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[Jigsaah]

It was significantly worse than playing on a console w/ a 4K TV (I tried it on my 4K TV). I'd guess 100ms+ added on.

No one playing competitively is going to bother, which will undermine their strategy to tie-in with streamers.

That's a shame, but it still was a beta. The guy playing on stage seemed to have significant lag and some eagle eye users have posted footage on twitter, very similar to what was shown of xCloud at Inside Xbox with that woman playing Forza. I think it's really telling that we are finding evidence (not proof) of less than stellar performance at this stage. I guess we'll just have to see when it releases this year.

 

[A.Romero]

I said redo

You mean update? What part? The tech part? The business model?

 

[Bryank75]

There was a rumor for $20 a month but that would be suicide and cost $240 a year. So that's likely false.

They could easily think that's fair considering netflix is over 10.

PSplus is 7 per month and you get to OWN 2 decent games as long as youre subscribed every month.

People need to use their brain and realize that all change isn't positive. It's very disturbing to see these supposed socialist gamers shill so hard for a company that will take ownership away from them and sell their personal data.

 

[scalman]

so they will make games on pc and consoles and then stream maybe on this ? ok everyone does streaming gaming sony , xbox , switch.....you name it .

 

[Afro Republican]

Ok so apparently there's talk that for security purposes there may be a daily check-in for verification to use the Stavia platform.

If you game on more than one device you can use any of them for the verification, but you do have to sign-in daily. Sort of like a 24/hour check-in. Seems very familiar.

 

[Jigsaah]

They could easily think that's fair considering netflix is over 10.

PSplus is 7 per month and you get to OWN 2 decent games as long as youre subscribed every month.

People need to use their brain and realize that all change isn't positive. It's very disturbing to see these supposed socialist gamers shill so hard for a company that will take ownership away from them and sell their personal data.

It's a new thing. It's not shilling. People may be genuinely excited that this might actually happen and be good. You're the only one mentioning PSPlus, as if you can get that right now without paying the upfront cost of a console, something that as of right now, doesn't seem google is doing. I think the only hardware is the controller, which isn't even required to use the service. Bottom line is there are still a lot of questions to be answered and you can't blame people for taking everything we just learned in and to speculate on what it could mean for console gaming as a whole. It's a very real threat.

 

[Afro Republican]

Also the conference was a rip-off, likely either because they didn't have much to show without maybe some of the latency issues coming up live, but they were schedule fr another 30 minutes when closed shop.

 

[DanielsM]

so they will make games on pc and consoles and then stream maybe on this ? ok everyone does streaming gaming sony , xbox , switch.....you name it .

From what I read, it sounds like a modified Linux, so the games would have to be ported. (someone posted an article somewhere) Probably wanted to get off the Microsoft stack as much as possible.

 

[Bryank75]

 

[Rodolink]

What was the code I missed it

 

[HeresJohnny]

I LOL'd. So true. Streaming is close to steaming for a reason. I'm completely not interested in a system that forces me to rely on my ISP. Thanks, but no thanks Google.

 

[Jigsaah]

I watched at 1080p, I'm excited...what're ya saying here chief?

 

[scalman]

MS with xbox stream said they will be netflix of games...so what google is then ?

 

[mckmas8808]

Pretty much, the idea to create and not be limited to hardware is great for developers just create wtf you want and don't be limited.
But we'll see...

That's the thing. Being limited to a certain hardware typically makes the game better, not worse.

 

[Vlightray]

Remember 2013 that Microsoft pushed. This is that re-imagined.

 

[RPGCrazied]

Pass. Unless it gets some exclusive that is a must play I'll stick to my PS4/Switch/PC for gaming.

 

[mckmas8808]

I tried this recently in beta. I have 0ms latency gigabit fiber, and I assume I'm sitting directly on an edge node in Austin. The latency was very noticeable.

This isn't good news.

 

[Dontero]

How to know if Google is out of touch with gamers ?

They put dedicated google assistant button on controller.

 

[llien]

I'm completely not interested in a system that forces me to rely on my ISP.

It actually depends:
1) What type of games? There are many not requiring particularly good reaction.
2) Not having to upgrade/carry your gaming rig with you if you want to game here and there, being able to do it on business trip counts
3) Last but not least, on pricing

Overall, it most likely won't fly, but for the right games and right price, why not.

Internet speed problem is exaggerated imo.
And I am not lag insensitive, most of my devices at home sit on LAN.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

I don’t think “creat and not be limited to hardware” is even feasible unless you are making an exclusive for this system. Anybody who wants to sell multi platform is going to have to use the trad consoles for baseline specs

 

[DanielsM]

I know many are not surprised by this announcement, or even most. What is a huge problem to me, is they are not even explaining how the dashboard works or if you just pick games, buying games, or if its a pure rental model. Whether you can move games off the platform as it doesn't appear to be a normal store using win32?

How to know if Google is out of touch with gamers ?They put dedicated google assistant button on controller.

Almost all of them are out of touch when it comes to this remote control features for gaming consumers. (no pricing, no structure as to how this will work, no real details as to the business model at all)

Another day, another game streaming company with no customers is what I see.

 

[Stuart360]

Watching this, then reading the thread, all i could think was -

 

[ROMhack]

This genuinely sounds like GaaS but for a console. There's no way is this thing dropping well at launch but it's Google so they'll iterate and maybe in ten years time it'll be good.

They can afford to do it too. Crazy mofos.

 

[TimFL]

Ok, I go offline for a few hours and return to a whole board full of "SONY AND MS DOOMED" and "STADIA IS THE FUTURE" topics and posts? Have we been invaded by shills?

I think the future lies in streaming, I also think this could be interesting but it's not going to kill the big 2... or 3... or Steam. It'll co-exist and/or possibly be niche only due to connection speed requirements.

 

[#Phonepunk#]

Internet speed problem is exaggerated imo.
And I am not lag insensitive, most of my devices at home sit on LAN.

Cool. What happens the minute you leave your home?

Isolated in your home LAN is the happy path, the minute you try playing on a public network you are fucked.

Streaming may be the future but we aren’t there yet. That’s why they call it the future not the present

 

[scalman]

yes they didint said nothing , just number 4k /60fps... but on stream that means nothing sadly

 

[recklesscognition]

I was excited that they may be unveiling something a little more catered to me. The idea seems great, but I was part of the project stream AC Odyssey thing and hated it. The lag was unbearable and the game looked like crap.

 

[HeresJohnny]

One thing I will say, Sony and Microsoft better get their hardware out fast. You give Google an inch they'll take 17 miles. Next Xbox and PS5 both have to hit in 2019 imo.

 

[JohannCK]

I’m honestly perplexed at how there are people who complain about GaaS who also support streaming games.

That being said I do see streaming possibly catching on or even becoming a big thing... But with casual gamers (the people who play phone games), and only if it doesn’t need dedicated software/hardware.

 

[Elios83]

Personally I have zero interest in a streaming service as my main gaming option.
It will never be as good as having a dedicated hardware with similar power.
Also I suspect that there will be different subscription tiers based on the streaming quality. 1080p can't have the same cost of 4K HDR 60fps.
But the key issue are games, without big exclusives this service won't go far, at least Microsoft understands this hence the acquisitions they made, I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being an other Google+ or Glasses but it's too early to say.

 

[Stuart360]

I'm sure this will find an audience, but thats as far as it goes, an audience, its not taking over anyhting.
Just like Itunes, and the internet itself, was going to kill CD's 20 years ago, i can still go into a store and buy an album on CD. Just like Netflix, Amazon, and the other streaming stuff was going to destroy DVD and Bluray, 10 years later and i can still buy TV and films on DVD and BluRay. Just like flat screen tv's and 'home cinrema' was going to destroy cimena itself, box offixe at the cinema is higher than ever.
Streaming IS the future, but thatss just what it is, the future. Its not the now.

 

[DanielsM]

yes they didint said nothing , just number 4k /60fps... but on stream that means nothing sadly

My guess is its hiding what is going on, its a virtual linux desktop without the desktop i.e. Shadow Tech but you can't install your games from stream as its not a fully functional machine, you than pay by monthly to the virtual box, install the games from the virtual store at or near full price, although there could be rentals or package deals.

Just guessing, but the lack of any kind of information for something that comes out this year is pretty crazy. I watched the whole thing and I have no idea how this works for the consumer.

 

[BusierDonkey]

The liberal use of "UP TO" before every statistic is not confidence inspiring.

My car gets "up to" 28 mpg as long as I don't use the gas pedal. My internet connection is "as much as" 600Mbps as long as it's 3am. The restraining order against me is "within" 500 meters.

None of it actually means anything.

 

[Barakov]

My guess is its hiding what is going on, its a virtual linux desktop without the desktop i.e. Shadow Tech but you can't install your games from stream as its not a fully functional machine, you than pay by monthly to the virtual box, install the games from the virtual store at or near full price, although there could be rentals or package deals.

Just guessing, but the lack of any kind of information for something that comes out this year is pretty crazy. I watched the whole thing and I have no idea how this works for the consumer.

Honestly, seemed like a whole lot of flash with some very big promises.

 

[JohannCK]

This sounds like it’s presenting streaming as an alternative to owning games, which is also a solid nope for me.

I wouldn’t mind paying $10-15 a month for, say, a service that’d let me stream games for old consoles I don’t own (or don’t want to take out of the closet), as a supplementary thing.

And having to buy specialised hardware just to stream? No way.

 

[Afro Republican]

That's a shame, but it still was a beta. The guy playing on stage seemed to have significant lag and some eagle eye users have posted footage on twitter, very similar to what was shown of xCloud at Inside Xbox with that woman playing Forza. I think it's really telling that we are finding evidence (not proof) of less than stellar performance at this stage. I guess we'll just have to see when it releases this year.

There was no latency issue at the Microsoft showing, it was staged for a diversity show. Her car was doing the opposite of what she was pressing.

E3 we will see actual Xcloud demos.

 

[Kagey K]

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[DanielsM]

Honestly, seemed like a whole lot of flash with some very big promises.

Well, yeah there is some promises there but lets even imagine the service ends up decent (I'm doubtful, but let's pretend), is their idea like the PC virtual desktop service providers. It sounds like to me its a close system in which you are purchasing games only from google, and have no ability to move those games you purchased out of the cloud. (there was no mention of games, how you select games, pay for games, etc)

I mean at least Windows Virtual Desktops you could install your games from Steam, if you decide at a later date to move them to your PC, you can. Even if one was open to streaming, you would want to do this on Windows because you could move the games back if you wanted to.

The lack of information is pretty crazy. They haven't even said what the business model is for the developers and consumers.

 

[Afro Republican]

One thing I will say, Sony and Microsoft better get their hardware out fast. You give Google an inch they'll take 17 miles. Next Xbox and PS5 both have to hit in 2019 imo.

We are almost half-way through the year and there hasn't even been a hint at a reveal for either, they aren't coming out this year. Xbox will likjely be June and Sony around the same or a couple months after that, this is the year to get that last push and price cut for Xbox One and PS5.

 

[Crew 511A]

If this is the future of gaming, I'm glad I still have my old consoles. I like the idea of physically owning a game. GAAS is just a doorway for anti consumer BS.

 

[Gormless Noodle]

Awww they have no friends. Everyone knows it goes B A Select Start.

Poor guys.

How do you do, fellow gamurz?

 

[Crew 511A]

One thing I will say, Sony and Microsoft better get their hardware out fast. You give Google an inch they'll take 17 miles. Next Xbox and PS5 both have to hit in 2019 imo.

If Google had bought Sega and was releasing new Virtua Fighter and Shining Force games on this thing, you'd have a point.

But playing Assassins Creed 75 with a questionable performance? Nah. I think they've got time.

 

[Afro Republican]

Saw this on EGM

 

[Afro Republican]

If Google had bought Sega and was releasing new Virtua Fighter and Shining Force games on this thing, you'd have a point.

N he wouldn't neither of those games would move consoles.

 

[Jigsaah]

There was no latency issue at the Microsoft showing, it was staged for a diversity show. Her car was doing the opposite of what she was pressing.

E3 we will see actual Xcloud demos.

That doesnt mean theres no latency issue currently. I hope its smooth as butter at E3, just pointing this out. I'd imagine if that had been solved beforehand maybe they'd have somebody more capable of playing the game to demonstrate.

 

[Afro Republican]

That doesnt mean theres no latency issue currently. I hope its smooth as butter at E3, just pointing this out. I'd imagine if that had been solved beforehand maybe they'd have somebody more capable of playing the game to demonstrate.

You're jumping to conclusions way to fast and your other posts seem to be defensive on the side of Google, there were Xcloud demonstrations on and off-screen before that Inside Xbox episode, and it didn't look nearly as bad as Googles.

But we probably won't know real world results until E3, as we have no clue if those Xcloud demos were controlled environments. Which is funny because in Googles case at GDC that WAS a controlled environment. Ouch.

 

[VincentMatts]

I am confused by this statement. Why would the number of GPUs you have have anything to do with this service? Isnt' the whole point that it is streaming software to your browser or whatever device you own? How would having a good GPU make this service in any way better other than making the stream more dependable possibly?

Because in the current consoles, you’re stuck with what’s in the hardware. With this you can use two or three GPUs, you can use as many as you want for your game. You’re not limited by the hardware under your TV.

And I mean “you” as in developers can use...

 

[Jigsaah]

You're jumping to conclusions way to fast and your other posts seem to be defensive on the side of Google, there were Xcloud demonstrations on and off-screen before that Inside Xbox episode, and it didn't look nearly as bad as Googles.

But we probably won't know real world results until E3, as we have no clue if those Xcloud demos were controlled environments. Which is funny because in Googles case at GDC that WAS a controlled environment. Ouch.

You don't know that for sure. The nature of the Google presentation was just to show some guy playing on various devices. Is there proof that Microsoft's presentation wasn't staged? I'm not defending google, I'm taking the evidence where it goes. Google presentation definitely could have been lag, or staged. The guy was making a lot of movements on the controller's left stick and the character didn't move AT ALL. That's why i compare it to Microsoft's presentation because they are fairly similar results.

I have clearly stated, since you're stalking posts, that Google could be a great compliment to a console owners gaming experience. My prime interest in Stadia is because of proposed functionality for creators. Try actually reading my posts. I'm not choosing a side. That's what idiots do. You're a consumer. You buy the product that fits your needs, end of story.

 

[Afro Republican]

Is there proof that Microsoft's presentation wasn't staged?

What?

I literally said the inside Xbox demo was staged.

 

[Afro Republican]

just 3 more guys we can do it.