Zen then that could potentially be problematic, as Zen is a totally different paradigm to Jaguar. It's really going to boil down to how u-arch agnostic and flexible PS4 code is.
Edit: Keep in mind, the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X both still use Jaguar, despite the fact Puma (a direct evolution of the Jaguar u-arch) existed as an option. Whilst we can't know for sure why, I'd wager it's because Puma would have broke BC.
I think it will have BC purely on the basis publishers will push for it because of the rise of GaaS and resetting/losing their revenue stream isn't ideal.
😂 😂 There might also be a PS5 Pro.
mcdomination
Member
Show us on the doll where the PS4 Pro touched you..
Binding yourself by promising something for a system stll in R&D and several years away is just nonsensical, compared to just shutting up and spilling the beans when it's time.
Yeah, I was starting to get sick of this crap.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
What have they said?
Shin
Banned
mcdomination
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