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Goodbye woke liberals, hello dirtbag left

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Another interesting piece in the Times - good to see the non-woke trying to reclaim the left, hope it's not just newspaper bullshit.

Goodbye woke liberals, hello dirtbag left
A raucous brand of left-wing activism is taking over from our pious, politically correct youth

At a rally in Iowa earlier this year, the 700-strong audience gleefully reprised an old chant: “Lock her up! Lock her up!” Their target was Hillary Clinton, obviously. On stage, the hosts attacked Democratic politicians: Pete Buttigieg was denounced as a “bloodless asexual”, Michael Bloomberg as a “midget gremlin” and supporters of Joe Biden as “gelatinous 100-year-olds”. Afterwards, a journalist from The New York Times went home and wrote a disapproving report of what she’d seen. But she was not writing about a fringe event for supporters of President Trump, she was getting to grips with the new face of left-wing politics.

The five schlubby millennial hosts of Chapo Trap House, the podcast behind the rally, are the most prominent exponents of a burgeoning political faction known as the “dirtbag left”. With their hipster beards, incipient paunches and attitude of ironic slacker cool, they seem almost to physically embody the movement.

The dirtbag left is characterised by redistributionist economics, vulgar jokes, brutal (possibly ironic) political abuse and — as the tone of that Iowa show suggests — a dismissive attitude towards the niceties of liberal political correctness. The growing popularity of Chapo Trap House is a remarkable reminder of the limitations of wokeness as a political force, even on the left.

With almost a quarter of a million listeners per episode, Chapo Trap House is a phenomenon. The show is the highest-grossing member of the subscription service Patreon and made $160,000 in February alone.

Red Scare, another dirtbag left podcast which specialises in the trolling of liberal sensibilities, boasts an audience and an income almost as vast. A constellation of smaller associated shows (many with names too rude to print in The Times) stretches away beneath them.

In an interview with the right-wing online magazine Spiked, Chapo Trap House’s sole female presenter Amber A’Lee Frost summed up the movement’s concerns. She spoke about her disdain for “Guardian feminists” and her belief in the political importance of class. “The majority of people are not woke,” she said. “Why would we dismiss the majority of people as hopelessly reactionary?”

Polling suggests that Frost’s analysis is correct. Liberal politicians have overrated the electoral appeal of political correctness. According to a survey reported in The Atlantic, 80 per cent of Americans agreed with the statement that political correctness is a “problem in our country”, a figure that included 74 per cent of people between the ages of 24 and 29. The idea that millennials are overwhelmingly woke is as misleading as the notion that all baby boomers spent the 1960s on LSD. In Britain, a YouGov survey found that two thirds of people agreed that “too many people are too easily offended these days over the language that others use”, a figure that included 57 per cent of respondents who identified themselves as Labour voters.

The prominence of political correctness over the past decade owes something to media hype and something to the success of small pressure groups operating on social media. Any MP with a Twitter account knows what happens if they stumble into the wrong side of a debate about pronouns or trans rights. Accordingly, Jeremy Corbyn announced his pronouns at an event, former Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson promised to recognise non-binary gender identities, and Labour leadership candidates backed a pledge to expel “transphobes” from the party. We may look back on these events as the political high water mark of wokeness.

The rise of the dirtbag left is less the result of a public debate on political correctness (the public was always underwhelmed) than a consequence of the changing nature of the internet. Wide open spaces like Twitter timelines and Facebook news feeds, where anyone can see what you’re up to and publicly punish you when they disapprove, are diminishing in importance. Growing in significance are relatively hidden places which are more amenable to free speech and outrageous jokes, such as Facebook groups, Reddit (whose active monthly user base grew by 30 per cent last year) and podcasts (whose audience grew 24 per cent in the same period). It’s no accident that the most important figures on the dirtbag left made their names on podcasts.

In America, the anti-woke left is a fully-fledged political force. Bernie Sanders’s rivals for the Democractic nomination this year complained of trolling from his dirtbag left supporters. His campaign was forced to fire an operative for setting up a Twitter account which bombarded Buttigieg with scatological abuse. Already there are signs that the movement is taking off in Britain. Both Chapo Trap House and Red Scare have staged sold-out shows in London and imitators have followed: Reel Politik apes the anarchic style of Chapo Trap House albeit with less popular success and the show Trash Future is similar but more politically correct.

Nevertheless, it’s worth remembering that many of the aspirations of political correctness, however annoying they sometimes seemed, were laudable: sexual equality, the rights of minorities and an awareness of the limits of free speech. As even the left begins to move on, some things are worth salvaging from the wreckage of that strange, short-lived revolution.
 

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Another interesting piece in the Times - good to see the non-woke trying to reclaim the left, hope it's not just newspaper bullshit.

There is hope. Maybe I will return to vote left in the future.
 

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With one of the biggest economic downturns in recent times well underway, I fully expect the left to focus more on its core issues : economical and social ones. Environmental issues will also be taken into account, but not at the expense of the lower classes.

"Woke culture" at the end of the day is a luxury, a product of prosperity.

The tragedy that's going on right now is an opportunity for every political force to set their priorities straight and ditch issues that only mattered for a very small, yet vocal, portion of their electorate. Political correctness be damned, lives are at stake.
 
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Don’t embrace these cunts just because they’re the enemy of your enemy.

Have you ever been to the Chapo Trap
House subreddit? They’re a bunch of wackadoo communist Bernie bro losers. You know the angry at the world sneering type who wants to tear everything down but build nothing themself? That’s them.

They’re not your friends.
 

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Honestly, while they're clearly having issues with their own extremist and stupid ideology, at least they sound like they're living in the same universe as the rest of us, and if they can cause enough damage to the cult of woke to get big businesses and the media to stop letting them vandalise popular culture, that can only be a good thing.

As a life long lefty, classical liberal, I'm still seeing more in common with the current right than these guys thoigh. Politics is all out of whack right now, and I'm glad to see at least some of those on the far left veering away from sheer lunacy. It gives me more hope for the future of politics.
 

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All jokes aside, the "Reset" type Liberals have completely killed the party for many. 1% of those with a mental illness do not speak for half of the country, no matter how loud they are about it. They are what scared me away from that party. After that, learning more about Conservatism kept me away.
 
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One of the most profound things about the need of the right and left I’ve heard came Jordan Peterson.

The conservatives caretake the order and systems and the left challenge corruption of systems and make sure the floors and ceilings don’t trap people. The left should be renovators of the systems and compromise with the rights on the gradual steps that need to take place.

The modern far left wants to burn it down. The modern far right want to burn it down. These artifacts are a cancer representing the failure of understanding that people need to be working towards balance not shouting down their cohorts.

But these days it’s all gotcha games. Politics has turned into trap rap.
 
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The only hope the progressives ("woke liberals") have is to embrace a conservative religious view. It'd have to be a sect that is also anti-corporate, pro-environmentalist, and pro-equality, so something like a Bonnhoeffer-esque christian commune or similar. Or an Amish community. Anyway, the point is that progressives need some kind of ideological anchor that holds them secure.

You can't build a lasting political movement on political ideology alone. The communists keep failing to learn this lesson. Progressives could have a shot if their ideals were rooted in common cultural values that are respected by other political blocs. They aren't going to succeed by infiltrating academia and then browbeating the peasants into believing and doing what's "in their own best interests."
 

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Don’t embrace these cunts just because they’re the enemy of your enemy.

Have you ever been to the Chapo Trap
House subreddit? They’re a bunch of wackadoo communist Bernie bro losers. You know the angry at the world sneering type who wants to tear everything down but build nothing themself? That’s them.

They’re not your friends.

It's a shame too because, whether you agree with the their politics or not, the Chapo Trap House hosts are all witty enough to hold their own in a debate, and be absolutely hilarious while they critique politicians, and commentators, they hate: both liberal and conservative.

Their fans are a different story entirely, and even the Chapo team seems to recognize this with how often they condescend their own audience on the podcast.

Many Chapo fans hold idealistic worldviews which could only come through a lack of life experience, like how getting a job should supposedly be optional, and that if everyone just "followed their passions" the world will somehow become this magical fairy world or something. As if some of the shittiest jobs out there arent also some of the most essential.

It's so gross. Idiotic college kids with edgy half-baked views of reality. Congrats to the Chapo gang for literally capitalizing off of their fans' ignorance. They deserve it.
 
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It's a shame too because, whether you agree with the their politics or not, the Chapo Trap House hosts are all witty enough to hold their own in a debate, and be absolutely hilarious while they critique politicians, and commentators, they hate: both liberal and conservative.

Their fans are a different story entirely, and even the Chapo team seems to recognize this with how often they condescend their own audience on the podcast.

Many Chapo fans hold idealistic worldviews which could only come through a lack of life experience, like how getting a job should supposedly be optional, and that if everyone just "followed their passions" the world will somehow become this magical fairy world or something. As if some of the shittiest jobs out there arent also some of the most essential.

It's so gross. Idiotic college kids with edgy half-baked views of reality. Congrats to the Chapo gang for literally capitalizing off of their fans' ignorance. They deserve it.

Sure, but at the end of the day they’re still communists who just celebrated Lenin’s birthday.
 

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It's a shame too because, whether you agree with the their politics or not, the Chapo Trap House hosts are all witty enough to hold their own in a debate, and be absolutely hilarious while they critique politicians, and commentators, they hate: both liberal and conservative.

Their fans are a different story entirely, and even the Chapo team seems to recognize this with how often they condescend their own audience on the podcast.

Many Chapo fans hold idealistic worldviews which could only come through a lack of life experience, like how getting a job should supposedly be optional, and that if everyone just "followed their passions" the world will somehow become this magical fairy world or something. As if some of the shittiest jobs out there arent also some of the most essential.

It's so gross. Idiotic college kids with edgy half-baked views of reality. Congrats to the Chapo gang for literally capitalizing off of their fans' ignorance. They deserve it.
So basically they are Bernie Bro's
 
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Papa

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So basically they are Bernie Bro's

Remember legacyzero?

How he knew nothing but thought he knew everything?

How he was really angry that his worldview wasn’t mainstream but impotently frustrated about it?

How he was a Nice Guy™ with a rose on his twatter profile but you wouldn’t trust him around your wife?

How he thought the world owed him everything even though he wasn’t willing to work for it?

That’s them.
 

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It's a shame too because, whether you agree with the their politics or not, the Chapo Trap House hosts are all witty enough to hold their own in a debate, and be absolutely hilarious while they critique politicians, and commentators, they hate: both liberal and conservative.

Their fans are a different story entirely, and even the Chapo team seems to recognize this with how often they condescend their own audience on the podcast.

Many Chapo fans hold idealistic worldviews which could only come through a lack of life experience, like how getting a job should supposedly be optional, and that if everyone just "followed their passions" the world will somehow become this magical fairy world or something. As if some of the shittiest jobs out there arent also some of the most essential.

It's so gross. Idiotic college kids with edgy half-baked views of reality. Congrats to the Chapo gang for literally capitalizing off of their fans' ignorance. They deserve it.
Bingo that's the biggest takeaway i got. These socialist assholes sure like capitalism
 
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There once was a mayor from south bend
South bend

Who did what the police a man said
Police a man said

He told it to him straight
I guess its too late

Joe Biden's hands are a longing for you.
 
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Stopped reading at Chapo Trap House mention. They are not a "new" faction and very much part of the same tent as the oversensitive wokester intersectional feminist millenials, just with more fellating of communism. They're the same shitbags that pushed me away from the left.
 
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I'm not getting behind any ideology pushed by anybody involved with chapo trap house.

In fact I'm not getting behind fucking ideologies anymore full stop