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[Gamer79]

I have owned a ps5 for well over a year now. I have played a ton of games. With that said, there is only a very few amount of games that really push the hardware.

I will go a step further. IMO R&C a rift apart is the only true next gen game. Yes the new consoles offer advances over the old but very few games really push the hardware.

Its like the ps4 version of a game are medium settings while the ps5 version are really high. The only real difference being better frames, loading and lighting.

So as established many studios do not utilize all the potential of the standard ps5. You look at ratchet and clank or the matrix tech demo and see the possibly of the system. Then look at most modern games still gimped by ps4 ties. It's a night and day difference.

Let alone the fact one still simply can't walk into a store and buy a ps5/xsx off shelves or online most of the time. So what is the point releasing a pro version of these consoles in the near future?

 

[Luck]

I want ray tracing on high details everywhere in 60 fps. And games that look like Matrix demo in 60 fps, not 20-ish. Thats the point for me.

 

[Jennings]

We won't know the point until we get firm hardware specs and capabilities.

 

[Captain Toad]

To add a third graphical selection in all games

• Performance
• Resolution
• Why not both?

 

[TonyK]

4K 60fps.

 

[Skifi28]

I don't know, what's the point of something that doesn't exist yet?

 

[Kenneth Haight]

The point is to own the one with the most flops, so you can be a winner.

 

[anthony2690]

I need to stop logging in at weekends...

 

[reforen]

There is no point, TCL just assumed the specs according to previous gen, there is a chip outage worldwide, and also the supply for both consoles is not optimal

 

[jm89]

Well at this point playstation and xbox will be expecting each other to come out with a pro model, so neither will want to be caught with their pants down if one of them pulls the trigger.

 

[kyliethicc]

I have owned a ps5 for well over a year now. I have played a ton of games. With that said, there is only a very few amount of games that really push the hardware.

I will go a step further. IMO R&C a rift apart is the only true next gen game. Yes the new consoles offer advances over the old but very few games really push the hardware.

Its like the ps4 version of a game are medium settings while the ps5 version are really high. The only real difference being better frames, loading and lighting.

So as established many studios do not utilize all the potential of the standard ps5. You look at ratchet and clank or the matrix tech demo and see the possibly of the system. Then look at most modern games still gimped by ps4 ties. It's a night and day difference.

Let alone the fact one still simply can't walk into a store and buy a ps5/xsx off shelves or online most of the time. So what is the point releasing a pro version of these consoles in the near future?

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/digital-foundry-do-we-actually-need-a-ps5-pro.1637199/

 

[nominedomine]

More power...


...draw.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

Better Raytracing and Unreal Engine running in higher resolution than 1080P/30fps.

 

[Boss Mog]

It's like asking what's the point of PS6. Gamers always want more power. Some people change phones every 1-2 years so why not a new console every 3-4 years? It's not for everybody but plenty of gamers would buy it, myself included.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

RT and heavy focus on DLSS type of a technique

 

[Zuzu]

Better ray tracing, higher fidelity graphics settings, higher frame rates, higher resolution.

 

[22•22]

I just want a better looking PS5 (Slim and or upgraded no biggie) with an option to turn of all, or, individual DualSense options.

 

[nominedomine]

RT and heavy focus on DLSS type of a technique

That makes no sense, the regular consoles can already use FSR and that is close enough to DLSS (not to mention the fact that both work with AMD and wouldn't have DLSS regardless). Both consoles are pretty suited to render game as around 1440p and the use reconstruction to output a 4K image.

8K is beyond stupid so a PS5 Pro console should be focused on better framerate on games that support VRR and maybe higher quality settings. This opens the door for a PS5 Pro that could be just a slightly better version of the console not necessarily something that is drastically better. I would take a PS5 Pro that just has much higher CPU and GPU clocks, better than not getting one and it doesn't sabotage the PS6 and would hardly require much support from devs.

 

[ManaByte]

I want ray tracing on high details everywhere in 60 fps

You won’t get that on a $500 console. Hell even $3000 PCs struggle with that.

 

[ViolentP]

To further accustom console players to modularity. Consoles becoming more and more like PCs each day.

 

[Three]

I just want a better looking PS5 (Slim and or upgraded no biggie) with an option to turn of all, or, individual DualSense options.

Pretty sure you can do that already

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Current hardware can't even run cross gen games at 4k 60FPS.

MidGenRefresh is what you need, baby!

 

[Dacvak]

DF just released a great video on this exact question. I highly recommend checking it out.

 

[22•22]

Pretty sure you can do that already

Nice. I'll find out eventually

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Why do cars have a base model and a suped up version with a better engine?

 

[Mister Wolf]

Raytracing at higher resolutions and framerates.

 

[Banjo64]

Seeing as they’re both releasing games on PC now I’d say they should completely scrap any pro models and just release a Slim version of the tech allows.

 

[Crayon]

There's a market for them as luxuries. There is a ton of headroom on ps5 and I will happily rock mine for the next 7 years or whatever it ends up being. I don't need a pro and it it's like the PS4/pro I don't think the upgrade is really worth it as long as I still think the games look good. Pro model is clearly a splurge.

But there's market for exactly that sort of thing in of every type of product under the sun. There's always some people who will pony up for something bigger and badder. "Guess I'll have to get by with my 3080 for another six months".

 

[Knightime_X]

Pro is pointless.
Just wait until technology advances a bit more and just release the console due for next gen when its time.
For those who want a pro version just play on PC.
In the meantime, focus on console optimizations while keeping high performance key.

I absolutely HATE when games are shoehorned to just to barely get it to run.
Exhibit A: All 3rd party switch games

 

[Rea]

You probably won't see pro models this gen.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I have owned a ps5 for well over a year now. I have played a ton of games. With that said, there is only a very few amount of games that really push the hardware.

I will go a step further. IMO R&C a rift apart is the only true next gen game. Yes the new consoles offer advances over the old but very few games really push the hardware.

Its like the ps4 version of a game are medium settings while the ps5 version are really high. The only real difference being better frames, loading and lighting.

So as established many studios do not utilize all the potential of the standard ps5. You look at ratchet and clank or the matrix tech demo and see the possibly of the system. Then look at most modern games still gimped by ps4 ties. It's a night and day difference.

Let alone the fact one still simply can't walk into a store and buy a ps5/xsx off shelves or online most of the time. So what is the point releasing a pro version of these consoles in the near future?

Keep the price of the console high / avoid demand of cheaper models and try to keep people from looking too much into gaming PC’s.

Benefits for the users beside e-peen competition? Less and less and less… but you get to buy a new toy so .

 

[ReBurn]

What is the point of something that doesn't exist

this feels metaphysical or something

 

[rofif]

We dont even know what these consoles can do. No games so far.
And these re not underpowed cpus like last time.
IMO there is little to no sense for pro

 

[Borowski_1]

we won't see true next gen games until R* and ND release their next main games....in 2024 or 2025

 

[Lucifers Beard]

You're talking about systems as if they exist. They haven't even been announced and nobody is aware of their existence outside of a few loose rumours.

Anyway, what's the point? Money obviously. Enthusiasts will pay for them because they offer best in class for the price. In addition to this, whilst PS5 and Series X haven't really seen much in the way of 'next gen' games, if you're used to resolutions upwards of 1440p and framerates of 60+ fps then you may be in for a rude awakening when Unreal Engine 5 games start to show up. The Matrix demo (although un-optimised) struggled to hit 60fps 1440p on machines using an RTX 3090. This is hopefully an outlier but it could be that consoles don't hit 60fps in some UE5 games (especially open world games). A mid-gen refresh may be marketed in a way which makes this possible (unlikely as I can't imagine they will change CPU speeds drastically).

Speculation of course, but I think this is something for you to consider.

 

[killatopak]

PSVR2 and higher performance with RT.

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

Money...thats it. no reason to have a pro when a majority of the games still cross gen.

 

[Mahavastu]

I have owned a ps5 for well over a year now. I have played a ton of games. With that said, there is only a very few amount of games that really push the hardware.

I hope that will change soon...

Where the current gen Consoles have problems is ray tracing. In most games it is either so expensive that you only get 30fps and/or it is so cutted down that it makes not much sense...

There will also be PSVR2 with two high res resolution screens which need stable high frame rates. I would assume that the base PS5 might not be "fast enough" for the best experience and more performance would really helpful here, just like with the PS4 and the original PSVR.

 

[ParaSeoul]

None,this was all based on nonsense spouted by Moore's Law is Dead and TCL. Stop making threads about it

 

[nominedomine]

we won't see true next gen games until R* and ND announce their next main games....in 2024 or 2025

Now it looks believable.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Ps5 is the ugliest, most stupidly designed console of all time. Hoping the ps5 pro addresses this

 

[RoadHazard]

These consoles are doing well with cross-gen stuff (would be a disaster if that wasn't the case), but with stuff on the level of Matrix Awakening we're going back to 30fps being the norm. If I could get that but at 60fps I would gladly upgrade to a pro console.

(Yes, R&C and DeS look great, but they're far less complex.)

 

[Kerotan]

The UI is X10 faster in every regard. Load time's super fast, controller better. Cross Gen games run so much better. Sometimes the frame rate is doubled or even quadrupled. It's so obvious why we have gens.

There will be a lot more true next gen games like ratchet in a couple of year's. Why are they not all dumping last gen straight away? Because they don't want to go bankrupt.

 

[tommib]

The dream of playing the current Elden Ring PS5 Quality mode at full 60 fps.

BTW, that’s why devs should leave their frames uncapped, GAF! With hardware revisions, what once ran not ideal will be silky smooth in the future. Specially From games since that team never goes back for performance issues.

#LEAVETHEFRAMERATESUNCAPPED

 

[Swift_Star]

It's like asking what's the point of PS6. Gamers always want more power. Some people change phones every 1-2 years so why not a new console every 3-4 years? It's not for everybody but plenty of gamers would buy it, myself included.

I don’t want to spend money on new consoles every 4 year specially since they barely scratched the surface of what these systems have to offer rn. Pointless.

 

[JackSparr0w]

If you don't mind playing next gen games at 1080p then I guess you don't need midgen refresh.

 

[fran.fernandez]

I want 1440p at the 500 fps . I can’t understand people who can play at 240 fps

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Higher resolution, better RT.

Thar's about it.

But I don't think we will be seeing them anytime soon, and may not at all. The process node shrinks are not coming fast and supply chains are weak.

 

[PUNKem733]

Hey man what's the point of that $3,000 gaming PC? The $1,200 PC will play games just fine. What's the point? Absolute POWAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

 

[ChorizoPicozo]