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In Finland not cellular even. You only pay for the theoretical max speed, but the data is unlimited (no throttling after a certain point or anything like that).
"Many Internet service providers have been moving to add "data caps" to their residential broadband plans. Some Internet service providers in Finland, including CenturyLink, have plans with data caps. Data caps in general vary quite a bit, and run anywhere from 250GB all the way to a Terabyte. Most residential Internet caps will be very high, so they don't affect most customers. Fiber providers often don't feature data caps. "

I'm not sure if that is correct but yes there is providers with Data Cap in Finland too... CenturyLink is one with these plans.

And you'd be wrong in this case. Does America even have data caps?
Is he? Both the example countries in this thread has data cap in some providers... Germany and Finland.

Is really Europe's countries not affected by data caps? Well doing a little research showed it seems not the case.

Of course you have the option to migrate to a internet provider or plan without data cap but it does exists and maybe it is not possible to migrate or the inconvenience is stronger to some.
 
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I'm not sure if that is correct but yes there is providers with Data Cap in Finland too... CenturyLink is one with these plans.
As a Finn I've never head CenturyLink operating here in any major capacity, or minor even. Googling "CenturyLink Finland" will only return contact info for some local subsidiary - and then there's this: https://www.getcenturylink.com/availability/mn/finland

....that's for Finland, Minnesota.

If you check out the ISPs people actually use here, like Telia, Elisa and DNA - no, they do not have data caps. Or please provide your source.
 

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Yes, yes he is. I said "the world", but I am not American. I was not referring to America. I meant the world. It's wet, round and all of us should be at least partially familiar with it.

Both the example countries in this thread has data cap in some providers... Germany and Finland. Is really Europe's countries not affected by data caps? Well doing a little research showed it seems not the case.
That's what I said. It was my initial post. I believe data caps are far more widespread than people realise. People from different parts of the world are weighing in atm, so maybe I am wrong and will learn something today.
 

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everyone complaining about datacaps seems to be american, or on shitty ISPs they didn't realise were shitty yet ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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"Many Internet service providers have been moving to add "data caps" to their residential broadband plans. Some Internet service providers in Finland, including CenturyLink, have plans with data caps. Data caps in general vary quite a bit, and run anywhere from 250GB all the way to a Terabyte. Most residential Internet caps will be very high, so they don't affect most customers. Fiber providers often don't feature data caps. "

I'm not sure if that is correct but yes there is providers with Data Cap in Finland too... CenturyLink is one with these plans.


Is he? Both the example countries in this thread has data cap in some providers... Germany and Finland.

Is really Europe's countries not affected by data caps? Well doing a little research showed it seems not the case.

Of course you have the option to migrate to a internet provider or plan without data cap but it does exists and maybe it is not possible to migrate or the inconvenience is stronger to some.
You need to do a little more research then.. if tele companies tried implementing data caps here they would loose customers really fast because the tele and comunication sector has great competition here, all do to those damn socialist and there stupid idea about infrastructure that should be paid by the bad evil government! :p
 
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everyone complaining about datacaps seems to be american, or on shitty ISPs they didn't realise were shitty yet ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Again with the wrong. You seem to be having serious issues keeping up. Do you need a tutorial or something via PM?
 

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everyone complaining about datacaps seems to be american, or on shitty ISPs they didn't realise were shitty yet ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think you are oversimplifying the multiple issues with game streaming and especially something like Stadia.
 
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I posted this the other day, Phil Harrison 5 years ago. He basically didn't even announce anything, not really, no business model at all.

The biggest screen in the house, having the most powerful CPU and GPU attached to it, is still going to be the best place for a lot of game types. Not all, we're seeing games across multiple screens which is great for the industry, but if you want the most sophisticated combination of CPU, GPU, input mechanism, biggest screen and best sound, it's going to be on console.
Phil Harrison is very good at his jobs.

Does America even have data caps?
<-- Is American, has a monthly data cap on his home connection.
 
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Yes, yes he is. I said "the world", but I am not American. I was not referring to America. I meant the world. It's wet, round and all of us should be at least partially familiar with it.



That's what I said. It was my initial post. I believe data caps are far more widespread than people realise. People from different parts of the world are weighing in atm, so maybe I am wrong and will learn something today.
Sorry I misunderstood you :(
 

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You need to do a little more research then.. if tele companies tried implementing data caps here they would loose customers really fast because the tele and comunication sector has great competition here, all do to those damn socialist and there stupid idea about infrastructure that should be paid by the bad evil government! :p
But they have data cap I showed example for the two countries people tried to say it didn't lol

It is shocking but there are data cap in Europe guys.
 
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Why is he wrong he gave you an option of either being from America on having a shitty isp?
Because I'm not American and since he doesn't even know which country I'm in he's hardly in a position to judge whether or not my ISP is terrible. My ISP is in fact one of the best in the country since I live in the largest city near some of the best infrastructure to offer. I still have a cap. To get a decent (and not even decent by international standards) speed in this country you have to live with a cap, or pay rates that would make small businesses go wide-eyed.

There is a segment of folks who enjoy great internet, which is great, but then there are folks who assume everyone else is as well or that they just aren't savvy enough to get a decent line. Some perspective is in order.
 
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But they have data cap I showed example for the two countries people tried to say it didn't lol

It is shocking but there are data cap in Europe guys.
What internet provider in Germany is stupid enough to put data caps on there Subscriptions ?
You provided one for Finland ( which Is being challenged by a native) but didn’t see one for Germany?
 

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Because I'm not American and since he doesn't even know which country I'm in he's hardly in a position to judge whether or not my ISP is terrible. My ISP is in fact one of the best in the country since I live in the largest city near some of the best infrastructure to offer. I still have a cap. To get a decent (and not even decent by international standards) speed in this country you have to live with a cap, or pay rates that would make small businesses go wide-eyed.

There is a segment of folks who enjoy great internet, which is great, but then there are folks who assume everyone else is as well or that they just aren't savvy enough to get a decent line. Some perspective is in order.
I’m not trying to defend stadia..
and I’m not saying that datacaps Doesn’t exist in the world .. but I am challenging the notion that datacaps is normal in an industrialised nation that doesn’t suffer from an almost monopoly like situation of the telecommunications market :)
Stadia has bigger problems than data caps.. though I’m eager to try it out for myself :)
 
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Another predictable piece on Stadia..."Onlive!, internet speed!, people living in rural areas!"

Stadia only has to be just good enough for people to adopt it...not perfect.

The vast majority of gamers are not hardcore PC Master Race types. The option to not even having to buy any new hardware to play the latest AAA games is going to be a major appeal...
 

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Did you read my reply? Can you show CenturyLink operates in Finland? (not Finland, Minnesota?)
I'm not sure what are you talking about...

Is that not in Finland? https://www.fonecta.fi/profiili/Helsinki/2643256/CenturyLink+Communications+Finland+Oy

What internet provider in Germany is stupid enough to put data caps on there Subscriptions ?
You provided one for Finland ( which Is being challenged by a native) but didn’t see one for Germany?
I provided already... O2 Internet (google give me that link: https://www.o2online.de)... when you reach the data cap your internet go down to 2Mbps until the month ends.

But hey there is even reddit talk about in mid 2018:
I'm not sure what a native is challenging because CenturyLink is on Finland.
 
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Another predictable piece on Stadia..."Onlive!, internet speed!, people living in rural areas!"

Stadia only has to be just good enough for people to adopt it...not perfect.

The vast majority of gamers are not hardcore PC Master Race types. The option to not even having to buy any new hardware to play the latest AAA games is going to be a major appeal...
Yea I’m sure there is a market for it or else Sony would have cancelled ps now and not further expanded on it to new territories..
I know people who don’t put there TVs into pc mode or what ever the mode is called on your brand of tv. And plays with all the bells and whistles turned on on there tv and don’t know how much inputlag they have until they play games at my house lol
 

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Another predictable piece on Stadia..."Onlive!, internet speed!, people living in rural areas!"

Stadia only has to be just good enough for people to adopt it...not perfect.

The vast majority of gamers are not hardcore PC Master Race types. The option to not even having to buy any new hardware to play the latest AAA games is going to be a major appeal...
You actually need new hardware, the hardware just isn't at your house, its at Google's house which you will have to pay for, and on top of that you might have to buy new hardware at your own depending on how you want to play. I'm not saying you can't be right or partially right but if what you are saying is correct OnLive, PS Now, etc would be hitting grand slams. Its not easy as people make it out to be, Google just bailed on Youtube Premium content.

Logic seems if people thought this only needs to be "good enough" than the existing game streaming platforms would be banking. We don't even know what the business is yet.
 
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Yes, as I said if you google "CenturyLink Finland" you'll get contact info for a local subsidiary/representative. Now, show me where/how to order a CenturyLink ISP connection in Finland? That is not Finland, Minnesota. I'm waiting - I went through several pages of results and one didn't come up. And, as a Finn, I've never heard one being offered.

I'm not sure what a native is challenging because CenturyLink is on Finland.
I'm challenging the fact that even though they may have a local LLC, they do not offer Internet connections here, and I dare you to prove otherwise. You can have a local subsidiary, but that doesn't really mean anything.

Edit: their revenue, in 2015, was 1 002 000€. Their profit 75 000€. There's no modifier, a little over 1M€ in revenue and barely made a profit. This is a major ISP? No, it's just some remote office. https://www.kauppalehti.fi/yritykset/yritys/centurylink+communications+finland+oy/23463331

Edit2: you'll also notice that their postal address is "c/o Revico Grant Thornton Oy" - that being https://www.grantthornton.fi/en/ i.e. an accounting firm. Now, does that sound like an ISP to you?
 
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I'm not sure what are you talking about...

Is that not in Finland? https://www.fonecta.fi/profiili/Helsinki/2643256/CenturyLink+Communications+Finland+Oy


I provided already... O2 Internet (google give me that link: https://www.o2online.de)... when you reach the data cap your internet go down to 2Mbps until the month ends.

But hey there is even reddit talk about in mid 2018:
I'm not sure what a native is challenging because CenturyLink is on Finland.
Ok well the internet for the german site was for cellular data as far as I can read.. and if you got to there DSL page there is no datacaps..
Yes, as I said if you google "CenturyLink Finland" you'll get contact info for a local subsidiary/representative. Now, show me where/how to order a CenturyLink ISP connection in Finland? That is not Finland, Minnesota. I'm waiting - I went through several pages of results and one didn't come up. And, as a Finn, I've never heard one being offered.


I'm challenging the fact that even though they may have a local LLC, they do not offer Internet connections here, and I dare you to prove otherwise. You can have a local subsidiary, but that doesn't really mean anything.
Maybe he means this site?
Can’t read Finnish
https://www.fonecta.fi/oma-fonecta
 
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everyone complaining about datacaps seems to be american, or on shitty ISPs they didn't realise were shitty yet ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Maybe American, but Comcast has caps and they are a huge monopoly in many states, so they may be shitty, but there are little other options (unless you want 20Mbps DSL).
 

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I get throttled so much by my ISP (virgin media) at night time even buffering a simple 1080p stream can be a nightmare. My tale is not a unique one. Game streaming is not any threat to traditional consoles for the foreseeable future.
 

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Ok well the internet for the german site was for cellular data as far as I can read.. and if you got to there DSL page there is no datacaps..
https://www.movingto-germany.com/best-german-internet-providers/

o2 DSL M 50 has data cap.

https://www.o2online.de/e-shop/dsl-festnetz/o2-my-home-s-flex?zielgruppe=privatkunden&ohne-router=true&partnerId=O2_AFF_CTA_EXA_15012&mediacode=AFF_af_586499[__]_-GN0YCQFOTC&utm_term=AFF_af_586499[__]_-GN0YCQFOTC&utm_content=O2_AFF_CTA_EXA_15012&dclid=CjkKEQjw-OHkBRCq95Dl7J6Llr0BEiQA2zZek4192dD06ZN2-vjvyoHxrJs6XVEjeGFSNb6dt0FTKILw_wcB

Maximale SurfgeschwindigkeitBis 100 GB, danach mit bis zu 2 MBit/s ohne Limit

It is only an example because I can't read Germany... the link I got from the link in English above but from the article others plans have data cap too... and if you want unlimited you need to contract an expensive plan from O2.
 
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I think they announced Stadia way too soon. Google has nothing to show for it and nothing to draw hype -- just criticism and doubt given their history of cooking up stuff and abandoning it.
 

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o2 DSL M 50 has data cap.

https://www.o2online.de/e-shop/dsl-festnetz/o2-my-home-s-flex?zielgruppe=privatkunden&ohne-router=true&partnerId=O2_AFF_CTA_EXA_15012&mediacode=AFF_af_586499[__]_-GN0YCQFOTC&utm_term=AFF_af_586499[__]_-GN0YCQFOTC&utm_content=O2_AFF_CTA_EXA_15012&dclid=CjkKEQjw-OHkBRCq95Dl7J6Llr0BEiQA2zZek4192dD06ZN2-vjvyoHxrJs6XVEjeGFSNb6dt0FTKILw_wcB

Maximale SurfgeschwindigkeitBis 100 GB, danach mit bis zu 2 MBit/s ohne Limit

It is only an example because I can't read Germany... the link I got from the link in English above but from the article others plans have data cap too... and if you want unlimited you need to contract an expensive plan from O2.
Well I stand corrected then :)
Also was there max speed 100Mb per second :(
Still not proof that this is the norm
 

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Yes, as I said if you google "CenturyLink Finland" you'll get contact info for a local subsidiary/representative. Now, show me where/how to order a CenturyLink ISP connection in Finland? That is not Finland, Minnesota. I'm waiting - I went through several pages of results and one didn't come up. And, as a Finn, I've never heard one being offered.


I'm challenging the fact that even though they may have a local LLC, they do not offer Internet connections here, and I dare you to prove otherwise. You can have a local subsidiary, but that doesn't really mean anything.

Edit: their revenue, in 2015, was 1 002 000€. Their profit 75 000€. There's no modifier, a little over 1M€ in revenue and barely made a profit. This is a major ISP? No, it's just some remote office. https://www.kauppalehti.fi/yritykset/yritys/centurylink+communications+finland+oy/23463331

Edit2: you'll also notice that their postal address is "c/o Revico Grant Thornton Oy" - that being https://www.grantthornton.fi/en/ i.e. an accounting firm. Now, does that sound like an ISP to you?
I can't read these link... I'm only posting what I found on Internet.
 

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Lower my expectations? After YouTube my expectations are right next to dinosaur bones.
 

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I can't read these link... I'm only posting what I found on Internet.
Yes, and what you found, if you can read the language (the latter is in English, FWIW - that's who are listed as an official mail address for CenturyLink here in Finland) proves that CenturyLink does not operate as an ISP in Finland.
 
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Well I stand corrected then :)
Also was there max speed 100Mb per second :(
Still not proof that this is the norm
I did not say it is the norm... just that some German's internet providers has data cap.

BTW O2 doesn't look that unknown from what I read... they are not first of course, 1&1 Internet is, but they are not small from the info I read... they O2 the second bigger internet provider there.

The whole point was "we europeans don't have dat cap like Americans" but if you start to research you will find a lot of providers with data cap in Europe... the guy saying that was not wrong after all.

Yes, and what you found, if you can read the language (the latter is in English, FWIW - that's who are listed as an official mail address for CenturyLink here in Finland) proves that CenturyLink does not operate as an ISP in Finland.
Ok.
 
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I think a lot will depend on marketing. Google is in a much better position to reach potential customers with their streaming service than Sony/Nvidia.
Google already has the biggest gaming platform in the world: Android, and it's biggest store: Google Play. And Google Ads, one of the top ads platform. And the data from YouTube, Gmail and Google search where they extract super useful data to know who and where place their ads accordingly with the best targeting possible. They also don't care of having "free" services a ton of satellites for Google Earth or a gazillion servers as Google, Youtube or Gmail should use for that massive scale. So for the server technology they also are top.

It's impossible to be in a better position than Google to address gaming. They won't need marketing outside their environment. And knowing that most Google services are "free" for the users (users pay with their user data, not with their money), I see very likely that they may have exactly like the same than PSNow or Nvidia, even if with worse performance, but without asking players to pay a subscription in exchange for their data and putting some ads in its store.

Google would have a massive success in terms of market share getting there a gazillion users destroying their competition and creating a game streaming monopoly as they did in other markets with their main products. They would get money from the ads placed there (a tiny portion of that money would get to devs), for using this user data to improve their Google ads targeting on top of asking devs for the 30% of the IAP/DLCs from the games introduced there, in addition.

I think it's the more likely scenario, and there is a very worrying thing here: how devs are going to be paid for putting their games there. Maybe as Facebook did with games and later Google did with youtubers, during the early years they may help providing a ton of virality and good money conditions only to grow the platform and then years later to reduce and reduce this visibility just to force devs to pay them for ads, that would raise in price over time.

As always, this only would benefit the top games/publishers/devs and for sure would hurt small devs/indies. I think that anything related to pay devs a fraction of the money raised from a subscription or ads is going to be bad for devs as already happens in the other F2P (mobile)/subscription/game streaming platforms, Netflix or Spotify unless people accepts this platform as something to place there your old games that after some sales seasons and price cuts doesn't generate more revenue so you put it there to get at least something from catalog games.

If Google wants to do something healthy for the industry they need to offer this platform for free to the users and to sell games as they are sold in console or Steam: $60 new AAA games, $20 new indies with some sales seasons and price cuts for older games and ask devs a 30% or less of that. And help devs using all that user data that Google has from different platforms to know what exactly which games are going to like each player in a way that they can customize their featured games, recommendations section and ads of their store to each user. This would help everyone to get visibility, even the small devs who target tiny niches. If a player likes bullet 2D hell games, then show him the bullet hell games he doesn't already have there or in other platorms. If he prefers AAA shooters, then show him them. If he likes visual novels instead then show him these ones. These would be awesome and would create more niches and to make many existing ones more profitable, or could even help to revive forgotten ones.
 

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If Google wants to do something healthy for the industry they need to offer this platform for free to the users and to sell games as they are sold in console or Steam: $60 new AAA games, $20 new indies with some sales seasons and price cuts for older games and ask devs a 30% or less of that.
I have zero empathy for any gamer that buys games in a closed ecosystem within a closed virtual environment with no real way of extracting said product in any way, if/when it goes belly up or they jack up rates. Btw, anyone doing this - I have a few bridges to sell you.
 
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The better question is: what first world country do you live in? Data caps are the norm for the majority of the world.
i have gigabit fios fiber with no cap here in Maryland.

Datacaps seemed to become a thing when Net Nuetrality became a thing, which makes sense. Now that its gone you might see more providers eliminate them.
 
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Google already has the biggest gaming platform in the world: Android, and it's biggest store: Google Play. And Google Ads, one of the top ads platform. And the data from YouTube, Gmail and Google search where they extract super useful data to know who and where place their ads accordingly with the best targeting possible. They also don't care of having "free" services a ton of satellites for Google Earth or a gazillion servers as Google, Youtube or Gmail should use for that massive scale. So for the server technology they also are top.

It's impossible to be in a better position than Google to address gaming. They won't need marketing outside their environment. And knowing that most Google services are "free" for the users (users pay with their user data, not with their money), I see very likely that they may have exactly like the same than PSNow or Nvidia, even if with worse performance, but without asking players to pay a subscription in exchange for their data and putting some ads in its store.

Google would have a massive success in terms of market share getting there a gazillion users destroying their competition and creating a game streaming monopoly as they did in other markets with their main products. They would get money from the ads placed there (a tiny portion of that money would get to devs), for using this user data to improve their Google ads targeting on top of asking devs for the 30% of the IAP/DLCs from the games introduced there, in addition.

I think it's the more likely scenario, and there is a very worrying thing here: how devs are going to be paid for putting their games there. Maybe as Facebook did with games and later Google did with youtubers, during the early years they may help providing a ton of virality and good money conditions only to grow the platform and then years later to reduce and reduce this visibility just to force devs to pay them for ads, that would raise in price over time.

As always, this only would benefit the top games/publishers/devs and for sure would hurt small devs/indies. I think that anything related to pay devs a fraction of the money raised from a subscription or ads is going to be bad for devs as already happens in the other F2P (mobile)/subscription/game streaming platforms, Netflix or Spotify unless people accepts this platform as something to place there your old games that after some sales seasons and price cuts doesn't generate more revenue so you put it there to get at least something from catalog games.

If Google wants to do something healthy for the industry they need to offer this platform for free to the users and to sell games as they are sold in console or Steam: $60 new AAA games, $20 new indies with some sales seasons and price cuts for older games and ask devs a 30% or less of that. And help devs using all that user data that Google has from different platforms to know what exactly which games are going to like each player in a way that they can customize their featured games, recommendations section and ads of their store to each user. This would help everyone to get visibility, even the small devs who target tiny niches. If a player likes bullet 2D hell games, then show him the bullet hell games he doesn't already have there or in other platorms. If he prefers AAA shooters, then show him them. If he likes visual novels instead then show him these ones. These would be awesome and would create more niches and to make many existing ones more profitable, or could even help to revive forgotten ones.
Who knows what business model they will go with but there's a possibility that the cut from game sales might be enough.
 

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I’m predicting it will launch with a lot of buzz and paid endorsements from various “tech” youtubers “reviewing” the service and saying it is awesome, etc.

Probably just slowly simmer down after that. We’ve had these services before and they’ve never done well. What makes google any different.
Given the direction of their desired YouTube integration I think you can pretty much bank on this being the case. We will get flooded with YouTube "truthers" saying how great the service is. Frankly, this launch is going to be really interesting to watch how YouTube streamers handle this. I mean, I fully expect Google to put a full court press on their YouTube streamers to host game streaming and speak positively around the service in some fashion.
 

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How they will improve the latency over the actual lighting speeds of Fiber? Are there any magical new tech that overcome the speed of light?

It is easy to say it will improve but hard to archive when there is no tech available to that.

Maybe Google start to put a server inside each subscriptor's house... wait that will be a console I guess.
The Assassin Creed beta was already much improved over stuff I tried on Shield, and that was a beta.
 

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The Assassin Creed beta was already much improved over stuff I tried on Shield, and that was a beta.
It is hard to tell because there is software latency, physical latency, etc... they improved the software but there is no way to improve the physical latency unless the server you connect is more near your home because there is no tech to improve physical latency if the server is in the same location.
 
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America has data caps yes. Due to our shitty IPs. But we have no choice, the service providers have carved up the market like the mob, and where you live determines your very few options for service.

Of course if you are a Silicon Valley dude living in the coast you probably have great internet and think the whole world does. Must be nice to live in privilege.

I don’t see this being anything more than another streaming service for the well off. Until they announce a single exclusive game it will just be a way to play games released on other systems but w lag poor image quality and with an always online requirement
 
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America has data caps yes. Due to our shitty IPs. But we have no choice, the service providers have carved up the market like the mob, and where you live determines your very few options for service.

Of course if you are a Silicon Valley dude living in the coast you probably have great internet and think the whole world does. Must be nice to live in privilege.

I don’t see this being anything more than another streaming service for the well off. Until they announce a single exclusive game it will just be a way to play games released on other systems but w lag poor image quality and with an always online requirement
Even if they don't have hard caps, I'm pretty sure they can charge for overages and/or throttle.
 

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It is hard to tell because there is software latency, physical latency, etc... they improved the software but there is no way to improve the physical latency unless the server you connect is more near your home because there is no tech to improve physical latency if the server is in the same location.
I'm not a guru on the tech. I just know of the three streaming services I've personally tried, they seem to improve each time, which could be because of several varying factors.

Maybe Google will reach XCloud's claims?

At Game Developers Conference (GDC) Kareem Choudhry, Microsoft's VP of gaming cloud, has claimed that the company has managed to bring down Project xCloud latency to under 10ms and said it is working on making xCloud run smoothly on 5-6Mbps Internet connections
Anyone claiming that a few years ago would be laughed at, I kinda don't believe it now, but even if they can get it close its a massive improvement.
https://gadgets.ndtv.com/games/news/microsoft-project-xcloud-vs-google-stadia-internet-requirement-gameplay-2010349
 
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I too live in the states and I supposedly get uncapped broadband from the only ISP to offer that here. There are now other providers depending on where one lives in the county and while they actually go faster they all have caps. I noticed that when I got a new external HD for my Pro I was being throttled after roughly 1TB of dl, granted that is spread out over my 1X, PC, and family streaming. My best friend just moved to the southern side of town and actually gets faster speeds from the same ISP but his quality fluctuates wildly, often with him being disconnected or suffering slow dl speeds.

There were some really shitty services here though, once I lived slightly outside of a small town in farming country and got satellite internet. The data cap was like 150mb in super fine print that was buried beneath tons of terms and conditions. The throttling was so bad it took like an hour just to load a home page or news site. Never again haha. For everybody I know here that games here, most have no interest in Stadia, much less know it exists. Lag, input, and owning what we pay for seems to be too much of an issue for most in my neck of the woods.
 

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I'm not a guru on the tech. I just know of the three streaming services I've personally tried, they seem to improve each time, which could be because of several varying factors.

Maybe Google will reach XCloud's claims?



Anyone claiming that a few years ago would be laughed at, I kinda don't believe it now, but even if they can get it close its a massive improvement.
https://gadgets.ndtv.com/games/news/microsoft-project-xcloud-vs-google-stadia-internet-requirement-gameplay-2010349
That is PR.

Unless you are at max one mile away from the server.

Fiber give you 8.2ms latency per mile... that is physical and can't be changed unless something faster than light happens.

PS. Of course any Lab test in the same location/build will give you less than 5ms latency with Fiber... so maybe MS is measuring that way.
 
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Stadia will work well for European city-dwellers as most countries have cheap internet, free from data-caps. In Sweden where I'm from, fibre is pretty common. With 5G, even rural areas will have access to low-latency connections.
Until I see 4G with full four bars in London Bridge area working decently (strong signal, crappy speed), I am not going to believe the insane cellular phone speeds hype again... :/...